Koufax said:
The NFL statement, unless PFT published only part of it, doesn't contain the word "gauge" anywhere within it.
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The NFL statement, unless PFT published only part of it, doesn't contain the word "gauge" anywhere within it.
That was fact #1 of the stipulated facts (all balls fine pre-game) for the purposes of that post.fairlee76 said:
SumnerH said:
Why not:
Balls where not checked as thoroughly as indicated by the NFL?
They where submitted at 11.8 Who knows why....but in theory ITS THE REFS responibility to fill them to proper levels at the initial (2:15) check. They either dont check....or say "Close enough" (maybe they are lazy and dont want to pump up 12-24 footballs.)
They dont.
Balls are used in cold weather....
Balls are measured at half time "2lbs" low (say 11 PSI). Colts who submitted theres at 13.2 PSI are fine the Pre, Half and End game checks.
Patriots obviously cheated because the League CANNOT afford this to blow back on the Officals, the arbiters of the game.
#6 encompasses a lot more than just a rogue ball boy. It could be the Colts letting out the air out of the Pats' balls after tipping off the NFL to look at them.amarshal2 said:
(I don't think that's at all likely, just throwing out technical possibilities).
I'll get flamed for this...but that will at least help me believe my fears are unfounded:
Do we have any reason to fear all the *unbiased* officiating that's sure to come our way in 9 days? The NFL has got to be pissed, especially now that BB's and TB's denials have pretty much placed the blame at the officials' feet.
I'm thinking the last thing the NFL wants to do is hand New England the Lombardi trophy come 10pm on 2/1. But I'm sure I'm just being paranoid...right?
Do we have any reason to fear all the *unbiased* officiating that's sure to come our way in 9 days? The NFL has got to be pissed, especially now that BB's and TB's denials have pretty much placed the blame at the officials' feet.
I'm thinking the last thing the NFL wants to do is hand New England the Lombardi trophy come 10pm on 2/1. But I'm sure I'm just being paranoid...right?
And, like, a trial with evidence and authentication and testimony and stuff vs. an anonymous source.RedOctober3829 said:
Mort's story may very well be right. Volin's statement that the officials definitely gauge checked the balls before the game may be as well.
But I remember lots of sources and rumors talking about how the book was going to get thrown at Belichick for having a tape of a pre-Super Bowl practice, too. And that all fizzled out. So I'm skeptical, mostly because I'd have expected the real stuff to leak by now if there was actually someone that had the goods, either by direct evidence or circumstantial evidence and physics. I think the most likely scenario is that testing is generally half-assed because nobody cares about this, and the NFL's trying to figure out how to deal with the fact that they have a rule in place that makes fast pitch wiffle ball tournament ball scuffing seem professional.
loshjott said:
This is a long shot but:
any chance they did some spot measurements at other games last week?
Well, as of yesterday, Brady hadn't even been interviewed. So there was no chance for him to lie.Ed Hillel said:
He will have his agent and the NFLPA with him during any interview with the NFL's army of lawyers.
Sure, there is a bad scenario out there where Brady could get into some trouble. But that seems unlikely.
Ralphwiggum said:
Never, ever discount Roger Goodell's added punishments to Mike Vick and the Saints because they lied to him. He takes as a personal affront when NFL people lie to him; it's worse than the crime itself (in his bloated head).
Ted Wells and the "forensic expert" investigative firm are DROOLING. Billable hours for everyone!
Because it's a sport, and sports have arbitrary rules, and those were the rules established for the game.RedOctober3829 said:
SumnerH said:
I feel like the definition of rogue supports me in this case but I suppose I should have let it be known that "rogue ball boy" is my umbrella term for "somebody deflated the balls without the approval of Bill or Tom".
rogue
rōɡ/
noun
1.
a dishonest or unprincipled man.
Could whoever posted that Joe Montana and Dan Marino said that the deflation is no big deal provide a link. I can't find any sign of it in google searches. Thanks.
That contradicts the assumptions in play for the premise. But, yes, in real life the idea that those facts are incorrect is still in play.bakahump said:
Can we get the cell tower pings too? Looks like two pings came from Leakin Park, so is possible they did the deflating there. Better check Jay's testimony.
bluefenderstrat said:
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The main take away for me in this whole mess is the way, way, way over-inflated (ha ha) sense of self-importance the NFL has. Though I guess I'm part of the problem.
Seems like the Pats turned over all security camera footage from the stadium, which would reveal if someone broke into the refs locker room or if the ball boys took a detour somewhere after getting the balls. If that doesn't reveal anything, that would move tampering to have been done on the field during the game.
So, the investigation means they have no smoking gun, and Godell is just covering his ass for a "we did everything we could to find something" if something ever comes out.
Yep.Steve Dillard said:
We conducted 40 interviews (got nothing useable)
We spoke with officials (they told us what you'd expect)
We spoke to Patriots employees (they didn't give us anything)
So here we are, 5 days later with no evidence but we must press on!!
