FIBA World Cup 2023

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Team USA so far.
View: https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1672612504483033089

Team USA roster for 2023 FIBA World Cup per reports: Paolo Banchero Mikal Bridges Jalen Brunson Anthony Edwards Tyrese Haliburton Brandon Ingram Jaren Jackson Jr. Cam Johnson Walker Kessler Bobby Portis Austin Reaves One more player to get to 12-man roster.

Tourney dates: Fri, Aug 25, 2023 - Sun, Sep 10, 2023 located in the Philippines/Japan/Indonesia

Groups: https://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2023/groups
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Fun roster, they will probably need another traditional PG besides Haliburton if I was to pick the last guy.
 

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Fun roster, kind of like an advanced version of summer league (plus Bobby Portis for some reason). And, yes, echoing the relief that no Cs players are on the roster (they don't really have anyone in the "starting-caliber but not superstar, relatively young player" mold anyway that would seem to fit this roster construction other than I guess TimeLord and I sure as hell don't want him playing any added minutes).
 

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Canadian roster projected by a reporter who claims inside info Canada actually needs to qualify for the Olympics
https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/article/canadians-abroad-roundup-projecting-a-12-man-roster-for-the-2023-world-cup/

Starters: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Jamal Murray, RJ Barrett, Kelly Olynyk, Dwight Powell

Bench: Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Lu Dort, Dillon Brooks, Bennedict Mathurin, Thomas Scrubb

Depth: Cory Joseph, Zach Edey
Anytime a country can send a group of guys that could resemble an actual competent NBA team, you know they're gonna be a tough out. They could use Wiggins, but that's a pretty good group.
 

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Canadian roster projected by a reporter who claims inside info Canada actually needs to qualify for the Olympics
https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/article/canadians-abroad-roundup-projecting-a-12-man-roster-for-the-2023-world-cup/

Starters: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Jamal Murray, RJ Barrett, Kelly Olynyk, Dwight Powell

Bench: Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Lu Dort, Dillon Brooks, Bennedict Mathurin, Thomas Scrubb

Depth: Cory Joseph, Zach Edey
I had no idea like 90% of those guys were Canadian.
 

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Anytime a country can send a group of guys that could resemble an actual competent NBA team, you know they're gonna be a tough out. They could use Wiggins, but that's a pretty good group.
Yeah, only one scrubb on the team. Badooom boom

I am probably biased against Barrett, but I would start Brooks or Mathurin over him.

Very decent backcourt there on Canada, too.
 

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Israel didn't qualify for the World Cup. France has yet to announce its lineup, as best I can tell. Given the talent in that country, I'd be surprised if Begarin made the cut, but who knows?
 

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Fun roster, kind of like an advanced version of summer league (plus Bobby Portis for some reason). And, yes, echoing the relief that no Cs players are on the roster (they don't really have anyone in the "starting-caliber but not superstar, relatively young player" mold anyway that would seem to fit this roster construction other than I guess TimeLord and I sure as hell don't want him playing any added minutes).
I was thinking same thing....which one doesn't seem like the rest.
 

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Since the first games aren't till August 25th, I wouldn't expect to see final rosters until a month prior, at the earliest.

I'm personally very excited for this tournament, I've watched them since watching Kevin Durant single-handedly destroy the entire world in 2010.

Some notes:

(1) Qualifiers drama: Argentina, reigning FIBA silver medallists, 4th-ranked team in the world and participants in 9 straight FIBA World Cups, somehow didn't qualify. In the Americas qualifiers, they dropped a game to Venezuela in the first round which carried over, and in the 2nd round they split with Canada and then lost to Dominican Republic twice, eliminating them on tiebreakers with Venezuela in the group and then another tiebreaker with Brazil for best 4th-placed team. The US's mostly NCAA-and-G-League roster dropped both their games to Brazil (and also lost to Mexico), which enabled the Brazilian team to climb back into contention themselves and ultimately make it. I'm very happy for Mexico though, too, since they didn't qualify last time around and are expected to send a mostly-domestic roster.

South Korea (#38) also tried to postpone some of their qualifiers due to players getting covid, and were instead kicked out.

The only African team in the world top 20, Nigeria at #19, failed to make it out of African qualifiers. As did reigning African champ and 3-time defending qualifier Tunisia (#21), who dropped two 1st-round games to South Sudan (!) and ended up 6-6 and well off qualification pace. South Sudan somehow ultimately went 11-1 at the tournament and qualified. In fact, the top 3 African teams didn't qualify, instead sending Angola (#41), Ivory Coast (#42), Egypt (#55), South Sudan (#62) and Cape Verde (#64), who comprise 5 of the 6 lowest-ranked teams who qualified for the tournament (amid #43 Lebanon). Who knows what to expect from them, really. We know Nigeria had a legit NBA roster to send, but I have no idea who the rest of them can field.


