Part of me hopes they uncover some secret contract adjustment that heavily decreases Nink's salary the first four games that predates the drug test. Would be my favorite Belicheat.This actually works out great - he was likely going to miss those games anyway, but now the Pats will get a roster exemption while he is suspended.
So I am guessing the Pats win the SB, Nink retires and gets a cushy commentator job where his past "transgressions" are never mentioned.Should have used Antler Spray, no stigma with that.
Honestly, I thought the original injury was a pretty good indication of PED use.I thought he was recovering a little quickly from that triceps...
You're assuming you can take these guys' statements about what they got busted for at face value.So I'm obviously not a professional football player, but I do know that a lot of these workout products, whether it be pre workout, post workout, whatever, have "proprietary blends" of ingredients where they don't explicitly list everything in there.
If my livelihood literally depended on making sure I did not put a banned substance into my body, I would avoid anything that wasn't 100% certified and guaranteed not to trigger a suspension. It's that simple. They have a full time training staff. It literally takes 1 minute to say, "hey do you think it's cool if I take this? It doesn't contain any banned substances, right?" It's literally their job to know that. Instead, players go to GNC and get whatever powder is new.
Not just speaking about Ninkovich, but any player. I believe Lane Johnson of the Eagles is facing another suspension for a banned substance that he claims he took from an over the counter product. Reshad Jones sat 4 games for Miami for the same thing.
Or otc supplements is a convenient alibi to save face with public.So I'm obviously not a professional football player, but I do know that a lot of these workout products, whether it be pre workout, post workout, whatever, have "proprietary blends" of ingredients where they don't explicitly list everything in there.
If my livelihood literally depended on making sure I did not put a banned substance into my body, I would avoid anything that wasn't 100% certified and guaranteed not to trigger a suspension. It's that simple. They have a full time training staff. It literally takes 1 minute to say, "hey do you think it's cool if I take this? It doesn't contain any banned substances, right?" It's literally their job to know that. Instead, players go to GNC and get whatever powder is new.
Not just speaking about Ninkovich, but any player. I believe Lane Johnson of the Eagles is facing another suspension for a banned substance that he claims he took from an over the counter product. Reshad Jones sat 4 games for Miami for the same thing.
If these guys were geniuses they wouldn't be earning millions of dollars.So I'm obviously not a professional football player, but I do know that a lot of these workout products, whether it be pre workout, post workout, whatever, have "proprietary blends" of ingredients where they don't explicitly list everything in there.
If my livelihood literally depended on making sure I did not put a banned substance into my body, I would avoid anything that wasn't 100% certified and guaranteed not to trigger a suspension. It's that simple. They have a full time training staff. It literally takes 1 minute to say, "hey do you think it's cool if I take this? It doesn't contain any banned substances, right?" It's literally their job to know that. Instead, players go to GNC and get whatever powder is new.
Not just speaking about Ninkovich, but any player. I believe Lane Johnson of the Eagles is facing another suspension for a banned substance that he claims he took from an over the counter product. Reshad Jones sat 4 games for Miami for the same thing.
How so?Honestly, I thought the original injury was a pretty good indication of PED use.
What do you think the usage rate in the NFL is? If it's upwards of 50%, and only a few people are getting popped per year, it's not a bad risk to take for people with injuries.Dumbass. When will these guys learn?
Or at the very least I'd love to see a player take a small amount of whatever supplements they are taking and send them to a 3rd party to be held. It's probably not reasonable to have everything you take tested before you ingest it, but for a guy dealing with what Ninkovich is saying he is dealing with wouldn't it be a great safety net to grab those samples now and get them tested. The league probably wouldn't care, but for peace of mind and PR purposes it doesn't seem like a terribly hard thing to do.So I'm obviously not a professional football player, but I do know that a lot of these workout products, whether it be pre workout, post workout, whatever, have "proprietary blends" of ingredients where they don't explicitly list everything in there.
If my livelihood literally depended on making sure I did not put a banned substance into my body, I would avoid anything that wasn't 100% certified and guaranteed not to trigger a suspension. It's that simple. They have a full time training staff. It literally takes 1 minute to say, "hey do you think it's cool if I take this? It doesn't contain any banned substances, right?" It's literally their job to know that. Instead, players go to GNC and get whatever powder is new.
Not just speaking about Ninkovich, but any player. I believe Lane Johnson of the Eagles is facing another suspension for a banned substance that he claims he took from an over the counter product. Reshad Jones sat 4 games for Miami for the same thing.
Since they almost never get caught, it's actually pretty smart to use. I guess you could call him a dumbass for being one of the few who got caught.Dumbass. When will these guys learn?
The NFL never actually releases what they got caught for - that's why we get all these 'tainted supplement' and 'adderall' cases. It's a lot more PR savvy to say "Oh, over the counter supplement with some undisclosed ingredient" rather than "Yeah, I do steroids"You're assuming you can take these guys' statements about what they got busted for at face value.
According to the report the positive test was from a test administered over the summer, before the triceps injury.I thought he was recovering a little quickly from that triceps...
Upwards of 50%. You're adorable. It's 100%. Your favorite player? Juices. Your boyhood hero? Juices.What do you think the usage rate in the NFL is? If it's upwards of 50%, and only a few people are getting popped per year, it's not a bad risk to take for people with injuries.
According to Wikipedia, there were 54 people suspended in the 2015 calendar year. I'm not going to go through and sort out the PED suspensions, but a lot of those were marijuana and non-PED related suspensions.
