No move means the player can't be waived or traded without his approval. No trade applies just to trades.
If the Bruins offer arbitration to 2 of their 3 RFA's they can use a secondary buyout window later in the summer (thanks Dom)The buyout window closes tomorrow, so if the Bruins intend on buying anyone out (cough*Seidenberg*cough) they'd have to be on waivers at noon today.
No, but that helps set the market for Krug at a lower price than I had previously thought.Seth Jones signs with CBJ 6yr/~$5.5M per. No longer poachable.
I'm confused. The biggest need the team has is a top pairing defenseman who can play defense, right? There is not one of those on the FA market? But there are a few RFA's, including this Trouba kid. He's not a stud, but he's a top pairing defense-first defenseman? And the cost is 4 first round picks? Haven't they made 6 first round selections over the past two years? Don't "we" think Sweeney is a bad draft-er? Do they have the cap space?No, but that helps set the market for Krug at a lower price than I had previously thought.
And just for reference, here's Kirk's take on the last 2 drafts:I'm confused. The biggest need the team has is a top pairing defenseman who can play defense, right? There is not one of those on the FA market? But there are a few RFA's, including this Trouba kid. He's not a stud, but he's a top pairing defense-first defenseman? And the cost is 4 first round picks? Haven't they made 6 first round selections over the past two years? Don't "we" think Sweeney is a bad draft-er? Do they have the cap space?
I defer to you (and cshea) because you obviously know way more about the game, and the team. But this seems... kinda simple to me. Sign Trouba, give up the 4 picks, lock up Krug and Marchand to extensions, and this team is back in Cup contention - right? Sweeney will just fuck up the first round picks anyway, right? I guess the risk is that some of the six guys he already drafted will not develop into the low-cost guys they'll need to fill out the roster while the expensive guys (Trouba, Krug, Marchand) play out their deals.
Can they get back to Cup contention without getting the top pairing defenseman? Does trading a core piece (Krejci?) for that defenseman make the team a Cup contender next season? Or does it shift the need from a top pairing defenseman to a first line center? Like I said, I'm confused. I'll hang up and listen.
It's been a mixed back, but they have some very exciting prospects out of the last 2 drafts. The first round is the reason they get lower marks, but they've done a really good job in the later rounds. They reached on 2 guys (Shenyshen/Frederic) in the first round and one of those reaches seems to be working out really well (Shenyshen).Quick thoughts: The McAvoy, Lindgren and Clarke picks all get A/B+ grades from me- they’re exactly the kinds of defenders the B’s can use and give the organization some solid options in the youth movement when you add some of their other recent picks and prospects into the mix. Some might not see McAvoy as a high-ender, but I think he’s in that kind of discussion, based on talks with several NHL scouts, who told me that they felt he would have blitzed the OHL this year and probably would have ended up as a top-10 pick if he had gone there.
The forwards don’t bring much in the way of offensive skill that gets you excited, and to Boston’s credit- they’re not trying to sell them as such. Gretzky said that the organization identified an issue with their size and toughness to play against at the center position and added two big pivots who could address that. It’s not likely both play, but you never know and Frederic, while not a popular pick at 29, could evolve into something more than he’s shown to date. We’re not going to definitively decide on that today, no matter how much of a reach you think he was, or whether you like what you see and want to put faith into Boston’s optimistic outlook. We just don’t know. Koppanen and Steen are depth additions who will likely make their countries’ World Jr. teams at some point in the next 1-2 years and we’ll see how they do.
Kyle Woodlief of Red Line Report was not all that charitable, saying that “The Bruins have had five first-round picks in the last two years and they haven’t made as much hay as they should have.”
Again, we shall see, but I can’t disagree with that view.
Contrast the second round, and the outlook is different: Brandon Carlo, Jakob Forsbacka-Karlsson, Jeremy Lauzon and Ryan Lindgren– those guys all look like players who will see NHL time. If not, they might bring enough interest to leverage some trade returns that help the club. And those are just from the second rounds from the past two seasons.
Overall- it’s hard to imagine Boston fans being overly excited about the 2016 draft, but they added a few soid players with one possible homerun in McAvoy. Sometimes it’s tough to swallow when the sexy names don’t come off the board where everyone thinks they should, but assembling winning teams doesn’t always simply amount to stockpiling the best talent- the team has to take players who represent the right fit and help them address key areas. I don’t know that guys like Frederic, Koppanen or Steen do that, but unless they have crystal ball- neither does anyone else.