(2) Roster strength: As noted above, final rosters won't be in for a while, but it's worth observing some of the NBA-level talent that different countries can field. For example, most of the best African players would be on a Nigeria team who, as noted, couldn't get enough help to qualify. Who's left for rosters from teams outside the top 20?

- Atlanta's Bruno Fernando, for Angola (#41)
- Real Madrid's Edy Tavares, for Cape Verde (#64), formerly of Atlanta and Cleveland
- The Lakers' Mo Bamba, for Ivory Coast (#42), who has really fallen off the NBA map since having, like, rap songs made about him
- Boston's Al Horford, for Dominican Republic (#23). As much as we might freak out about it, he didn't play in 2014 or 2019 and might think it cool this time around, but I'd say it's unlikely he'll agree.
- Minnesota's Karl-Anthony Towns, for Dominican Republic (#23), seems much more likely to give it a roll for the DR. He, uh, didn't have as much wear-and-tear in the playoffs as Average Al did.
- Boston's Kristaps Porzingis, for Latvia (#29), who's played for them before. So has Dallas' Davis Bertans for that matter.
- Utah's Lauri Markkanen, for Finland (#24), should be expected as he's played for them at every opportunity
- Lakers' Rui Hachimura, for Japan (#36), backed up by Brooklyn's Yuta Watanabe (and UConn's Gavin Edwards!).
- Memphis's Steven Adams, for New Zealand (#26). The Nets' GM Sean Marks is also a Kiwi and was the first New Zealander to play in the NBA, though I'm not sure at 47 he's going to suit up again. Same with Beirut-born 57yo Steve Kerr for Lebanon, while I'm at it.
- Orlando's Goga Bitadze, for Georgia (#32), alongside San Antonio's Sandro Mamukelashvili. Their team might lose to the state of Georgia, but they have good depth for a less prominent national team, fielding a bunch of guys in Spain's Liga ACB. I'd expect both NBAers to play.

(and probably a bunch that I'm missing)

You can definitely analyze roster strength by looking at the tiers of leagues that they play in, so once most of those rosters come in I'll do a little breakdown. But at least 10 teams or so can field legit rotations of NBA players, and you can stretch that to 15 or so if you include Liga ACB and EuroLeague teams. Some teams are more of a mystery because they're all-domestic, like Egypt, and so it's hard to assess how much mutual familiarity and playing time together can make up for any deficits in athleticism and skill.


(3) Better Know a Host: The tournament is principally in the Philippines (hosts all QFs-and-up, with earlier round games also hosted by Japan and Indonesia). That's a country many basketball fans may not recall being hoops-mad... but it is. Those who've heard of it in connection to basketball likely recall that it's the site of that sweet mural-laden urban basketball court in a tenement in Manila, which awed Lebron James when he played a Nike-backed game there in 2015. They repaint it sometimes, gloriously, with icons of basketball or events, including after when Kobe Bryant Munson'd himself. Check this out about it:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeZhpc8-zfQ



(4) The Contenders: Worth listing out the Top 10 in the world and their various claims to be a favorite. Some of them have a very distinct play style when they play as a national team, which leads to things like Greece having no ideas at all on how to use Giannis, but also some very beautiful play (particularly France, imo).

#1 Spain: Defending FIBA World Cup champions and frequent olympic medallists, Spain's roster has a lot of domestic players (which is no slight given their national league is #2 in the world). Many of them are ex-NBA as well, e.g. Real Madrid's Rudy Fernandez, amid some current ones like the Hernangomez brothers or Ricky Rubio. Joe Mazzulla would love them, as they're all about the outside shooting and play a very switch-y defense.

#2 USA: Needs no introduction. I'll just say we're lucky Paolo Banchero didn't choose to play for Italy. What else, uh, Tyrese Haliburton was born on Leap Day, meaning he's only 5 years old and shouldn't be age-eligible. I got nothin'. But it was damn fun rooting for Tatum, Brown, Smart and Kemba in 2019.

#3 Australia: The 2020 Olympic Bronze Medallists and 2019 FIBA 4th Place team, Australia also whomped USA's varsity roster (featuring 4 Celtics starters) in the warmups to those olympics 2 years ago. Their preliminary roster features 9 current NBAers, plus a few recent ones like Thon Maker and Dellavedova (though not Aron Baynes, sorry @benhogan ), and the non-NBAers will have jet-lag advantage since most of them play domestic or elsewhere in Asia.

