Patriots WR Julian Edelman is facing a four-game suspension for violating the NFL’s performance enhancing substances policy, league sources tell @FieldYates and me. Suspension is under appeal.
Yes it is. Take first 4 games off, make sure the knee is ready, then come out ready to go.Blessing in disguise
Edelman isn’t really a TB12 guy. He’s in Tom’s documentary having a debate with them about the benefits of the standard NFL training regimen.It's all about pliability. And stretchy bands. And PEDs.
Are we sure about that?Edelman isn’t really a TB12 guy. He’s in Tom’s documentary having a debate with them about the benefits of the standard NFL training regimen.
Julian Edelman visited the TB12 Sports Therapy Center on Wednesday for treatment from Alex Guerrero. If Tom Brady’s trainer lives up to the Karate Kid nickname Edelman granted him, the Patriots wide receiver should soon be doing crane kicks with his rebuilt right knee.
In a video Edelman posted on Instagram, Edelman sits on a treatment table as Guerrero massages his right knee. Edelman spent New England’s 2017 campaign on the sidelines after he tore the ACL in that knee during a preseason game in August.
“Just TB12-ing. Just TB12-ing right now,” Edelman said. “Pliability is ability. That’s Mr. Miyagi right there.”
Matthews has been primarily a slot receiver since he entered the NFL after a great college career at Vanderbilt. He ran 67.1 percent of his routes out of the slot in 2016, according to Pro Football Focus. That was his last year with the Eagles and his most recent productive season — Matthews was with the Bills in 2017, but was limited by knee, ankle, chest, and thumb injuries and was shut down in December after catching 25 passes for 282 yards and a touchdown in 10 games.
Yeah this really helps his chances of making the roster.Braxton Berrios must have a little extra hop in his step today.
Just another part of Bill’s devious plan to discredit Guerrero.
So, they said it was because of Guerrero's methods huh? Missed that in my version of the story.I’m shocked, shocked Alex Guerrero’s cutting edge training program involves the use of PEDs.
I mean, yeah, I care a little bit. Not like baseball. I'm disappointed in the news and don't simply deflect to "everyone does it" when I find out that my favorite players break the rules.Does anyone honestly give a shit about PEDs in the NFL anymore? I'm just kind of stunned he was dumb enough to get caught.
Fair enough. I stopped caring a long time ago for all pro sports, but especially for football. In the NFL I assume most players are on something.I mean, yeah, I care a little bit. Not like baseball. I'm disappointed in the news and don't simply deflect to "everyone does it" when I find out that my favorite players break the rules.
Agreed. Rodney Harrison was one of my favorite players and even if you use the usual disclaimers (he was at the end of his career, he just wanted to get back on the field) it’s hard not to consider his PED usage as a somewhat sizable black mark on his legacy.I mean, yeah, I care a little bit. Not like baseball. I'm disappointed in the news and don't simply deflect to "everyone does it" when I find out that my favorite players break the rules.
I was more joking about how all the rest of the super-cutting-edge training probably has less to do with player recovery than things like the natural variance from one person to another, random chance, and PEDs. Lots and lots of PEDs. Which just about every NFL player probably has to take to survive a sport that is equivalent to being in a car crash on a regular basis. I'm sure the players and trainers think that diet tweaks, kettle bells, and stretchy bands make a huge difference. I remain unconvinced by the scant evidence.Edelman isn’t really a TB12 guy. He’s in Tom’s documentary having a debate with them about the benefits of the standard NFL training regimen.
No, no one cares. But Patriots haters will care greatly now. Get ready.Does anyone honestly give a shit about PEDs in the NFL anymore? I'm just kind of stunned he was dumb enough to get caught.
Elaborate please.Nink is killing it on eei
Because almost everyone in the league uses PEDs.Agreed. Rodney Harrison was one of my favorite players and even if you use the usual disclaimers (he was at the end of his career, he just wanted to get back on the field) it’s hard not to consider his PED usage as a somewhat sizable black mark on his legacy.
Edelman has been a great player for this team. He made one of the signature catches of this dynasty. He’s been one of the most visible personalities and his story is a good one. He’s a player fans have rightfully loved. Does using PEDs completely invalidate those feelings? No. But it dininishes them a bit. How can it not?
Can’t wait to hear from Steeler Nation.No, no one cares. But Patriots haters will care greatly now. Get ready.
I would argue that it's a blip on Harrison's legacy radar compared to his cheapness, however real or perceived. Until someone brought it up a couple years ago, I really had no memory that he was suspended for PEDs.Agreed. Rodney Harrison was one of my favorite players and even if you use the usual disclaimers (he was at the end of his career, he just wanted to get back on the field) it’s hard not to consider his PED usage as a somewhat sizable black mark on his legacy.
