Claude F**king Julien

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Every once in a while I run across and old file from 2011 on my laptop (now in my dropbox) titled Claude. In it I laid out a longish (~700 words) logical case for firing Claude Julien that I was going to post on here. I wrote this after that fucking Habs series in which he was completely out coached. Given what happened over the next 6 weeks, I thought maybe I'd keep it to myself.

That man has more wins than anyone for the oldest American franchise in hockey.

Cheers Claude.

 

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I never ever ever EVER expected him to become the franchise leader in coaching wins. NEVER.

When he was hired I was just relieved he wasn't Dave Lewis. Keep those bars low and you'll never be disappointed!
 

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How many times has Claude been "fired" over the years?

I would assume he likely would have been gone had the Bruins lost to the Canadiens in that opening round series. And we know he was very close to losing his job last year. It was definitely a positive that Neely and Sweeney changed their mind on Julien after their end of season meetings with the coaches and players.

Hockey coaches seldom leave on their own terms, and Julien is not immune to the realities of coaching life in the NHL. But at least he'll always have this milestone in his list of accomplishments.
 

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Glad Neely and Sweeney kept him. He has done a great job this year with this group, defenseman notwithstanding.
 

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They lose 6 of the next 8 and fall out of the playoff picture, this thread will be revived with the title not being ironic.
Meh, he still accomplished something pretty damn remarkable that deserves recognition and praise. And his coaching job this year, up to this point, has been very good considering the backbone of his most successful teams skates like he is stuck in molasses.

And amount of times we've fired him:
After Carolina series (2009)
After Philly series (2010)
After Caps series (2012)
After Habs series (2013)
After last season (2014)

Not sure if I'm missing any in there but there's a common thread of firing him after the B's get knocked out of the playoffs.
 

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Barring an epic collapse, I think this season is his most impressive coaching performance with the Bruins, regardless of what they do in the playoffs.

This is the least talented team they've had overall since his first season and they're fighting for the #2 seed in the east. I think he's done a great job adjusting to a team that is a lot more talented offensively than defensively. It's amazing how well he has the defensemen playing, there's really not a lot of talent in that group.
 

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Meh, he still accomplished something pretty damn remarkable that deserves recognition and praise. And his coaching job this year, up to this point, has been very good considering the backbone of his most successful teams skates like he is stuck in molasses.

And amount of times we've fired him:
After Carolina series (2009)
After Philly series (2010)
After Caps series (2012)
After Habs series (2013)
After last season (2014)

Not sure if I'm missing any in there but there's a common thread of firing him after the B's get knocked out of the playoffs.
Don't forget before game 7 against Montreal in 2011, when the local sports idiot media had backed up the trucks and were calling for a purging of the organization
 

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Don't forget before game 7 against Montreal in 2011, when the local sports idiot media had backed up the trucks and were calling for a purging of the organization
I never agree with the local media, but I was right there; Claude was awful that series. I think losing that series was a fireable offense, given their collapse the year before and Claude's spotty record w/r/t the postseason. Wanted a change in leadership given the talent on the team would have made sense. Thank god they won that game.
 

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Barring an epic collapse, I think this season is his most impressive coaching performance with the Bruins, regardless of what they do in the playoffs.

This is the least talented team they've had overall since his first season and they're fighting for the #2 seed in the east. I think he's done a great job adjusting to a team that is a lot more talented offensively than defensively. It's amazing how well he has the defensemen playing, there's really not a lot of talent in that group.
The coaching job that first year was amazing. That team may have been my favorite team to watch during this recent run. No expectations at all for them and they busted their asses night after night.

Lucic - Savard - Murray
Sturm - Krejci - Kessel
Schaefer - Sobotka - Kobasew
Axelsson - Metropolit - Thornton

Chara - Ward
Stuart - Wideman
Ference - Hnidy

Thomas
Auld

They lost Bergeron 10 games in. Muzz was a corpse all year. I have no idea how they made the playoffs with that group. 4 rookies- Lucic, Krejci, Sobotka and Stuart, and it was also Kessel's second year. The "Julien hates kids" argument is so out of touch with reality. All of those guys there are still playing in the NHL, with the exception of Sobotka who fled to the KHL. It's just a few examples, but the guy knows how to develop young players. The narrative (*cough* Felger *cough*) that he's all about vets is tiresome.
 

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Wasn't part of that narrative that he kept Kessel in the press box for the first two games of the Montreal series that year?

Agreed on all the rest. That series against the Canadiens was just tremendously entertaining. They fought like hell.
 

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Wasn't part of that narrative that he kept Kessel in the press box for the first two games of the Montreal series that year?.
Kessel played game 1, a loss, and then was scratched for games 2,3,4, getting back in with the Bruins facing elimination in game 5. He and they played well in games 5 and 6, winning both and taking it to a 7th, where they were shut out.
 

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I think people are forgetting just how little he had to work with come the first round of the 2010 playoffs. I'm pretty sure Bergeron was centering a top line of Michael Ryder and Miro Satan. And as has been pointed out tons over the years, Trent Whitfield saw ice time in those playoffs. That they were 1 win away from a very flawed Canadiens team in the Eastern Conference Finals should've won him the Jack Adams then and there.
 

