DeSean Jackson is De Peau Rouge: $24m/3yr. with $16m guaranteed
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Sorry, I meant to say if Bill was willing to give up a third last season for Emmanuel Sanders why wouldn't he be interested in a third for Desean?
It's the draft pick plus the cap hit for the player that will be prohibitive.Dewey said:
Edit: from CSNPhilly
You could get him on the cap this year for under $5MM pretty easily, he makes $10.5MM convert $9.5MM or w/e to signing bonus. '15 and '16 become a challenge. This would be a bit of a GFIN move.
Not sure its the best use of resources, but would be a really fun complementary piece for the offense.
Not sure its the best use of resources, but would be a really fun complementary piece for the offense.
This would help.
@patscap: With these Amendola trade rumors, note that the burden of the $2m salary guarantee goes to his new team. Does not count against Pats cap.
@patscap: With these Amendola trade rumors, note that the burden of the $2m salary guarantee goes to his new team. Does not count against Pats cap.
E5 Yaz said:
There are no trade rumors other than bunch of people twitting Chris Price, Doug Kyed, et al about trading Amendola + pick for DJ.
Yes, that's what makes it potentially feasible, but even with the cap going up Im not sure its an ideal use of resources to have DeSean Jackson on there at $12-$13MM and not sure he profiles as a guy that you'd want to give a long extension to into his 30's to defray that.
RedOctober3829 said:
It would be as crazy as thinking you could get Randy Moss for a fourth round pick!
Oh, and breaking out...
Don't forget the contract you're trading for and all the other things besides WR they need more.Sille Skrub said:
You can't structure a contract in a way that Cleveland and their $31m in cap room can't match.E5 Yaz said:
It is either Oakland or stay for Mack, and the Raiders are not paying.
Reiss weighs in. He calls it due dilligence and a longshot.
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4760439/desean-jackson-the-patriots
Longshot and a huge cap hit, but you can't deny he'll have a huge impact on the Pats offense. Per PFF, top WR on deep passes in 2013.
Notice the zero drop rate as well as the highest target % (aka # of deep passes per target):
Notice the zero drop rate as well as the highest target % (aka # of deep passes per target):
As a former Philly resident, I'd just say that if DeSean comes to Boston everyone living there needs to lock up their wives, girlfriends and daughters. Guy is a mini-Wilt.
I don't really understand this stuff.
It started as basically completely unconfirmed media speculation, from some bloggers etc actually, and now because the EAgles won't deny it then he's on the block?
It's a bit weird.
How exactly are the Eagles going to get better by losing a top WR for a 3rd round pick and eating more than half his cap hit as dead space.
The eagles look like the best team in the division right now, with cap space left and a draft to help upgrade depth and defence.
I think this is a all a bit mad. For a 3rd? So you can go to war with Maclin on a one year deal off an ACL and Cooper he of the one half season of production?
Put me in the believe it when I see it camp.
It started as basically completely unconfirmed media speculation, from some bloggers etc actually, and now because the EAgles won't deny it then he's on the block?
It's a bit weird.
How exactly are the Eagles going to get better by losing a top WR for a 3rd round pick and eating more than half his cap hit as dead space.
The eagles look like the best team in the division right now, with cap space left and a draft to help upgrade depth and defence.
I think this is a all a bit mad. For a 3rd? So you can go to war with Maclin on a one year deal off an ACL and Cooper he of the one half season of production?
Put me in the believe it when I see it camp.
Conflicting NFL report. Eagles haven't denied it, but Kelly has called Jackson "not to worry" about it: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000335296/article/kelly-told-djax-not-to-worry-about-trade-talk-per-report?campaign=Twitter_atl
So Jackson is %100 on the market.
So Jackson is %100 on the market.
Only they REALLY can't fit him under the cap without some very creative accounting.E5 Yaz said:
Carolina's already restructured three contracts for this year. The awful RB contracts are destroying the cap - they basically can't do any more creative accounting until next season so I don't see them getting DeSean.
In the same camp, but in fairness:LondonSox said:
1. Schefter, who has been hotter this FA period than Carlos Beltran in the playoffs, went with the story Monday
2. The very next day, there is an article by an Eagle beat writer to the same effect, but with more detail
So while this may be shit stirring, the inescapable conclusion is that an Eagle insider is doing it.
The beat writer in question (Jimmy I assume?) was the guy who started it all with some idle speculation.
Then because no one has denied it it's picked up steam, I agree Schefter engaging in it makes it more possible. Anyway we shall see, if they love a receiver in the draft and get him I could see that. I could absolutely see them not really wanting him past this year. But it's not like he's overpaid and under producing and I would be surprised if they wanted to go into next year with only Cooper and question marks.
If they sign a rookie and Maclin is healthy and signs an extension sure fine maybe. Right now? There are not a lot of obvious replacements. Now I think Maclin is going to be amazing in this offence and if he had been signed long term (as they wanted) fine but they didn't.
