Does it predate the Sonics leaving? Otherwise it's not a conflict of interest.Paul Allen owned the Blazers and Seahawks. I believe the family still does.
Does it predate the Sonics leaving? Otherwise it's not a conflict of interest.Paul Allen owned the Blazers and Seahawks. I believe the family still does.
By about a decade, yes.Does it predate the Sonics leaving? Otherwise it's not a conflict of interest.
i 2nd thisJohn Henry should spend all his money making the Penguins a strong, competitive team. Really pump up the value of his investment.
Just good business.
I liked the original wording. Because after leaving Pittsburgh for Hartford, GM Eddie Johnston stripped the Whalers of two key players in Ron Francis and Ulf Samuelson (heart and soul of the franchise), shipped them off to Pittsburgh, and then left Hartford to become GM of Pittsburgh. As others have alluded to in their posts.He should move the team so Hartford can have an NHL team again
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Josh Harris and others own the Sixers and Devils. And Crystal Palace. They were looking into buying the Mets before Cohen. They’re pretty much trying to do something similar as Fenway Sports Group with their HBSE entity.Does anyone else own 2 franchises from 2 different locations similar to this? I'm pretty sure the NFL doesn't allow it unless it's in the same city.
Because you knew who wouldI wasn't going to say it.
NHL has a salary cap and a salary floor, there isn't really that much they can do to splurge when they'd be spending it anyway.This is awful for boston sports. When the sox dont spend for whatever help they need and pittsburgh splurges in FA... ugh.
I predict 0.0% chance of this happening.This is awful for boston sports. When the sox dont spend for whatever help they need and pittsburgh splurges in FA... ugh.
But a 50000000% chance of every single move that fans dont like being attributed to it.I predict 0.0% chance of this happening.
As cool as having a team move to Hartford would be, it seems pretty unlikely that it will be Pittsburgh in the near future. Their current arena is 12 years old and they signed a 30 year lease agreement with Pittsburgh as part of the deal.He should move the team so Hartford can have an NHL team again
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I haven’t followed hockey since I was a kid, and I’m obviously not following the Penguins. But, there are a few interesting dynamics at play.As cool as having a team move to Hartford would be, it seems pretty unlikely that it will be Pittsburgh in the near future. Their current arena is 12 years old and they signed a 30 year lease agreement with Pittsburgh as part of the deal.
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An NHL team spending like drunken sailors in free agency will come in less than or close to, say, the annual value of the Eduardo Rodriguez contract. It's pocket change compared to MLB salaries.This is awful for boston sports. When the sox dont spend for whatever help they need and pittsburgh splurges in FA... ugh.
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First cousin to "My name is Karen".Hey, nice NE Aquarium commercial reference!
Anyone who was alive and sentient in the early 90s knows how bitterly those Bruins-Penguins playoff series were fought.It's not like they're buying the Scabs or (to pick another sport) the Jets or Colts or (to pick another sport) the Lakers or Sixers.
While this is technically true, it's literally only because the NFL has a rule about owning other major league sports teams in different NFL citiesI’m pretty sure Stan Kroenke’s wife owns the Avalanche. Daddy founded Walmart.
Kroenke bought the Avalanche and he bought the Nuggets. Ann is just a convenient shell company, for lack of a better word.Stan Kroenke purchased full ownership in the St. Louis Rams of the National Football League (NFL) in 2010. Since the NFL does not allow its owners to hold majority control of major-league teams in other NFL cities, Kroenke turned over day-to-day control of the Denver Nuggets and Avalanche to his son Josh toward the end of 2010. Kroenke had to sell his controlling interest in both teams by 2014.
I grew up in Connecticut, so it gives me no pleasure at all to say that Hartford will never have another NHL teamAs cool as having a team move to Hartford would be, it seems pretty unlikely that it will be Pittsburgh in the near future. Their current arena is 12 years old and they signed a 30 year lease agreement with Pittsburgh as part of the deal.
Not saying these things can’t be negotiated, but seems pretty unlikely the Penguins will be relocating anywhere anytime soon.
