Evaluating the 2017 Red Sox

What is the most pressing need for this team?

  • Improving the defense

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If you drop Devers from that deal I could see it making some sense but even then I'd pass since I don't see Gray as much of an upgrade over Pom and Johnson.

How do you propose a trade for a stopgap 3B and then trade both of the potential long term replacements?
Exactly. Jed Lowrie is older than Pedroia and Sonny Gray's slight frame (5'10 185) is starting to show the strains of throwing major league fastballs (hurt last 2 months of 2016 and first month of this year). Khris Davis would provide a bit of needed pop but his low average would hurt an offense that desperately needs consistency. But the main thing is why the hell would you trade away the (hopefully) answer to your problems at 3b when he's possibly about a year away.

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Dallas Braden posted this wacky trade idea. Thoughts?

Boston gets
Khris Davis
Sonny Gray
Jed Lowrie

Oakland gets
Benintendi
Devers
Chavis

Other than that it's not Dallas Braden and it would be the one of the small handful of worst deals in franchise history, great post!
 

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Sure looks like Sports Illustrated got it right three years ago.

What concerns me the most is seeing guys like Ramirez and Pedroia start to decline in their age-34 seasons. We've all been looking forward to youngsters like Benintendi and JBJ to continue to improve, but if we're losing production from our senior statesmen at the same pace, then we're just treading water.
Not to mention they are stuck with those salaries during one of the best free agent classes in history (2018).
 

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Not to mention they are stuck with those salaries during one of the best free agent classes in history (2018).
Allen Craig is done this year. Hanley comes off the books after next year (option for 2019). That leaves Sandoval as the only albatross in 2019 (plus Castillo, but he's only $11M), unless you also count Price and Porcello. Pedey at $15M isn't stopping them from signing a big ticket FA.
 
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Sure looks like Sports Illustrated got it right three years ago.

What concerns me the most is seeing guys like Ramirez and Pedroia start to decline in their age-34 seasons. We've all been looking forward to youngsters like Benintendi and JBJ to continue to improve, but if we're losing production from our senior statesmen at the same pace, then we're just treading water.
On what are you basing Pedroia showing he's in decline?
 

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What worries me is that the guys we are paying big money to right now aren't producing for the most part and when we have to pay the young guys, Dombroski won't have the new set of kids coming in from the minors to keep this thing going because he's given so much away.
Who are the kids he's given away who will fill the gaps around the current young guys who will soon be getting paid big? Serious question. Bogaerts/Bradley/Betts/Benintendi/etc are going to be getting significantly expensive 2-3 years down the line at minimum. Other than maybe Anderson Espinoza, who has Dombrowski traded who wasn't a) blocked by one or more of those guys, b) is still far enough away that he'd be coming up and playing his cheap years in sync with the "B"s pricey years, and c) is a virtual lock to ascend to a big league roster at all?

Seems to me that today's draft and next year's draft are going to be the biggest parts of providing cheaper roster pieces for the 2020-2022 Red Sox, not necessarily guys who are at AA, AAA, or even on MLB rosters right now.
 

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...Seems to me that today's draft and next year's draft are going to be the biggest parts of providing cheaper roster pieces for the 2020-2022 Red Sox, not necessarily guys who are at AA, AAA, or even on MLB rosters right now.
Yes, plus guys like Travis and Devers, and, maybe/hopefully, Chavis and Groome.
 

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What worries me is that the guys we are paying big money to right now aren't producing for the most part and when we have to pay the young guys, Dombroski won't have the new set of kids coming in from the minors to keep this thing going because he's given so much away.
If DD had hypothetically not signed David Price and just sat on all these "given so much away" assets since he got here, do we still win the division last year? Would we even have a competitive chance at making a playoff run this year? Generally speaking, watching a good solid core of young player primes come and go with nothing (in terms of championship chasing, which includes the enjoyment people take out of the grind while thinking there is even a chance of it happening) to show for it is still a far worse but always real and overlooked potential fate on the table imo.

Personally, it's really hard for me to play out a reality "rarely are the best guys going to end up on team friendly extensions" scenario where 3-4 years from now I'm left pointing at the prospects DD has given up so far as the primary reason things never really lined up. Leaving me less worried about the actual "losses" there then I am with a possibility that we spend the next couple years watching the better players we have kept being good...but never good enough as a whole. While of course having the Aaron Judge Show play out to be a constant " for all that skys-the-limit dynasty hype...we weren't the ones to end up with one of those" reminder poking me in the eyes.
 

