Personal privacy? I don't know. But declining to comment is hardly evidence.Then why would they decline to comment?
Personal privacy? I don't know. But declining to comment is hardly evidence.Then why would they decline to comment?
Ime already said he wanted to get them some rest. Obviously it's better to do it when they are on the road so they don't have to travel. The next 3 are home, last 3 on the road. Why sit them on a road trip they are already going to have to take unless they sit them out for the last 3. Again, Ime says they can all play, yet everyone wants to ignore him and speculateTatum has said he is vaccinated. Browns statement is that he won’t comment, as it’s a personal choice. Between his statement, the fact that his first missed game in months happened to occur in Canada, the further fact that he only missed that game…leads to a possible suggestion that there may be an issue here.
Would be a very difficult burden if they draw Toronto and he can’t play, after the way this team has come together.
Is there a source for this? All I can find is that he said Big Al was going to be out for personal reasons and the J's wanted to get some rest. He never said they were all available.Ime said the other night that everyone can play in Canada if they had to for that game. I just did some quick research and it looks like a prior infection does not count, you either need 2 doses of Moderna and/or Pfizer or 1 of JJ(lol). Ime didn't leave, at least to me, much room for interpretation no matter how weirdly he said it. I'll believe him over a "no comment" or ESPN sources
It was one of the post-game interviews I believe. He was talking about guys being nicked up and they might need a game to rest, and this was before the TL injury. I think it was the same game JB was interviewed right after and said his knee was hurting, I think he was responding to a question about that, lemme see if I can find it when I get the chanceIs there a source for this? All I can find is that he said Big Al was going to be out for personal reasons and the J's wanted to get some rest. He never said they were all available.
https://www.audacy.com/weei/sports/celtics/espn-is-questioning-celtics-players-vaccination-status
Look, I'm hoping this is a nothingburger and they are all vaccinated. Part of me also wants to find out.
He’s a restricted free agent. If he goes anywhere it’s going to be via sign & trade.He’s going to get paid paid paid on potential and he still has a bunch of upside in that body & athleticism on top of a leap this year.
Yes, Offensively they're remarkably similar players in production. Schroder has also consistently been a 1 Darko offensive player for the better part of 400 games until recently. His chart is like a straight line. White's is shorter obviously and is also a 1.Right and Schroder had some big offensive games as well. I was referring to the comment about White clearly being the superior player. Schroder may be on the downside of his career (or maybe not I dunno) but they seem pretty similarly productive players in their prime.
+1... spot on JimboYes, Offensively they're remarkably similar players in production. Schroder has also consistently been a 1 Darko offensive player for the better part of 400 games until recently. His chart is like a straight line. White's is shorter obviously and is also a 1.
Defensively, the guys aren't in the same fucking zip code. One's a +1, and one's a -1. On a positive note, Schroeder's poor defense hasn't gotten any worse over the last 75 games or so that his offense tanked. But it's still awful.
If you believe that 15% of the players are great or crappy defenders and everyone else is the same so who cares, then yes, they're the same guy.
Side note, can we block Toucher and Rich references in the forum. Sweet mother of God.
Like the Hunter Renfroe approach too. Low cost, hit pretty well, throws great, does a lot of stuff terribly.+1... spot on Jimbo
I wouldn't be shocked if HRB's theory on defense is pretty pervasive across NBA intelligentsia. BUT disagree. There are many degrees/levels of defense, just like there are many degrees/levels of offense.
Brad is arbitraging that defensive mispricing at every turn
1. Smart contract
2. TT unloading
3. Kemba punt
4. Horford addition
5. TL contract
6. JRich signing, then extension
7. White trade
8. Theis trade
9. Not adding Forbes.
10. Not adding Mathews
11. Jabari exit
Even with Schroder on a dirt-cheap contract, he was punted as salary filler, which was kind of shocking (but made sense)
It most certainly is evidence. Not conclusive by any stretch, but any comment or in this case non comment can be used to paint a bigger picturePersonal privacy? I don't know. But declining to comment is hardly evidence.
Really like what PBS/IME are doing here, building around the JAYs, defense and ball movement. The next 3-4 seasons look extremely promising with only a few small tweaks/additions needed.Like the Hunter Renfroe approach too. Low cost, hit pretty well, throws great, does a lot of stuff terribly.
Sure you need power (31 bombs 112OPS+), and he had a lot of flashy assists. But he's a 2 WAR player, and he'll likely always be so, because he has a lot of weaknesses in his game.