That used to be true. Jack Kent Cooke had to sell the Lakers to buy the Redskins. Looks like the rule -- or at least the latest version -- changed in 2018.Does anyone else own 2 franchises from 2 different locations similar to this? I'm pretty sure the NFL doesn't allow it unless it's in the same city.
Looking forward to the announcement that the Pittsburgh Penguins will be moving to Worcester, who will build a new stadium called Polar Arena for the team in Main South. The marketing possibilities are endless!As cool as having a team move to Hartford would be, it seems pretty unlikely that it will be Pittsburgh in the near future. Their current arena is 12 years old and they signed a 30 year lease agreement with Pittsburgh as part of the deal.
Not saying these things can’t be negotiated, but seems pretty unlikely the Penguins will be relocating anywhere anytime soon.
It's fun to hear what your voice really sounds like.First cousin to "My name is Karen".
Was at the Museum of Science with my kids a few years ago, could not find this exhibit. Or the one that explains ocean waves. Was pissed.It's fun to hear what your voice really sounds like.
Courage!What does, in fact, make an ocean wave wave?
Leaving aside whether the market is big enough (it’s borderline), I don’t know where you’d put the arena. Downtown Hartford has declined to the point where I don’t think it’s a viable site. The Buckland Hills area of Manchester has the infrastructure, but is too far from the affluent suburbs west of Hartford where you’d need to find the bulk of your season-ticket holders. Somewhere around Farmington would be ideal, but I don’t think there’s a suitable piece of land to be had.I grew up in Connecticut, so it gives me no pleasure at all to say that Hartford will never have another NHL team
The little girl in the NE Aquarium commercial was ALSO named Karen.First cousin to "My name is Karen".
Tear down XL and rebuild?Leaving aside whether the market is big enough (it’s borderline), I don’t know where you’d put the arena. Downtown Hartford has declined to the point where I don’t think it’s a viable site. The Buckland Hills area of Manchester has the infrastructure, but is too far from the affluent suburbs west of Hartford where you’d need to find the bulk of your season-ticket holders. Somewhere around Farmington would be ideal, but I don’t think there’s a suitable piece of land to be had.
This is mind blowing. I have no idea how I never made this connection. And yes, I did just check to see if it was the same Karen in both commercials (it is not).The little girl in the NE Aquarium commercial was ALSO named Karen.
I'm sure there is a mall in the area they can tack it onto.Leaving aside whether the market is big enough (it’s borderline), I don’t know where you’d put the arena. Downtown Hartford has declined to the point where I don’t think it’s a viable site. The Buckland Hills area of Manchester has the infrastructure, but is too far from the affluent suburbs west of Hartford where you’d need to find the bulk of your season-ticket holders. Somewhere around Farmington would be ideal, but I don’t think there’s a suitable piece of land to be had.
In the big picture, the Red Sox already ARE a direct competitor to the Bruins (their NESN partnership notwithstanding).Anyone who was alive and sentient in the early 90s knows how bitterly those Bruins-Penguins playoff series were fought.
I don't like this. I don't like the Penguins. I don't like that the Red Sox ownership is now going to own a direct competitor to the Bruins. It sucks.
This pisses me off.In the big picture, the Red Sox already ARE a direct competitor to the Bruins (their NESN partnership notwithstanding).
I was in a business meeting in 2005 with a Red Sox exec on the business side, and he said; “We compete daily with one of the best run, most successful sports organizations on earth”, to which my boss at the time replied, “Yeah, the Yankees are tough”…
To which the Red Sox exec laughed and replied; “I don’t mean the Yankees, I’m talking about the Patriots…”
So what happens when the C's and Bruins play on the same night? They are competing for the same eyeballs.This pisses me off.
The Red Sox are not competing with the Patriots; most people follow both teams. Unless the Red Sox official meant that the Patriots' unprecedented success put extra pressure on the Sox to perform well.....which is the way it should be. The local teams should ALWAYS support each others' successes, and having the Sox and Pats drop the puck at a Bruins game, for example, strengthens the local community ties between the clubs.
The local teams are NOT in competition with each other. Fans follow all of them and there is considerable overlap there.
Exactly. The local teams all compete for fans in the stands, fans watching on TV, advertising dollars, news coverage, etc, etc, etcSo what happens when the C's and Bruins play on the same night? They are competing for the same eyeballs.