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Allen Craig is done this year. Hanley comes off the books after next year (option for 2019). That leaves Sandoval as the only albatross in 2019 (plus Castillo, but he's only $11M), unless you also count Price and Porcello. Pedey at $15M isn't stopping them from signing a big ticket FA.
This is from COTS.
Hanley's is a vesting option based on plate appearances. You also have Sale's 13.5, X, and JBJ's third year of arbitration, Mookie's 2nd, and E-Rod's 1st.. That's easily another 60-70 with 97 million already committed. There's some room to play with obviously, but it's not the best season for dead money.

 
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Isn't part of the point of avoiding the CBA's lux tax this year to avoid steeper penalties in future years? The limit will be $206M in 2019. I could see Boston, having been thrifty this and next year, being willing to go over for a year, knowing that Hanley's option year would then allow them to get back under in 2020. And it would be unlikely that they'd be hit with a surcharge in 2019 just by signing one guy, even a $30M+/year guy. Depending, of course, on what other moves they make.

It's possible that they just decide to spend their payroll space under the LT on extending all/most of the B's. Of course, it's also possible that Price opts out, which would create a hole that could be filled by some other 2019 FA...
 

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Do we expect to resign JBJ? Big deal to an OF wrong side of 30? I think sliding Benintendi over to CF is more likely.
 

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Do we expect to resign JBJ? Big deal to an OF wrong side of 30? I think sliding Benintendi over to CF is more likely.
I doubt he's the highest priority, but they could see what happens in the 2018 offseason, and then, if desirable, try to extend JBJ (whom they'd still control through 2020) by buying out a year or two of FA. They'd need to decide on extending X (and others) before then.
 

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On what are you basing Pedroia showing he's in decline?
1) For nine of the past ten years Pedroia's wRC+ has been between 112 and 133. (Exception being 2014 -- I think he was playing through injury that year.) This year so far it's down to 104.
2) Fangraphs gives him the lowest BsR on the team.
3) Farrell has regularly pulled him for a defensive replacement late in games
 

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1) For nine of the past ten years Pedroia's wRC+ has been between 112 and 133. (Exception being 2014 -- I think he was playing through injury that year.) This year so far it's down to 104.
2) Fangraphs gives him the lowest BsR on the team.
3) Farrell has regularly pulled him for a defensive replacement late in games
Is #3 accurate? I dont think he's been pulled late except in blowouts.
 

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1) For nine of the past ten years Pedroia's wRC+ has been between 112 and 133. (Exception being 2014 -- I think he was playing through injury that year.) This year so far it's down to 104.
2) Fangraphs gives him the lowest BsR on the team.
3) Farrell has regularly pulled him for a defensive replacement late in games
His home to first times have gotten slower from this year to last year (4.16 to 4.31) according to this chart from fangraphs, but other than being slower, the wRC+ drop off isn't that great and he has dealt with two injuries already.
His hard contact % is the 2nd highest of his career, but it hasn't translated to more xBH.
Maybe he's lost an infield hit here and there, and hasn't attempted to run out some doubles but there isn't really any evidence his defense has dropped off. Probably getting a breather or they're being careful with him.

Hanley's drop is really significant too fwiw.

Edit: Clarifying, I don't think his slight numbers decline is significant yet.
 
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Who are the kids he's given away who will fill the gaps around the current young guys who will soon be getting paid big? Serious question. Bogaerts/Bradley/Betts/Benintendi/etc are going to be getting significantly expensive 2-3 years down the line at minimum. Other than maybe Anderson Espinoza, who has Dombrowski traded who wasn't a) blocked by one or more of those guys, b) is still far enough away that he'd be coming up and playing his cheap years in sync with the "B"s pricey years, and c) is a virtual lock to ascend to a big league roster at all?

Seems to me that today's draft and next year's draft are going to be the biggest parts of providing cheaper roster pieces for the 2020-2022 Red Sox, not necessarily guys who are at AA, AAA, or even on MLB rosters right now.
You know, you kind of killed my point. You're right . I suppose I'd just wish he would have acquired more helpful players with the guys he sent out.
 

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If DD had hypothetically not signed David Price and just sat on all these "given so much away" assets since he got here, do we still win the division last year? Would we even have a competitive chance at making a playoff run this year? Generally speaking, watching a good solid core of young player primes come and go with nothing (in terms of championship chasing, which includes the enjoyment people take out of the grind while thinking there is even a chance of it happening) to show for it is still a far worse but always real and overlooked potential fate on the table imo.