Bloom underpaid for those 2 WAR and got something for him at the end. Brad should keep doing the same.
Don't get me wrong...the hoop def metrics are still a work in progress, to put it kindly. I get the skepticism.
We know more than this. NBA protocols have severe restrictions on unvaccinated players, including the requirement that unvax'd players "be given a locker that is as distant from other players as possible ": https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32301923/in-memo-teams-nba-crafts-protocols-requiring-unvaccinated-players-many-same-restrictions-rest-league.There is growing evidence that not all the Celtics are vaccinated. Toucher and Rich talked about this the other day, but misremembered that the mandate went into effect on January 15, not mid November.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33631986/facing-potential-playoff-games-toronto-boston-celtics-philadelphia-76ers-decline-say-teams-fully-vaccinated
And of course, we know that the J's and Big Al didn't play in Toronto the other night (TL didn't either, but that was after the injury and he has said be vaccinated). Tatum said at the beginning of the year that he was.
Horford, Pritchard, Kornet, Nesmith, Brown, Hauser, TL, Grant, Theis, Tatum. That's the most I can see:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy8zc84qSjQ
It's going to be a story until Toronto is eliminated...ESPN/Twitter feast on this
Just because the organization refuses to comment on players' vax status doesn't mean players themselves can't clarify things.It's going to be a story until Toronto is eliminated...ESPN/Twitter feast on this
a bummer that someone didn't feel the need to get the initial 2 vaxs
Can’t believe they pulled this without video.
It is actually not clear. The only thing clear is that team and most players are not going on record. The rest is assumption.It seems pretty clear that some of the guys are not vaxxed and would prefer to keep it that way but are willing to get the shot if it otherwise means missing playoff games.
everyone that was at the Toronto game is vaccinated. That leaves a handful of playersIt's also possible the entire team isn't vaccinated, but that the players who aren't vaccinated are Malik Fitts, Luke Kornet and other scrubs they added to fill the roster.
Per Canada’s guidelines, with the playoffs starting April 16 and if we had to play in Toronto that night(yeah I know almost def won’t happen), a player would need to have the shot to be fully vaccinated 14 days prior, so today. They can’t decide the day before to get the shotIt seems pretty clear that some of the guys are not vaxxed and would prefer to keep it that way but are willing to get the shot if it otherwise means missing playoff games.
Yes there are. One protocol involves placing the unvax'd locker away from other team members, which doesn't appear to be the case in the KG video.Wouldn't we know who is unvaccinated by now? Aren't there different protocols for unvaccinated players?
Everything points to this and to the media is being irresponsible in their reporting. They have access. They know the protocols. So instead of reporting on the particular protocols of said players they are running with……”Hey! Heavy usage players didn’t travel to Canada (in what was an obvious rest sport for heavy usage players) so we may be on to something here!”My guess is that everyone who matters is vaccinated, but team and players have decided not to comment.
Wouldn't the first 2 games be in Boston? They have a few more days.Per Canada’s guidelines, with the playoffs starting April 16 and if we had to play in Toronto that night(yeah I know almost def won’t happen), a player would need to have the shot to be fully vaccinated 14 days prior, so today. They can’t decide the day before to get the shot
I mean yeah, I was making the point on the crazy chance they flip flop, but even still it would need to happen soon. Either way, I'm still in the boat that I'm going to take the coach's and player's words and I believe everyone that counts is vaccinated, not the media and people here wanting to speculate. I get the media buying into the narrative, I'm surprised how many on this board areWouldn't the first 2 games be in Boston? They have a few more days.
Hear hear.Everything points to this and to the media is being irresponsible in their reporting. They have access. They know the protocols. So instead of reporting on the particular protocols of said players they are running with……”Hey! Heavy usage players didn’t travel to Canada (in what was an obvious rest sport for heavy usage players) so we may be on to something here!”