First, thanks for the reply. I'm not a prospect guy, so a better team now is more interesting to me than prospects down the road. If Trouba fills a major need and they can count on picks-already-made to hopefully fill those low-cost 3rd and 4th line slots...why not pull the trigger and get Bergeron (et. al.) another chance a Cup? Worry about the next decade in the next decade. ;-)Trouba is not a stud... yet. He has a lot of potential and would help normalize the defense a bit (i.e. pushing one of Miller/Quader out of the top 4).
The biggest (and only?) strength of this front office right now is drafting, so giving up 4 first rounders would sting quite a bit, but the amount of draft picks they've made over the last 2 drafts can help alleviate that sting a bit. However, going potentially 4 drafts without the ability to draft first round talent could be one of those long lasting regrets that sets the franchise back 5-10 years down the road.
I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but the past 2 drafts have, generally, been a success.
Yeah, stop doing both of the bolded right now. This board is actually pretty good- even most of the reactionary twats have good knowledge of the team and the league. There are some good differences of opinion too, so it creates a nice place to form your own opinion.Lastly, I get my Bruins information from this forum, talk radio (I know, I know but it's given a weight in the low single digits), and the local papers - if @The Four Peters says it, I take it as gospel. .
Hey, I put that on a tee for @Myt1 but I doubt he could have crushed it in as few words as you did.Well there's your first mistake.
Word. I thought Fluto was worth it, but that's old media thinking on my part. I certainly don't give many of the local football writers at any of the big outlets any credence (except Reiss).Yeah, stop doing both of the bolded right now. This board is actually pretty good- even most of the reactionary twats have good knowledge of the team and the league. There are some good differences of opinion too, so it creates a nice place to form your own opinion.
Kirk for prospects, Bean is good, I like Joe MacDonald too, although that may not be the most popular opinion.
Only for restaurant reviews. And probably not really even then.I thought Fluto was worth it
Agreed, I think we are on the same page here.The prospect pool is certainly light years better now than it was 2 years ago, but there is still a good deal of uncertainty with the kids. I don't think that the current depth would justify moving the 4 picks.
I'll confirm. The reason Kessel got traded was because Burke reacquired Toronto's 2nd round pick in 2010. Had he signed Kessel to an offer sheet, the Bruins would have received Toronto's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks in 2010.(I'm fairly certain the Edmonton pick can't be included as compensation)
What a great way to weasel out of that "rumor" without saying he made it up. I gotta give him credit for creativity.By all means, tell us what you're hearing, Haggs - but reporting what Jimmy Murphy makes up or what bcbruin posts doesn't count.
Wouldn't the NHLPA have an issue with this type of "threat" when it comes to player compensation?
For the mobiles, Hagerty saying the other 29 GMs may have threatened Sweeney if he puts Trouba to an offer sheet. Hopefully, that's the end of that nonsense.
In his defense, Murphy made it up. Haggerty just piggybacked on it.What a great way to weasel out of that "rumor" without saying he made it up. I gotta give him credit for creativity.
That would be called "collusion" if that was actually true.
For the mobiles, Hagerty saying the other 29 GMs may have threatened Sweeney if he puts Trouba to an offer sheet. Hopefully, that's the end of that nonsense.
I actually like Demers, but yeah FA always get overpaid.Murphy is terrible, and Haggs is lazy. It's also Wednesday.
I would assume the price tag on Trouba is absurd, and I don't want Donny Boy to try to pay it. He should just not make trades for a while. Sit this one out, sign some reasonably priced FA and move forward with a rebuilding year. Let's see how these kids play, and continue to draft and develop. I am ok waiting if they actually follow that plan.
Instead, I could see them overpaying Demers or making some other "splashy" (to them, infuriating to us) FA deal and trying to win now while rebuilding.
If I were GM, I would explore a trade centered around Trouba and Krejci. Find a plan to plug the center hole, then try and make the deal. I think there is a potential deal to be had there that allows The Peg to continue to compete for the playoffs, and trade Trouba. I would be scared about what Donny Boy would make that trade look like, but wtf it's summer and I'm bored.
Edit - maybe Backes as a replacement? (I've started googling stuff to make this fake trade work).
Can those with more knowledge of the financial aspects tell me why this isn't collusion?
Any idea on money? I'm guessing around $5m per. Maybe they will get him around $4m?Aaron Ward says to expect Krug to agree to a 4 year deal in the next few days.
I'd be shocked if it was that low. The Vatanen extension seems about the perfect match.With the Jones and Vatanen extensions being what they are, I'd be shocked if it was over $5M AAV. My official guess is $4.25M.
That would be called "collusion" if that was actually true.
LeBrun: One GM has told me, 'If anyone offer-sheets one of my guys on Friday, I will offer-sheet one of his guys every year for 10 years.'