Carter Hart is taking an indefinite leave of absense from the Flyers.
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Canada 2018 WJC sexual assault investigation
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Him along with Dillon Dube a couple days ago is lending credence to the belief that something is gonna drop on the 2018 WJC team.
And there it is.
View: https://twitter.com/rwesthead/status/1750166274041057737?s=20
This may need its' own thread.
Yup...
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Breaking: Five members of the 2018 world junior hockey team have been told to surrender to London, Ont., police to face charges of sexual assault, The Globe and Mail reports, citing unnamed sources. The Globe reports the players, who have not been charged yet, have been given a set period of time to present themselves at London police headquarters. via
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Pretty easy Reddit search if you want to see who they think are the 5.
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For background my understanding, and I haven't fully been on top of the story, is a sexual assault of a women occured at a gala honoring the 2018 Canadian WJC team that won the gold.
Hockey Canada also covered this thing up and there has been significant fallout on that side since the incident though I don't know all specifics.
Awful story all around.
Hockey Canada also covered this thing up and there has been significant fallout on that side since the incident though I don't know all specifics.
Awful story all around.
IIRC it allegedly took place after the gala. The reports were: one member of the team met a Jane Doe at a bar. She got extremely inebriated, and he brought her back to his hotel room. They began to engage in sexual activity, and then he went and got 8 more members of the team, who all engaged in sexual assault of her while she was inebriated and was unable to give consent.
And Hockey Canada covered it up and it came out that the organization had a slush fund they had on hand to pay out and settle sexual assault cases.
It's really fucking gross.
And 30 minutes later it leaks that Utah is asking for the NHL to open expansion procedures for a team. The timing of this getting out can't be coincidental.
View: https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1750172980028518732?s=20
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What would the connection be? The sexual assault story gets buried in the news cycle by another possible expansion team?
Yeah, I mean 30 minutes after it's announced that 5 players from the 2018 WJC team have been asked to surrender to face sexual assault charges, another hockey bomb drops about expansion?
Maybe I'm being cyncial but I can't see that as a coincedence. Someone wanted it out there now.
Maybe I'm being cyncial but I can't see that as a coincedence. Someone wanted it out there now.
This may be the first of five names to be named as the accused.
View: https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1750184249922085150?s=46
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Dillon Dube and Carter Hart both took indefinite leaves the past few days so it would certainly seem that they are included with Formenton.
I think that's the implication, but without any corroborating info, I didn't want to speculate.
Briere's comments today certainly seem to corroborate that Hart's LOA is due to the investigation. Says the NHL has told teams to refer all questions regarding the investigation to them.
View: https://twitter.com/KKurzNHL/status/1750197724048138267?s=20
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Also, circling back, we should probably stop the speculation on Dillon Dube. He was part of the team, but the Flames statement regarding his leave is very different than Hart and Formenton's. Hart and Formenton are taking LOA for personal reasons. The statement the Flames put out states Dube's LOA is due to mental health issues and that is under the care of professionals.
View: https://twitter.com/NHLFlames/status/1749129798801346711?s=20
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If this is accurate, Canada should have to miss the next cycle of international competitions.
It's accurate. The victim filed a civil suit in 2022 that Hockey Canada settled and that triggered the closer look and the slush fund was made public.
More information on the entire story, both what happened in June of 2018 and the Hockey Canada cover up and fall out in this article from the Athletic.
https://twitter.com/RobsonDan/status/1550453950746398720?s=20
I read the Athletic story. The boys tried to get an 18 year old to go back to the hotel with them but she wisely declined. So they found someone else. It's a grim read. I wonder what prompted the London police to reopen the investigation.
Probably new evidence surfaced. I wonder if one of these kids was dumb enough to get it on tape.
Anyone know what the rules are for the teams regarding these guys? Does the CBA allow for you to just release a guy because they got arrested?
I'd really like for the Devils to dump both of these cretins.
I'd really like for the Devils to dump both of these cretins.
I agree with the sentiment - but this is going to be a terrible look for the Flames if he is one of the five, and Calgary couched this in a way to blame “mental health” and not “being a rapist.”
Must be this, from TSN:
"Lawyers for the players have said two videos filmed with a cellphone during and after the incident, as well as 35 text messages sent between the alleged victim and one of the players, are evidence that any contact between the woman and players was consensual.
The woman has denied that and said she has provided London police with an eight-page statement, five pages of photographs, and four-and-a-half pages of text messages."
It was due to public pressure once the civil lawsuit and settlement were made public. It got swept under the rung in 2018 and would've remained there if not for Rick Westhead's reporting. That article in 2022 triggered everything that's happened since.
The teams can terminate the contract, like what Chicago did with Corey Perry earlier this season. That would make the players FA's and the PA would likely file a grievance, like they did with Evander Kane's SJ termination and are likely to do with Perry's termination.
The LOA thing is a unique one, I'm not entirely sure what the short-term roster implications are. I think it will be treated similarly to the NHL/NHLPA Player Assistance Program. The players get paid, count against the cap, but could be placed on LTIR.
I'm guessing the teams wait in the short term to let the investigation/legal situation play out. I would assume if the players get arrested and charged, that gives the teams cause to terminate.
London Police are holding a press conference on Monday.
Edit: Actually 2 Monday's from now
View: https://twitter.com/lpsmediaoffice/status/1750253200232345703?s=20
Edit: Actually 2 Monday's from now
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Sure - but the team saying he’s leaving the team because of a “mental health issue” and not because “he’s under invitation for committing the gang rape of a young woman” is an excuse that is attempting to shift the narrative off of the players actions and instead onto something that millions of people actually suffer with who don’t gang rape young women. Just say “he’s taking a leave of absence” if you don’t want to get too specific.