Edelman has been a great player for this team. He made one of the signature catches of this dynasty. He’s been one of the most visible personalities and his story is a good one. He’s a player fans have rightfully loved. Does using PEDs completely invalidate those feelings? No. But it dininishes them a bit. How can it not?
I the end, this is the question. I'm skeptical. I don't think this is literally true or even close to true. I think there are enough clean players in the NFL, and even some who washed out clean, that those who do this stuff should be judged.Because almost everyone in the league uses PEDs.
For taking PEDs or for getting caught? Because they are all taking PEDs.This makes me sad. I really like Edelman and now I have to like him a bit less.
Around 1988, 89 a track coach I know whose parents were German, so he sprechen the right language and knew people to get a meeting with a guru of the East German track team. Very respectfully the young Canadian coach gave him the bottle of Canadian Club that had been a prerequisite of the meeting. He asked for any incite into training athletes as the master had done. He was told 1. Identify the athletes using x-rays, muscle biopsies, 2. you can't teach heart, if they won't work hard get rid of them, 3. Massive doses of steroids. then laughed pouring them both a drink.I’m shocked, shocked Alex Guerrero’s cutting edge training program involves the use of PEDs.
Yeah, I had a friend on the 1988 US Olympic team (not track), and after Ben Johnson got busted, he said that was surprising since literally the entire US track team did it too.Around 1988, 89 a track coach I know whose parents were German, so he sprechen the right language and knew people to get a meeting with a guru of the East German track team. Very respectfully the young Canadian coach gave him the bottle of Canadian Club that had been a prerequisite of the meeting. He asked for any incite into training athletes as the master had done. He was told 1. Identify the athletes using x-rays, muscle biopsies, 2. you can't teach heart, if they won't work hard get rid of them, 3. Massive doses of steroids. then laughed pouring them both a drink.
I'm not arguing that it's right, or even okay . But everyone in the NFL uses PEDs. The dumb or really unlucky ones get caught.I the end, this is the question. I'm skeptical. I don't think this is literally true or even close to true. I think there are enough clean players in the NFL, and even some who washed out clean, that those who do this stuff should be judged.
But, again, I'm just skeptical. I don't know.
What's the tipping point anyway where it's reasonable to not care? You could make the case that so long as there's one clean player then it really doesn't matter if everyone else is doing it, it's still wrong. I don't know. 80 percent? 40 percent? Where is the critical mass such that doing it is not a problem?
Don't care. Only matters if it impacts whether he is part of the active team when the steelers play them.Can’t wait to hear from Steeler Nation.
It will be like Trump jumping ugly on the Clintons for #me too harassment. And vice versa.
I'm not arguing that it's right, or even okay . But everyone in the NFL uses PEDs. The dumb or really unlucky ones get caught.
I can't fully explain why it bothers me in baseball and not as much in football, but that is the case. Maybe because I enjoy the history of baseball and the PED guys ruined all the records .
It’s 100%. It really is.I the end, this is the question. I'm skeptical. I don't think this is literally true or even close to true. I think there are enough clean players in the NFL, and even some who washed out clean, that those who do this stuff should be judged.
But, again, I'm just skeptical. I don't know.
What's the tipping point anyway where it's reasonable to not care? You could make the case that so long as there's one clean player then it really doesn't matter if everyone else is doing it, it's still wrong. I don't know. 80 percent? 40 percent? Where is the critical mass such that doing it is not a problem?
I’m not sure if I’m missing your distinctions here, or if you’re not super well versed on supplements versus PEDs. Most hardcore supplements are either banned by the government or the leagues, and while I suppose every now and then an OTC GNC preworkout powder or protein powder has some dbol in it, that’s not really the case anymore and is more a vestige of athletes’ favorite excuse.The problem is that this is not a black and white issue. There are different degrees of PEDs. I believe 100% of these guys are taking supplements. I think a much, much smaller group are doing hard core steroids. Maybe 10%. The supplement industry is largely unregulated and guys get caught taking something relatively benign but it's on the banned substance list. Simplify the list to just the worst stuff and forget about chasing the small stuff.
I agree. Watch Bigger, Faster, Stronger sometime. It’s a good documentary. Basically, steroids were legal and rampant till the Soviets started crushing us at the Olympics because they had better labs so then we vilified and outlawed them. A proper cycle is much better and healthier than alcohol or tobacco. Who cares?Then it's a really dumb rule.