Complete Utter BS
I'm routinely surprised at how many on this board (not just in MBPC) post "I just heard <insert dumbass radio host name here> say on their radio show..." Sometimes it's even "someone just said on <show X>...", like we're seriously getting inside information from a talk show caller.I mean yeah, I was making the point on the crazy chance they flip flop, but even still it would need to happen soon. Either way, I'm still in the boat that I'm going to take the coach's and player's words and I believe everyone that counts is vaccinated, not the media and people here wanting to speculate. I get the media buying into the narrative, I'm surprised how many on this board are
who and how many are speculating around here?I mean yeah, I was making the point on the crazy chance they flip flop, but even still it would need to happen soon. Either way, I'm still in the boat that I'm going to take the coach's and player's words and I believe everyone that counts is vaccinated, not the media and people here wanting to speculate. I get the media buying into the narrative, I'm surprised how many on this board are
The team has, indeed, gone out of its way to not say that players are 100% vaccinated. I just think people are being too quick to assume the worst. Ime has walked up to the line of saying everyone is all set without saying it.I mostly see people trying to parse the language from Brad/IME pressers/interviews. The team has gone out of its way to NOT say "players are 100% vaccinated" as other teams have. Someone brought up a good point that Jaylen's role in the Players Union could be a reason for that, but who knows?
The team has certainly gone out of its way to not answer the question directly at all, and gone out of its way to say why: CBA and HIPAA being the leaders in the clubhouse.The team has, indeed, gone out of its way to not say that players are 100% vaccinated. I just think people are being too quick to assume the worst. Ime has walked up to the line of saying everyone is all set without saying it.
HIPAA doesn't apply. The CBA might, but would need to see the language in thereThe team has certainly gone out of its way to not answer the question directly at all, and gone out of its way to say why: CBA and HIPAA being the leaders in the clubhouse.
Ccould substantiate that definitive claim?HIPAA doesn't apply. The CBA might, but would need to see the language in there
Not sure I get this. Are you stating the team is choosing not to disclose when they could be?I think it pretty clearly reflects a choice rather than a requirement.
I may be wrong, but it appears to me the C's adopted a policy early in the pandemic that they would not publicly discuss the vaccination status of players, and they've stuck to that.Ccould substantiate that definitive claim?
Brad specifically referred to the CBA during his T&R interview, though I admit to not seeing anything definitive.
I’m not a lawyer but at least tangentially aware of HIPAA requirements and believe the team disclosing health related status about a specific player would be on the wrong side of that line.
Not sure I get this. Are you stating the team is choosing not to disclose when they could be?
I think that's exactly what's going on. Players, specifically Jaylen, have chosen not to disclose or talk to the media about the vaccine because they believe it is a personal choice, and the front office has agreed to respect their wishes. That's been gone over several times in this thread.Ccould substantiate that definitive claim?
Brad specifically referred to the CBA during his T&R interview, though I admit to not seeing anything definitive.
I’m not a lawyer but at least tangentially aware of HIPAA requirements and believe the team disclosing health related status about a specific player would be on the wrong side of that line.
Not sure I get this. Are you stating the team is choosing not to disclose when they could be?
MIA and MIL have disclosed that all team members are vaccinated so that apparently isn't a HIPAA violation. OTOH, it would be harder for a team to say that "almost all" of their members aren't vaccinated as once a team says that it isn't 100% vaccinated, there will be a media hunt for the unvax'd person(s).Not sure I get this. Are you stating the team is choosing not to disclose when they could be?
JFC.Not sure I get this. Are you stating the team is choosing not to disclose when they could be?
I am, and there is no HIPAA issue here. I have not reviewed the CBA but given that 1) teams regularly speak about their players injury status and availability and 2) other teams have directly answered the vaccination question, I would be surprised if it expressly prohibits a team from commenting.Ccould substantiate that definitive claim?
Brad specifically referred to the CBA during his T&R interview, though I admit to not seeing anything definitive.
I’m not a lawyer but at least tangentially aware of HIPAA requirements and believe the team disclosing health related status about a specific player would be on the wrong side of that line.
Not sure I get this. Are you stating the team is choosing not to disclose when they could be?
Ime's answer here is a little clunky, but to me he unequivocally says that everyone would be available to play in Toronto in a playoff series. To me it seems like he almost says "everyone is vaccinated" in his statement before remembering the team policy and choosing the word "available" instead. If it turns out someone isn't vaccinated and thus cannot participate, Ime will deserve blowback for essentially lying with his answer here.View: https://twitter.com/StoolGreenie/status/1508836987528228876
End of the video. Seems like he’s pretty clearly saying everyone can play in Toronto if they meet in the playoffs.
Given that the voice asking these questions is Tim McMahon, who works for ESPN, it’s pretty shocking that ESPN continues to report on this as if it’s a question (both by Windhorst and tonight by Breen on the broadcast)