Personally, it's really hard for me to play out a reality "rarely are the best guys going to end up on team friendly extensions" scenario where 3-4 years from now I'm left pointing at the prospects DD has given up so far as the primary reason things never really lined up. Leaving me less worried about the actual "losses" there then I am with a possibility that we spend the next couple years watching the better players we have kept being good...but never good enough as a whole. While of course having the Aaron Judge Show play out to be a constant " for all that skys-the-limit dynasty hype...we weren't the ones to end up with one of those" reminder poking me in the eyes.

You're right. I hadn't thought it out correctly. I supposed I'm just dissapointed in the Pomeran, Miley, and Shaw trades. Not to mention Cheringtons horrible signings.
 

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Farrell confirms that Hanley shoulders are still bothering him and that it hurting him at the plate



BOSTON -- Hanley Ramirez still is dealing with soreness to both his shoulders and it is affecting him offensively.

"To what extent, I don't know that," Red Sox manager John Farrell said. "I do know there's maintenance work done daily. There's been different remedies attempted to get him over the hump and feeling a little bit more free consistently. But that's ongoing with Hanley."

Ramirez is batting .250 with a .353 on-base percentage, .410 slugging percentage, .763 OPS, eight homers, six doubles and 25 RBIs in 53 games.

"He's had one (shoulder) repaired in the past so it's not just the throwing shoulder," Farrell said. "The left one has had some work done previously. So what I don't know specifically from Hanley is if it ebbs-and-flows or if it's just a constant nagging situation. I do know this: When heavy volume of throwing takes place, the soreness, then he feels like it begins to affect his swing."

Ramirez is on pace for 21 homers, 65 RBIs and 16 doubles. He hit 30 homers, drove in 111 runs and stroked 28 doubles last year.

"When he gets a little bit too pull-orientated, I think that's where the swing can get a little bit long, the plate coverage is not as consistent, maybe a little bit more susceptible to breaking balls," Farrell said. "Two nights ago, I thought his approach was spot-on once again. Hard hits in that direction mentioned. He's a key part of the middle of our lineup. And sooner we get him going as referenced to last year, the better."
http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2017/06/hanley_ramirez_boston_red_sox_19.html
 

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It's a dumb trade idea. But I'd consider doing a Davis for Bradley swap. Adds power to a lineup that needs it.
Khris Davis is a 29-year old horrendous defender in LF with poor on-base skills. JBJ is a 27-year old excellent defender in CF who has been close to Davis' equal as a hitter since 2015, and it's going to get a lot closer when JBJ's luck starts reverting to the mean given how hard he's been hitting the ball. Not to mention that it would make the lineup even more right-handed, leaving Benintendi, Moreland and Leon (whose LH bat is useless) as your only lefties assuming Sandoval has fallen out of favor.

This is baseball, not home run derby. Trading JBJ for Davis would make the Lackey trade look like the Slocumb deal.
 

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Isn't part of the point of avoiding the CBA's lux tax this year to avoid steeper penalties in future years? The limit will be $206M in 2019. I could see Boston, having been thrifty this and next year, being willing to go over for a year, knowing that Hanley's option year would then allow them to get back under in 2020. And it would be unlikely that they'd be hit with a surcharge in 2019 just by signing one guy, even a $30M+/year guy. Depending, of course, on what other moves they make.

It's possible that they just decide to spend their payroll space under the LT on extending all/most of the B's. Of course, it's also possible that Price opts out, which would create a hole that could be filled by some other 2019 FA...
It's becoming necessary to talk about this supposedly bonanza 2018-19 FA class, if we're assuming it's influencing roster construction. Considering our core and a few other factors, it's hard to see where we're going to spend the money.

Here are free agents that could conceivably command substantial multi-year contracts (let's say 3/$39 and above), indexed next to in-house players:

C (Vazquez through 2020; Swihart through 2021)
Grandal (30)
Mesoraco (31)
Ramos (30)

1B (Travis through 2023/24?)
Smoak (32)

2B (blocked by Pedroia through 2021)
Dozier (32)
Harrison (31)
LeMahieu (30)
Murphy (34)

3B (Devers up 2017 or 18)
Donaldson (33)
Machado (26)

SS (blocked by Bogaerts through 2019)
Andrus (30 — if opts out)
(Machado)

LF (blocked by Benintendi through 2022)
Brantley (32)
Gardner (34)