And frankly? If he did what he’s accused of no one should give a single moments shit about his current mental health. Imagine what his victim has been living with for years.
“Mental health” is a real convenient excuse to suddenly not be playing hockey anymore when you find out you’re about to meet the consequences of your actions.
I’m sure if this indictment didn’t happen today, he still would have taken that same leave of absence. Not a coincidence at all.
I’m sure if this indictment didn’t happen today, he still would have taken that same leave of absence. Not a coincidence at all.
The ESPN article about the sexual assault investigation mentions Dube. The wording of it all is ambiguous and they do mention the mental health reason given by the Flames, but I suspect they know a little more than they are reporting.
I think it’s a place where the team should say as little as possible while following protocol. Did a PR guy (and executives who approved this) make a poor choice by adding the part about mental illness? Maybe so, or maybe protocol is that you give the reason presented by the player, no more, no less. We really don't know from our vantage point.
And as much as he’s allegedly perpetrated a horrible crime and deserves to be held accountable, a suicide would make everything much worse for everyone, including (and especially) the victim - so in the big picture, yes, his mental health still matters, if not for him for all those who would be impacted by his actions.
"Personal reasons" should be stated instead of "mental health," IMHO. Saying "mental health" is unfair (sorry, can't currently think of better word) to people with mental health issues who don't commit violent/sexual crimes against others.
Hockey Canada (and for that matter the soccer equivalent) have really had a bad few years. Deservedly so it seems. A lot of heads have rolled. No doubt many more to come.
Pretty much how I feel.
When I first saw the headlines I figured it was another hazing scandal, which confirms your point.
A mod can delete this since it is just a generalization, but hockey in Canada is different and worse than most other sports for extreme behavior around alcohol and sex. When I played college basketball in Canada the initiation stories for Junior hockey teams all involved some type of sexual assault, degradation, or worse. These kids are thrust into pro type schedules 70+ games a year, from the time they are 13-14 years old. Often they are celebrities on the small. medium sized communities. There has been major progress made, but I am still often shocked at some of what I hear, especially around the prevalence of alcohol. I am not saying alcohol is the worse than the sexual activity, it is just I hear first hand from people I know drinking is still a big part of Jr hockey. Some hockey parents I know favor playing n the NCAA over Jr hockey for these reasons.
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I have heard exactly the same sorts of stories. Decades worth of disturbing stuff, a real toxic environment. The hazing, the alcohol, the stuff that happens on the bus…
I hope no one sees fit to delete Reggie’s post, because even if it is a generalization, it’s the prevailing generalization…and it probably didn’t get conjured up out of nowhere.
I’m sure a whole lot of kids playing at the level just want to play, but when the bullshit takes over sometimes it’s hard to separate yourself from it.
Also, for what it’s worth, most of not all of Hockey Canada’s Board of Directors was removed and replaced after the London 2018 story came out in the first place - the people there now are the people who got brought in to do better, and I don’t think they’ve really had enough time yet - so calling for their heads seems a little misguided.
Also #2 - The Utah thing has been a pretty open secret for almost as long as Ryan Smith has owned the Utah Jazz, and the 2034 Olympic news just made the rumor hotter. The only question most people have now is whether it will be expansion, or Arizona relocation…
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The parents are a big part of this. When I was coaching minor midgets in Ontario about half the parents would travel with the team on the road and would be up all night drinking. One or more of the dads would supply cases of beer to each of the boys rooms. These kids were 16.
Flames say they had no knowledge of the pending charges when Dube asked for the leave.
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This is 1000000000% bullshit and it pisses me off that people will actually believe them. They would have obviously made the connection he was on that team, and they would absolutely investigate it. Even if they thought no charges would come to light, they still would absolutely spent a ton of money getting every detail they could. Same with the NHL, who probably kept in contact with every team that had a player on the WJC team, even before the public knew anything. Feigning ignorance in this day and age in this type of situation is horrific
Yeah it's either a bold face lie or your GM and hockey ops department should all be sacked.
People have been keeping tabs on everyone on that WJC team for years since this investigation got reopened. And similarly they have been keeping track of guys who made definitive statements that they were not involved and have nothing to do with this and guys who didn't. I sure as shit knew McLeod was someone who made no statement about this denying involvement (I believe he made a "I'm cooperating" statement in 2022) and I'm just a guy who roots for the team he's on.
For Dube's bosses to not know seems absolutely preposterous.
People have been keeping tabs on everyone on that WJC team for years since this investigation got reopened. And similarly they have been keeping track of guys who made definitive statements that they were not involved and have nothing to do with this and guys who didn't. I sure as shit knew McLeod was someone who made no statement about this denying involvement (I believe he made a "I'm cooperating" statement in 2022) and I'm just a guy who roots for the team he's on.
For Dube's bosses to not know seems absolutely preposterous.
This seems oddly confrontational. What do you think?
“We are aware of the situation, we will let the justice system run its course and refrain from commenting on the situation” for one seems easy to me
Kept the phrase "mental health" out of it and called it personal issues or anything else.
You tell us.
Crickets it is. Great job including the excrement contamination in the actual post!
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My sincere apologies. Bad, bad, very bad submission of an incomplete post. Honestly did not mean to post.
I was attempting to reply about how business responds to requests of employee leave due to mental health issues. I could not formulate a worthy post and thought I deleted.
My sincere apologies. Bad, bad, very bad submission of an incomplete post. Honestly did not mean to post.
I was attempting to reply about how business responds to requests of employee leave due to mental health issues. I could not formulate a worthy post and thought I deleted.