Ed Hillel said:
With that army of investigators, could they also be getting ready to say "look, we threw an army of investigators at this. We really really cannot find any evidence of wrongdoing other than inexplicable pressure readings. Remember when we said "that is all" in the elevator caase, and it turned out there was that other video? Well, this time, we're really really sure that this is all, because we threw two separate investigation/lawyer groups out there and came up with nothing. Sorry guys.
oh, and we're gonna go ahead and fine the Paatriots $100k per ball, just because"
A few things:
- I'm impressed at how the Pats during and after the taping scandal never pointed fingers at any other player/team and have done the same in this case. You'd think the rest of the league would respect that.
- I'm disappointed at how chickenshit the rest of the league appears if this is truly the NFL equivalent of pine tar in the seventies/eighties. If that's so, it's beyond petty to let the Patriots hang out there by themselves. Have a renewed respect for Aaron Rodgers.
- I'm amazed at the imprecision of the language used by professional writers and the stunning lack of relevant follow-up questions at professional broadcasters. Shouldn't the Patriots be "alleged to have deflated the footballs?" Again, if so, it's shocking how easily that's been tossed aside to the Patriots "have deflated the footballs." As always, it's innocent until proven guilty.
- If Brady and BB lied at their PC's, then the person who did deflate has to be absolutely trustworthy to neither crack under oath and be susceptible to any kind of monetary rewards to give up his/her story. I'd guess nothing less than a blood relation would fit the bill.
- Finally, and somewhat goofily, I alway use spit on the needle and hole of the football before inserting it as lubricant. Is it possible that one could use DNA to find out if someone unauthorized had handled the football (and I did say this was goofy)?
- I'm impressed at how the Pats during and after the taping scandal never pointed fingers at any other player/team and have done the same in this case. You'd think the rest of the league would respect that.
- I'm disappointed at how chickenshit the rest of the league appears if this is truly the NFL equivalent of pine tar in the seventies/eighties. If that's so, it's beyond petty to let the Patriots hang out there by themselves. Have a renewed respect for Aaron Rodgers.
- I'm amazed at the imprecision of the language used by professional writers and the stunning lack of relevant follow-up questions at professional broadcasters. Shouldn't the Patriots be "alleged to have deflated the footballs?" Again, if so, it's shocking how easily that's been tossed aside to the Patriots "have deflated the footballs." As always, it's innocent until proven guilty.
- If Brady and BB lied at their PC's, then the person who did deflate has to be absolutely trustworthy to neither crack under oath and be susceptible to any kind of monetary rewards to give up his/her story. I'd guess nothing less than a blood relation would fit the bill.
- Finally, and somewhat goofily, I alway use spit on the needle and hole of the football before inserting it as lubricant. Is it possible that one could use DNA to find out if someone unauthorized had handled the football (and I did say this was goofy)?
Hoya81 said:
And I would hope, if they knowingly did something to the footballs they would know it was on the tapes they had to turn over. I can't imagine they would then turn around and hold Baghdad Bob press conferences on Wednesday.
That tells me they have nothing to hide. But I still don't have confidence the NFL will rule that way.
simplyeric said:
I completely agree. It's just that the scary thing is that it's now a really high-stakes game. Only the NFL could turn an air-deflation scandal that was previously punished by a memo into something of this magnitude.
I find this whole thing unbelievably entertaining. I don't care how it turns out, I'm loving every minute of it.
I would love to join in the chorus of "I'm so sick of this" but I'm not.
Let go of the notion that any of this is going to make some kind of linear sense like things do for you in your every day world. Enjoy the ride.
And Ed, you need to chill out brother. Brady will be fine.
I would love to join in the chorus of "I'm so sick of this" but I'm not.
Let go of the notion that any of this is going to make some kind of linear sense like things do for you in your every day world. Enjoy the ride.
And Ed, you need to chill out brother. Brady will be fine.
Maybe they will find footage of John Harbaugh on the sidelines deflating the balls to setup the Pats. Seems likely as anything at this point.
In that clip we've al probablys een 100 times when the refs swap balls at the start of the 3rd quarter, you get the shot of the ballboy with a ball covered by a towel, obviously to keep it as dry as possible.
I'm waiting for the tweet to come out with "what's he doing to the ball under the towel?"
I'm waiting for the tweet to come out with "what's he doing to the ball under the towel?"
Koufax said:
A sting operation, or at least a well run one, would have had the pre-game and halftime measurements recorded to the hundreth of a decimal if they could. That's really the only way they can play "gotcha" on the Pats here. Because without records of the measurements that can be backed up by science in terms of "could this have been naturally caused deflation by temp changes, etc?" what do they have?
Were they singling out the Pats here? Probably. Calling it a sting operation might be taking it a bit too far.