#4 Argentina didn't qualify ahahahahaha

#5 France: The 2020 Olympic silver medallists and the team that knocked out the USA last World Cup can now feature Victor Wembanyama playing at the 4 (!) with an actually-motivated Rudy Gobert in the middle. That should terrify literally any team in the world, I don't care who you are. Then they'll roll out Evan Fournier, Frank Ntilikina, Nicolas Batum. Will Wemby play? He wants to, but the news today is, he won't. Joel Embiid is also eligible, but nobody should bet on him agreeing.

#6 Serbia: Eternally one of the best teams in the world (winning the world cup in 1998 and 2002, silver in 2014 and the 2016 olympics), they finished 5th in 2019, but now they feature one Nikola Jokic at center. Bogdan, Boban and longtime NBAer Bjelica round out their Killer Bs, along with OKC's massive 7'0 wing Pokusevski, and the team has EuroLeague stars top to bottom. I root against the country in general due to them starting so many wars with their neighbors, but any team with Jokic will be fun to watch.

#7 Slovenia: If you've ever wondered what it would look like if Luka Doncic actually busted his ass for 48 minutes on both ends of the floor, tune in to Slovenia's games, because he will. The 2017 Euro champions (!) also have what's left of Goran Dragic, who was that tournament's MVP (with an 18yo Doncic getting plenty of run too). They are loaded with EuroLeaguers, even if their depth isn't great, but that's expected if you're a country of only 2.1M people. Makes them an easy team to root for.

#8 Lithuania: The other small-but-mighty euro team, this basketball-mad country has only 2.8M people, and yet these guys wrecked every team not named France in Euro Qualifiers. The land of Damantas Sabonis and Jonas Valanciunis has no shortage of EuroLeague stars (at Baskonia, Barcelona, and domestic superteam Zalgiris, among others), and their team likes to run.

#9 Greece: Giannis-and-friends (and brothers) have a schizophrenic sort of roster, with some very big and physical EuroLeague stars (the country has a very deep history in Euro ball). If you like rooting for teams that are less than the sum of their parts and never quite seem to put it together - and what Boston fan doesn't? - then Greece might be your team. I'm sure their general antipathy to building their tactics around 2-time NBA MVP Giannis has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that his teammates and coach are all white, which has never ever been a cultural challenge anywhere in southern Europe.

#10 Italy: Yes, Italy, somehow tenth in the world. Land of Kobe Bryant's youth and endless cultural memes, them having a licensed EuroLeague team (Olympia Milano) has led to some improved talent development and they finished 5th in the last Olympics. Their likely roster is all players who were born and raised in Italy, no Italian-Americans (or even Reggie Jackson). Led by Utah's Simone Fontecchio and whatever remains of Danilo Gallinari's basketball career, their roster is actually a lot of Milano standouts like Stefano Tonut, Nicolo Melli and Giampaolo Ricci. They managed a split with Spain in the Euro qualifiers for this tournament, with their loss only coming in OT.


Can't wait.
 

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Since the first games aren't till August 25th, I wouldn't expect to see final rosters until a month prior, at the earliest.

I'm personally very excited for this tournament, I've watched them since watching Kevin Durant single-handedly destroy the entire world in 2010.

Some notes:

(1) Qualifiers drama: Argentina, reigning FIBA silver medallists, 4th-ranked team in the world and participants in 9 straight FIBA World Cups, somehow didn't qualify. In the Americas qualifiers, they dropped a game to Venezuela in the first round which carried over, and in the 2nd round they split with Canada and then lost to Dominican Republic twice, eliminating them on tiebreakers with Venezuela in the group and then another tiebreaker with Brazil for best 4th-placed team. The US's mostly NCAA-and-G-League roster dropped both their games to Brazil (and also lost to Mexico), which enabled the Brazilian team to climb back into contention themselves and ultimately make it. I'm very happy for Mexico though, too, since they didn't qualify last time around and are expected to send a mostly-domestic roster.

South Korea (#38) also tried to postpone some of their qualifiers due to players getting covid, and were instead kicked out.

The only African team in the world top 20, Nigeria at #19, failed to make it out of African qualifiers. As did reigning African champ and 3-time defending qualifier Tunisia (#21), who dropped two 1st-round games to South Sudan (!) and ended up 6-6 and well off qualification pace. South Sudan somehow ultimately went 11-1 at the tournament and qualified. In fact, the top 3 African teams didn't qualify, instead sending Angola (#41), Ivory Coast (#42), Egypt (#55), South Sudan (#62) and Cape Verde (#64), who comprise 5 of the 6 lowest-ranked teams who qualified for the tournament (amid #43 Lebanon). Who knows what to expect from them, really. We know Nigeria had a legit NBA roster to send, but I have no idea who the rest of them can field.


(2) Roster strength: As noted above, final rosters won't be in for a while, but it's worth observing some of the NBA-level talent that different countries can field. For example, most of the best African players would be on a Nigeria team who, as noted, couldn't get enough help to qualify. Who's left for rosters from teams outside the top 20?