CF (blocked by Bradley through 2020)
Blackmon (33)
Jones (33)
McCutchen (32)
Pollock (31)

RF (blocked by Betts through 2020)
Bautista (38)
Harper (26)
Heyward (29)

DH (blocked by Hanley through 2019 if option vests; 2018 if not)
Cruz (38)
Tomas (28 — if opts out)

SPs
Carrasco (32 — if option declined)
Hamels (35 — if option not vested)
Happ (36)
Harvey (30)
Kershaw (31 — if opts out)
Pomeranz (30)
Price (33)
Richards (31)
Smyly (29)

(We have Sale through 2019; Price through 2018 if he opts out — 2022 if not; EdRod through 2021; Porcello through 2019. I'm ignoring relievers because they're so volatile, but 31-year-old Craig Kimbrel will be a FA too.)

There's no coming bonanza for us. Machado won't sign here. Jones won't sign here. Harper's going to New York. L.A. will keep Kershaw unless he's broken. All other pitchers have arm troubles, including those who already play for us.

There's nowhere to spend money except extensions. Unless you bet on a 38-year-old Nelson Cruz (or we trade an outfielder), the only good fits I can see are Donaldson (ignoring Devers) and Grandal (who we drafted in 2007).
 
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In blowouts and when recovering from injury. In no way is he being replaced regularly for defensive purposes.
"Regularly' was a poor choice of word, sorry. But I counted 9 times in 48 games when he was pulled for a sub either on defense or for a pinch runner. That's not nothing.
 

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"Regularly' was a poor choice of word, sorry. But I counted 9 times in 48 games when he was pulled for a sub either on defense or for a pinch runner. That's not nothing.
These are each of the games Pedroia has started and not finished this year.

Pulled in the 8th inning of a 12-5 loss to Baltimore
Pulled in the 7th inning of a 10-5 loss to Tampa
Injured on Machado slide in 8th inning of a 2-0 loss in Baltimore
Pulled in the 9th inning of a 17-6 win in Minnesota
Pulled in the 8th inning of a 8-3 loss in Oakland
Pulled in the 6th inning of a 6-2 win over Texas (precautionary due to knee pain on a very wet sloppy field)
Leaves game in 2nd inning with wrist injury against Chicago
Pulled in the 9th inning of a 11-3 win over Detroit

Outside of injury, it would appear that all were a case of sitting a veteran late in a blowout to give him some extra rest. In no case was his removal from the game at a point where his replacement would have had any impact on the outcome of the game. I don't think anything can be read into it in terms of it reflecting some lack of confidence in his defense or base running.
 

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It's becoming necessary to talk about this supposedly bonanza 2018-19 FA class, if we're assuming it's influencing roster construction. Considering our core and a few other factors, it's hard to see where we're going to spend the money.

Here are free agents that could conceivably command substantial multi-year contracts (let's say 3/$39 and above), indexed next to in-house players:

C (Vazquez through 2020; Swihart through 2021)
Grandal (30)
Mesoraco (31)
Ramos (30)

1B (Travis through 2023/24?)
Smoak (32)

2B (blocked by Pedroia through 2021)
Dozier (32)
Harrison (31)
LeMahieu (30)
Murphy (34)

3B (Devers up 2017 or 18)
Donaldson (33)
Machado (26)

SS (blocked by Bogaerts through 2019)
Andrus (30 — if opts out)
(Machado)

LF (blocked by Benintendi through 2022)
Brantley (32)
Gardner (34)

CF (blocked by Bradley through 2020)
Blackmon (33)
Jones (33)
McCutchen (32)
Pollock (31)

RF (blocked by Betts through 2020)
Bautista (38)
Harper (26)
Heyward (29)

DH (blocked by Hanley through 2019 if option vests; 2018 if not)
Cruz (38)
Tomas (28 — if opts out)

SPs
Carrasco (32)
Hamels (35 — if option not vested)
Happ (36)
Harvey (30)
Kershaw (31 — if opts out)
Pomeranz (30)
Price (33)
Richards (31)
Smyly (29)

(We have Sale through 2019; Price through 2018 if he opts out — 2022 if not; EdRod through 2021; Porcello through 2019. I'm ignoring relievers because they're so volatile, but 31-year-old Craig Kimbrel will be a FA too.)

There's no coming bonanza for us. Machado won't sign here. Jones won't sign here. Harper's going to New York. L.A. will keep Kershaw unless he's broken. All other pitchers have arm troubles, including those who already play for us.