YOU TAKE THAT BACK! Except for the part about me being adorable. That can stay.Upwards of 50%. You're adorable. It's 100%. Your favorite player? Juices. Your boyhood hero? Juices.
Just seems that triceps and pectoral tears/injuries happen a lot in the NFL. No quantitative data but if you buy into KFPs suspicions about PED use in the NFL I think there may be a relationship.How so?
I thought biceps and pec tears were more indicative of steroid use. I hadn't heard of triceps tears being related, but that doesn't mean much.Just seems that triceps and pectoral tears/injuries happen a lot in the NFL. No quantitative data but if you buy into KFPs suspicions about PED use in the NFL I think there may be a relationship.
I'd say 99%, because there's always the adorable little guy in every room that naively thinks no one else is cheating either.Upwards of 50%. You're adorable. It's 100%. Your favorite player? Juices. Your boyhood hero? Juices.
Likely a few kickers that don't bother!I'd say 99%, because there's always the adorable little guy in every room that naively thinks no one else is cheating either.
We've been through this argument before, and I don't think it is near 100%. I think, statistically, the odds of anything being close to100% is pretty low. I think a large majority of guys have done something. Personally, I would gauge it at 75%. Even if that is adorable.I'd say 99%, because there's always the adorable little guy in every room that naively thinks no one else is cheating either.
I'm the adorable one around here, asshole.We've been through this argument before, and I don't think it is near 100%. I think, statistically, the odds of anything being close to100% is pretty low. I think a large majority of guys have done something. Personally, I would gauge it at 75%. Even if that is adorable.
And Brady is totally clean. And hugely FUCKING adorable.
Belichick taking advantage of loopholes in the rule book again.This actually works out great - he was likely going to miss those games anyway, but now the Pats will get a roster exemption while he is suspended.
100 fucking percent. Every player on every team - including kickers and punters and "scrappy little white guys." They are all taking some mixture of PEDs, amphetamines, inappropriate prescription drugs et al. The league testing procedure is a sham. These guys establish a baseline and then can't exceed 400% of the baseline. 400%. Think about that for a minute....that is "Military experiment that we would be outraged about" level. And the Lane Johnson, Rob Ninkovich's of the world want to convince you that they are failing tests due to multivitamins.What do you think the usage rate in the NFL is?
Huh? The odds of 100% of people in an office building breathing are pretty good. The odds of 100% of a pro basketball team being over 6' tall are pretty good. But based on no analysis, you feel that this particular statistic is 75%, which is not near 100%.We've been through this argument before, and I don't think it is near 100%. I think, statistically, the odds of anything being close to100% is pretty low. I think a large majority of guys have done something. Personally, I would gauge it at 75%.
Nope. Remember, the difference between kicking the ball two yards deep into the end zone and through the back of the end zone is a good chunk of money.Likely a few kickers that don't bother!
Yes, we were the first state to put in a steroid testing policy nearly 10 years ago. It is random and it covers football, wrestling, ice hockey, softball and a few other sports. Not a huge number of tests are administered in a year due to funding issues, and of course, steroids are not the supplement du jour (although still surprisingly common and available apparently. My son was offered some earlier this summer when playing pick up basketball). It is basically us and a handful of other states addressing this.Is there PED testing at the HS level in Jersey? Is this common place at that level? I've never heard of it but am not plugged in to HS sports at all.
I'm sorry, but that is 100% bullshit and it's hard to believe anyone could take that at face value. The odds that he didn't know about NSF certification are zero. Just admit it and move on."One thing I have learned is that if a supplement is not NSF certified there are no regulations that ensure that what is on the label is 100 percent accurate. That is a hard lesson for me to learn at this stage in my career, but I take responsibility for it. It's a mistake I made and it hurts that I won't be there for my teammates."
Your analysis is as good as mine was.Huh? The odds of 100% of people in an office building breathing are pretty good. The odds of 100% of a pro basketball team being over 6' tall are pretty good. But based on no analysis, you feel that this particular statistic is 75%, which is not near 100%.
Based on multiple conversations with college and pro players, trainers and people involved in their care, the huge growth rate in player sizes over the last 30 years, the types of injuries commonly seen, the definition of what a failure to comply is, and the psychological troubles seen in current and former players, I am pretty comfortable with 100%.
When Canseco came out about steroids in baseball he was mocked. Now?
I wanted to save this for posterity in case anyone ever thought you were not a complete and utter idiot.Your analysis is as good as mine was.
So, based on your multiple conversations (otherwise known as anecdotal evidence), the increase in growth in players over 3 decades (which has nothing to do with weight training gains, nutritional gains, year-round training focuses, team regimented year-round activiites, etc), your comfortable that 100% of NFL players are using PEDs.
Great. Neither is provable. I disagree with you. And your "100% of people breathe" example is so stupid it isn't even worth discussing.
Congrats on not having Sam Bradford as your Quarterback -- we can probably agree that is a good thing.
This response has become the template for all of these idiots. Name the supplement so that the company can take you to court and destroy you.From Ninkovich statement:
I'm sorry, but that is 100% bullshit and it's hard to believe anyone could take that at face value. The odds that he didn't know about NSF certification are zero. Just admit it and move on.
Leave this shit out from now on. He addressed your post, you are expected to do the same.I wanted to save this for posterity in case anyone ever thought you were not a complete and utter idiot.