If the Eagles can upgrade the other safety spot and add a NT and a pass rusher they sure look like a playoff team. Sans Jackson you are 100% on a guy off an ACL tear for your deep threat.
Then because no one has denied it it's picked up steam, I agree Schefter engaging in it makes it more possible. Anyway we shall see, if they love a receiver in the draft and get him I could see that. I could absolutely see them not really wanting him past this year. But it's not like he's overpaid and under producing and I would be surprised if they wanted to go into next year with only Cooper and question marks.
If they sign a rookie and Maclin is healthy and signs an extension sure fine maybe. Right now? There are not a lot of obvious replacements. Now I think Maclin is going to be amazing in this offence and if he had been signed long term (as they wanted) fine but they didn't.
If the Eagles can upgrade the other safety spot and add a NT and a pass rusher they sure look like a playoff team. Sans Jackson you are 100% on a guy off an ACL tear for your deep threat.
I heard it.DrewDawg said:
As to the Patriots, Sal emphasized that Bill and Chip are close and he implied that it was nothign more than the Pats doing their dilligence, as Reiss has written. He also mused that the Edelman signing may take Jackson out of the equation.
Sal also said that he thought that the Eagles would indeed trade him if someone offered enough picks or a high enough pick (without saying what that was), and that a draft day trade wouldn't surprise him in the least. This is all based on attitude and Sal emphasized Jackson's focus on his contract and the need to renegoitate it pissed Kelly and others off.
Last, he noted that it was quite telling that the Ravens, who were searching for a WR, would sign the 35-year old Steve Smith rather than trading for DeSean Jackson.
Yup I think wilfork would be a great fit for Philly.
I don't really know what Jackson is thinking asking for more money. I thought that was media nonsense too.
His contact is fair
I don't really know what Jackson is thinking asking for more money. I thought that was media nonsense too.
His contact is fair
Mannish Mehta is reporting that Jackson will either be traded or cut. If he's cut, I'd go all in on a 1 year deal for him if he wants to re-establish his value.
RedOctober3829 said:
82 catches, 1332 yds, 9 TD's with an average of 16.2 yards/catch for on field value.
Do you mean Kelly's reported "sick of his attitude" problems? Re-establish his attitude off-field value?
Dogman2 said:
If Jackson is indeed cut (most likely), then you have to think the place to go is where he'll have a HoF QB throwing him the ball as the de facto #1 WR option.
Of course I'm talking about the Bronc... just kidding -- it has to be the Patriots right? Dobson is hurt, #2 receiver is one of LaFell or Amendola, and if Jackson is smart (debatable), he'll keep his nose clean and just play true #1 level ball with Brady as his QB.
Lot of talk out of Jets camp about reuniting him with Vick, but he's a hard hit away from Geno Smith throwing him the ball.
Jackson on a prove-it 1-year deal. MAKE IT HAPPEN DANNY!
Devizier said:
If he's traded, I believe Amendola counts 2.7 million against the Pats' cap. Wilfork would make more sense, but I think Wilfork will return at a lower cap hit.
To your point, Jackson would need to restructure, and the Pats would be putting themselves in a situation where they'd be taking on dead money in the future in addition to his huge future salaries. I really can't see it happening via trade, and even with a Revis-like deal, the dead money is starting to pile up. With the increase in cap space and getting rid of Hernandez's hit, I suppose it would be possible, I just wouldn't bet on it. I think the other teams, including the Jets, are likely to outbid the Pats in this area as well.
Ed Hillel said:
Trading Amendola would actually increase his cap number from $4,575,000 to $4.8 million against the cap, as detailed here: http://www.patsfans.com/salary-cap/?p=333
mpx42 said:
Sorry, I meant in net savings. So if he's traded, the Pats aren't actually saving any money, they're losing it. According to Miguel's page PatsCap page, it's a -2.7 million dollar net. Or are you saying it would actually be a negative - 3 million dollar net, rather than 2.7?
Yes Dogman. No one in their right mind would consider trading or releasing somebody with those statistics. He's a malcontent and nobody wants that in their locker room. If he can go somewhere and behave, it'd be better for his perceived value.Dogman2 said:
Ed Hillel said:
Understood. The net/gross thing throws me off sometimes.
It does look like his cap hit increases by $225,000 if he is cut/traded, yeah, according to that link. Probably not an amount worth worrying about.
Amendola isn't going anywhere this season other than into the end zone 7 or 8 times on throws from Brady.
Highly likely, me thinks. The Raiders have to spend 98%+ of their cap over the next three years and really don't have many good young options for that money. Thus taking in Jackson and extending his huge deal even further and pushing a $15M ballon into 2015 or 2016 (when the cap will be $150M+)probably makes a ton of sense to Reggie McKinzie. Like with Schaub, their complete salary/roster gutting last year makes them probably the only team willing to make a straight trade, rather than waiting for the player to be cut.BigSoxFan said:
That and Shaub behind a re-worked Oline throwing to DJackson, James jones, Rod Streeter & Denarius Moore with Marcel Reece & Darren McFadden in the backfield sounds oddly competitive.