There's nowhere to spend money except extensions. Unless you bet on a 38-year-old Nelson Cruz (or we trade an outfielder), the only good fits I can see are Donaldson (ignoring Devers) and Grandal (who we drafted in 2007).
Cody Allen, Andrew Miller and Craig Kimbrel are also on the market.

Grandal (especially), Blackmon and Carrasco would be great fits.

I don't accept the Harper to New York as a given either. If Kershaw opts out who's to say they don't outbid the Dodgers by a significant margin?
 

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LAD only has $87mm committed after 18. That included $32mm for Kershaw. So they can resign him for another 10mm and with benefits and 40 man costs still have about $90mm for FAs and arb awards up to the tax threshold.
Have there been any indication that they are trying to get under the luxtax line?
 

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You're right. I hadn't thought it out correctly. I supposed I'm just dissapointed in the Pomeran, Miley, and Shaw trades. Not to mention Cheringtons horrible signings.

I'm right there with you in some of that overall disappointment. Just pointing out the flip side to the team sport blame game here where a Mitch Moreland signing turned out to add the best current hitter on this supposed Dynasty-in-the-making, and one which was always going to ultimately end up requiring an aggressive approach to adding outside pitching since we've continually proved incapable of developing a solid core with of our own to build off of.

The Sox could do a lot of things right and still end up with worse looking cost controlled core 4-5 years from now then they currently field today. So in that respect, writing off a couple more additional seasons with these guys (starting last year) while hoping Michael Kopech would eventually swoop in and save the day was never really in the reality cards here.
 

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Per other thread, they'll be without Marrero for ten days, so if there's room on the 40-man roster they could have Peralta fill in until he's back.
 

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Per other thread, they'll be without Marrero for ten days, so if there's room on the 40-man roster they could have Peralta fill in until he's back.
No room on the 40-man presently, so an additional move would be necessary to add Peralta or anyone else. Holt could be moved to the 60-day DL, I suppose.
 

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Mookie with some more milestones
“@jcmccaffrey: Betts has *eight* career multi-homer games. That’s a lot in roughly three seasons.”

“@jcmccaffrey: Betts is one of 24 players w/ at least eight multi-homer games since 2014. Encarnacion has the most in that span with 15 (h/t @EvanDrellich)”
“@jcmccaffrey: @EvanDrellich For context, David Ortiz has 10 multi-homer games from 2014 to 2016. Hanley Ramirez has eight from 2014-present.”

“@jcmccaffrey: @EvanDrellich Mike Trout has seven multi-homer games in that span.”
 

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Outside of injury, it would appear that all were a case of sitting a veteran late in a blowout to give him some extra rest. In no case was his removal from the game at a point where his replacement would have had any impact on the outcome of the game. I don't think anything can be read into it in terms of it reflecting some lack of confidence in his defense or base running.
But needing extra rest is, in itself, a mild form of decline. If you were a 1300-inning player in your prime and now you're an 1100-inning player, then even if nothing else about your performance has changed, the value of your overall contribution has decreased. And it's not true that everything else about Pedroia's performance is unchanged. He's slower, and his power is not what it was; La Luna is waning. His defense has been surprisingly resistant to age and injury, but even that is a tick or two below his peak.

I mean, of course Pedroia is declining. He's a 33-year-old second baseman; it would be weird as hell if he weren't. The question is, is he declining on a gradual enough slope that the team doesn't have to worry about replacing him anytime soon? I think the answer is yes, but once players move into their mid-30s things can change fast. We'll see.
 

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Stepping back from the details, and acknowledging that this team has some specific and significant flaws, I wanted to mention that this team is pretty fucking good.
 

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Chone Figgins would disapprove of your post.
Chone Figgins didn't play for the Sox, and my name isn't Sean. Or Shawn

Back on topic, the lack of quality bullpen depth was supposed to be the weakness of this team, but so far their performance has been excellent. The offense has bounced back after a weak start into early May despite 3B. Team defense has been very good except for 3B. It seems that the success or failure of the 2017 Red Sox rides on the starters. If Price and Porcello can get their results in line with being former Cy Young winners and Eddie returns soon and strong, the Sox will be a legit contender
 

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This tempers my enthusiasm a bit:

Record vs. teams .500 or better: 15-20
Records vs. teams under .500: 22-8

59 of their remaining 97 games are against teams currently playing at .500 or above.
 