So what? They ought to play their best and win games. That will get plenty of eyeballs.So what happens when the C's and Bruins play on the same night? They are competing for the same eyeballs.
I was blown away too.This is mind blowing. I have no idea how I never made this connection. And yes, I did just check to see if it was the same Karen in both commercials (it is not).
Wait a second, of course the Red Sox are in competition with the Patriots. And the Celtics. And the Bruins. And the MCU. And Netflix. And xBox. And Playstation. And Star Wars. And HBOGo. And Disney+. The average consumer has X amount of money to spend on entertainment, if the Red Sox don't provide that entertainment, most people will go elsewhere. There are so many reasons NOT to watch a team, every team is always in direct competition to have that spotlight on them, that all-important buzz to themselves.This pisses me off.
The Red Sox are not competing with the Patriots; most people follow both teams. Unless the Red Sox official meant that the Patriots' unprecedented success put extra pressure on the Sox to perform well.....which is the way it should be. The local teams should ALWAYS support each others' successes, and having the Sox and Pats drop the puck at a Bruins game, for example, strengthens the local community ties between the clubs.
The local teams are NOT in competition with each other. Fans follow all of them and there is considerable overlap there.
“Perform well” means a lot of different things. There’s field-of-play perform well, but there’s so many other areas on the business side where a sports org needs to “perform well”, and both the Kraft Group and FSG are industry leaders, building on each other’s success in a competitive way - to the benefit of all New England sports fans.This pisses me off.
The Red Sox are not competing with the Patriots; most people follow both teams. Unless the Red Sox official meant that the Patriots' unprecedented success put extra pressure on the Sox to perform well.....which is the way it should be. The local teams should ALWAYS support each others' successes, and having the Sox and Pats drop the puck at a Bruins game, for example, strengthens the local community ties between the clubs.
The local teams are NOT in competition with each other. Fans follow all of them and there is considerable overlap there.
Yes, but both discretionary dollars and minutes are finite.So what? They ought to play their best and win games. That will get plenty of eyeballs.
And it's easier than ever to follow two games at once with streaming or other services.
The whole question reeks of outdated thinking. It's unacceptable to me to have the local teams at each other's throats. Win games. Support the other teams. The fans follow all of them.
Every single time any person decides to buy a ticket to a game or buy an article of clothing supporting a team or watch a game or even read an article on a team website or social media post (to a much lesser extent) the local teams are competing with each other. They're actually probably more relevant competitors with each other than you seem to think the Bruins and Penguins are.This pisses me off.
The Red Sox are not competing with the Patriots; most people follow both teams. Unless the Red Sox official meant that the Patriots' unprecedented success put extra pressure on the Sox to perform well.....which is the way it should be. The local teams should ALWAYS support each others' successes, and having the Sox and Pats drop the puck at a Bruins game, for example, strengthens the local community ties between the clubs.
The local teams are NOT in competition with each other. Fans follow all of them and there is considerable overlap there.
This all started with someone quoting what a Red Sox executive said 16 years ago. Times have certainly changed since then. Worth noting also that that time period coincides with the "Monster" that Seth Mnookin wrote about feeding. A book that also said that the Red Sox front office at the time was intent on making front page headlines (sports section or not) 365 days a year. So yeah, it might be outdated thinking.So what? They ought to play their best and win games. That will get plenty of eyeballs.
And it's easier than ever to follow two games at once with streaming or other services.
The whole question reeks of outdated thinking. It's unacceptable to me to have the local teams at each other's throats. Win games. Support the other teams. The fans follow all of them.
Prior to it being sold, and also having water isssues, I always thought the old Uconn campus in WH would’ve been an ideal spot. Close to blueback/ WH center, and a stones throw from the Farmington valley. Would’ve attracted major interest.Leaving aside whether the market is big enough (it’s borderline), I don’t know where you’d put the arena. Downtown Hartford has declined to the point where I don’t think it’s a viable site. The Buckland Hills area of Manchester has the infrastructure, but is too far from the affluent suburbs west of Hartford where you’d need to find the bulk of your season-ticket holders. Somewhere around Farmington would be ideal, but I don’t think there’s a suitable piece of land to be had.