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I think people are forgetting just how little he had to work with come the first round of the 2010 playoffs. I'm pretty sure Bergeron was centering a top line of Michael Ryder and Miro Satan. And as has been pointed out tons over the years, Trent Whitfield saw ice time in those playoffs. That they were 1 win away from a very flawed Canadiens team in the Eastern Conference Finals should've won him the Jack Adams then and there.
They had a preseason lineup in that game 7 against the Flyers. Look at the time on ice for guys like Trent Whitfield in that game. Amazing that they built a lead in the first place.
 

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They had a preseason lineup in that game 7 against the Flyers. Look at the time on ice for guys like Trent Whitfield in that game. Amazing that they built a lead in the first place.
Ehhhhh, let's not push it too far. They had a 3-0 series lead and a 3-0 lead in Game 7, it was a big stain on his and their record that they blew it. That was terrible.

It was of course a huge credit to all of them that they were able to come back the next season and win the whole thing, after that goddamn debacle.
 

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Ehhhhh, let's not push it too far. They had a 3-0 series lead and a 3-0 lead in Game 7, it was a big stain on his and their record that they blew it. That was terrible.

It was of course a huge credit to all of them that they were able to come back the next season and win the whole thing, after that goddamn debacle.
I know and I was as pissed off as anyone at the time, but looking back they really had no business in that series with that roster. With or without Krejci. I think the Bruins 3-0 lead in that series had a lot to do with that Flyers team. They woke up in game 4 and were able to stay on "dry island" for a week.
 

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The coaching job that first year was amazing. That team may have been my favorite team to watch during this recent run. No expectations at all for them and they busted their asses night after night.

Lucic - Savard - Murray
Sturm - Krejci - Kessel
Schaefer - Sobotka - Kobasew
Axelsson - Metropolit - Thornton

Chara - Ward
Stuart - Wideman
Ference - Hnidy

Thomas
Auld

They lost Bergeron 10 games in. Muzz was a corpse all year. I have no idea how they made the playoffs with that group. 4 rookies- Lucic, Krejci, Sobotka and Stuart, and it was also Kessel's second year. The "Julien hates kids" argument is so out of touch with reality. All of those guys there are still playing in the NHL, with the exception of Sobotka who fled to the KHL. It's just a few examples, but the guy knows how to develop young players. The narrative (*cough* Felger *cough*) that he's all about vets is tiresome.

Wow, that lineup, in retrospect, really was a shit sandwich. And Thomas was still in his streaky era. Some weeks he'd be unbeatable, other a sieve. Who was the second best defenseman on that team? Stuart? Ference? They're all pretty crap besides Chara in his prime, as much as I admired the determination of Stuart (remember how they kept telling us he was going to be the next captain?), the scrappiness of Ference, and the tripping over the blue line level of co-ordination Wideman had. And besides maybe Axelsson because of his penalty killing, that bottom six is just terrible. Also, I forgot how long I waited for Sturm to not develop into anything. He was fun to watch skate though.

Oh, and it's been a lot of years since most of those guys have been in the league. Only Lucic, Krejci, Kessel, Thornton, The decently animated corpse of Chara, Stuart, Wideman played regularly in the NHL this season, and Ference only played 6 games this year and said he was going to retire. So that is only about 35% of them still playing, not "all of these guys" as you stated. It's been a few years out of the league for most of them. Out of the young, developing player group,four are still playing in the NHL (Lucic, Krejci, Kessel, Stuart), and only one plays for the Bruins. I wouldn't call that an awesome development record.
 

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Wow, that lineup, in retrospect, really was a shit sandwich. And Thomas was still in his streaky era. Some weeks he'd be unbeatable, other a sieve. Who was the second best defenseman on that team? Stuart? Ference? They're all pretty crap besides Chara in his prime, as much as I admired the determination of Stuart (remember how they kept telling us he was going to be the next captain?), the scrappiness of Ference, and the tripping over the blue line level of co-ordination Wideman had. And besides maybe Axelsson because of his penalty killing, that bottom six is just terrible. Also, I forgot how long I waited for Sturm to not develop into anything. He was fun to watch skate though.

Oh, and it's been a lot of years since most of those guys have been in the league. Only Lucic, Krejci, Kessel, Thornton, The decently animated corpse of Chara, Stuart, Wideman played regularly in the NHL this season, and Ference only played 6 games this year and said he was going to retire. So that is only about 35% of them still playing, not "all of these guys" as you stated. It's been a few years out of the league for most of them. Out of the young, developing player group,four are still playing in the NHL (Lucic, Krejci, Kessel, Stuart), and only one plays for the Bruins. I wouldn't call that an awesome development record.
Why don't you give us some context and tell us what % of players on good teams that year are still playing 8 years later? The Penguins won the cup and their % is about 35 and I'll even allow Max Talbot and Tyler Kennedy. The Blackhawks have a similar % and they didn't make the playoffs that year. Do you think most NHL players play 8 years?
 

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Why don't you give us some context and tell us what % of players on good teams that year are still playing 8 years later? The Penguins won the cup and their % is about 35 and I'll even allow Max Talbot and Tyler Kennedy. The Blackhawks have a similar % and they didn't make the playoffs that year. Do you think most NHL players play 8 years?
I wouldn't expect it would be very high after 8 years. I doubt the average length of a player career is longer than 5-6 years, and the bottom half of the roster players even shorter. It was Cshea's assertion that they were all still in the league I refuted. Although now I see he was referring simply to that group of young guys. And only one of that group still playing for us is true in either case. I had just forgotten how weak that lineup was overall.