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This tempers my enthusiasm a bit:

Record vs. teams .500 or better: 15-20
Records vs. teams under .500: 22-8

59 of their remaining 97 games are against teams currently playing at .500 or above.
Then take a closer look. If you want to look at a stat that evaluates how the Sox play against teams that are .500 or better and below .500 it makes more sense to look at those teams' records vs teams other than the Sox. Otherwise, a Sox victory denigrates the achievement by making the opponent worse and vice versa.

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Team   Opp Rec non-Sox  Sox rec
NYY     34-24  (.586)    1-4
MIN     32-27  (.542)    2-1
TBR     32-29  (.525)    4-3
TEX     32-30  (.516)    3-0
MIL     33-31  (.516)    1-2
TOR     31-31  (.500)    2-1
CHC     31-31  (.500)    2-1
SEA     32-32  (.500)    2-1
BAL     25-26  (.490)    6-7
STL     30-32  (.484)    2-0
PIT     30-33  (.476)    3-0
DET     26-31  (.456)    3-4
CHW     27-34  (.443)    2-1
OAK     24-37  (.393)    1-3
PHI     21-40  (.344)    3-0
So where does that leave them? Against teams at .500 or above vs other opponents the Sox are 17-13 (.567) and against those below .500 they're 20-15 (.571)

Put another way, in the 30 games they've played against teams .500 or better against everyone else an average team would have won 14.2 games - so they've exceeded the average by 2.8. In the 35 games against teams with a losing record against others an average team would have won 19.1 games so they exceeded the average by 0.9. So yes, their slate of opponents has been weak so far (a collective 28 games under .500 or .485 vs other opponents) and so an average team with their schedule would have achieved a record of 33.3-31.7 (.512), but they've actually performed better against the winning teams than the losing teams in posting their .569 win pct (notwithstanding the putrid 1-4 record vs the MFY).
 

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Given the lack of SP depth in Pawtucket, I think the FO should go after Tom Koehler of the Marlins. He's had a rocky start to the season(7.04 ERA in almost 40 IP, 6.65 FIP) and just came off the DL with a slight shoulder issue. After coming off the DL, he was optioned to AAA. However, he's averaged almost 175 IP at a 4.35 ERA the last 3 big league seasons. With Johnson down, Koehler would be a big upgrade on Hector Velasquez, Henry Owens, and whoever else is an option to spot start. He's got 1 year of arbitration left as well.
 

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Given the lack of SP depth in Pawtucket, I think the FO should go after Tom Koehler of the Marlins. He's had a rocky start to the season(7.04 ERA in almost 40 IP, 6.65 FIP) and just came off the DL with a slight shoulder issue. After coming off the DL, he was optioned to AAA. However, he's averaged almost 175 IP at a 4.35 ERA the last 3 big league seasons. With Johnson down, Koehler would be a big upgrade on Hector Velasquez, Henry Owens, and whoever else is an option to spot start. He's got 1 year of arbitration left as well.
Is he available for free? He had a peak era+ of 97 in '14, then 93, 92 before this year's 59, with peripherals to match. I'd rather give Kendrick and Velasquez some more rope than spend resources for that.
 

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Is he available for free? He had a peak era+ of 97 in '14, then 93, 92 before this year's 59, with peripherals to match. I'd rather give Kendrick and Velasquez some more rope than spend resources for that.
The asking price is not going to be much and I don't think you realize how bad Kendrick has been since '12. ERA+ of 80, 81, and 73 with Colorado in 13-15 and he hasn't even been worthy of a major league roster spot for much of the last 2 seasons. Given what Kendrick looked like in his 2 starts, I'm not interested in giving him any more rope. Velazquez doesn't have a track record either. In terms of being your 6th or 7th starter, Koehler is not a bad option. He eats innings up at close to a league average rate. He needs to bounce back from his struggles this year however.
 

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The asking price is not going to be much and I don't think you realize how bad Kendrick has been since '12. ERA+ of 80, 81, and 73 with Colorado in 13-15 and he hasn't even been worthy of a major league roster spot for much of the last 2 seasons. Given what Kendrick looked like in his 2 starts, I'm not interested in giving him any more rope. Velazquez doesn't have a track record either. In terms of being your 6th or 7th starter, Koehler is not a bad option. He eats innings up at close to a league average rate. He needs to bounce back from his struggles this year however.
What incentive do the Marlins have to sell low on him?
 

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ERod threw a bullpen today. It went well. Could signal he'll be back sooner than later. Maybe it's a bit premature to go fishing in Miami for a mediocre at best pitcher who isn't even in the big leagues at present.