- Atlanta's Bruno Fernando, for Angola (#41)
- Real Madrid's Edy Tavares, for Cape Verde (#64), formerly of Atlanta and Cleveland
- The Lakers' Mo Bamba, for Ivory Coast (#42), who has really fallen off the NBA map since having, like, rap songs made about him
- Boston's Al Horford, for Dominican Republic (#23). As much as we might freak out about it, he didn't play in 2014 or 2019 and might think it cool this time around, but I'd say it's unlikely he'll agree.
- Minnesota's Karl-Anthony Towns, for Dominican Republic (#23), seems much more likely to give it a roll for the DR. He, uh, didn't have as much wear-and-tear in the playoffs as Average Al did.
- Boston's Kristaps Porzingis, for Latvia (#29), who's played for them before. So has Dallas' Davis Bertans for that matter.
- Utah's Lauri Markkanen, for Finland (#24), should be expected as he's played for them at every opportunity
- Lakers' Rui Hachimura, for Japan (#36), backed up by Brooklyn's Yuta Watanabe (and UConn's Gavin Edwards!).
- Memphis's Steven Adams, for New Zealand (#26). The Nets' GM Sean Marks is also a Kiwi and was the first New Zealander to play in the NBA, though I'm not sure at 47 he's going to suit up again. Same with Beirut-born 57yo Steve Kerr for Lebanon, while I'm at it.
- Orlando's Goga Bitadze, for Georgia (#32), alongside San Antonio's Sandro Mamukelashvili. Their team might lose to the state of Georgia, but they have good depth for a less prominent national team, fielding a bunch of guys in Spain's Liga ACB. I'd expect both NBAers to play.

(and probably a bunch that I'm missing)

You can definitely analyze roster strength by looking at the tiers of leagues that they play in, so once most of those rosters come in I'll do a little breakdown. But at least 10 teams or so can field legit rotations of NBA players, and you can stretch that to 15 or so if you include Liga ACB and EuroLeague teams. Some teams are more of a mystery because they're all-domestic, like Egypt, and so it's hard to assess how much mutual familiarity and playing time together can make up for any deficits in athleticism and skill.


(3) Better Know a Host: The tournament is principally in the Philippines (hosts all QFs-and-up, with earlier round games also hosted by Japan and Indonesia). That's a country many basketball fans may not recall being hoops-mad... but it is. Those who've heard of it in connection to basketball likely recall that it's the site of that sweet mural-laden urban basketball court in a tenement in Manila, which awed Lebron James when he played a Nike-backed game there in 2015. They repaint it sometimes, gloriously, with icons of basketball or events, including after when Kobe Bryant Munson'd himself. Check this out about it:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeZhpc8-zfQ



(4) The Contenders: Worth listing out the Top 10 in the world and their various claims to be a favorite. Some of them have a very distinct play style when they play as a national team, which leads to things like Greece having no ideas at all on how to use Giannis, but also some very beautiful play (particularly France, imo).

#1 Spain: Defending FIBA World Cup champions and frequent olympic medallists, Spain's roster has a lot of domestic players (which is no slight given their national league is #2 in the world). Many of them are ex-NBA as well, e.g. Real Madrid's Rudy Fernandez, amid some current ones like the Hernangomez brothers or Ricky Rubio. Joe Mazzulla would love them, as they're all about the outside shooting and play a very switch-y defense.

#2 USA: Needs no introduction. I'll just say we're lucky Paolo Banchero didn't choose to play for Italy. What else, uh, Tyrese Haliburton was born on Leap Day, meaning he's only 5 years old and shouldn't be age-eligible. I got nothin'. But it was damn fun rooting for Tatum, Brown, Smart and Kemba in 2019.

#3 Australia: The 2020 Olympic Bronze Medallists and 2019 FIBA 4th Place team, Australia also whomped USA's varsity roster (featuring 4 Celtics starters) in the warmups to those olympics 2 years ago. Their preliminary roster features 9 current NBAers, plus a few recent ones like Thon Maker and Dellavedova (though not Aron Baynes, sorry @benhogan ), and the non-NBAers will have jet-lag advantage since most of them play domestic or elsewhere in Asia.

#4 Argentina didn't qualify ahahahahaha

#5 France: The 2020 Olympic silver medallists and the team that knocked out the USA last World Cup can now feature Victor Wembanyama playing at the 4 (!) with an actually-motivated Rudy Gobert in the middle. That should terrify literally any team in the world, I don't care who you are. Then they'll roll out Evan Fournier, Frank Ntilikina, Nicolas Batum. Will Wemby play? He wants to, but the news today is, he won't. Joel Embiid is also eligible, but nobody should bet on him agreeing.

#6 Serbia: Eternally one of the best teams in the world (winning the world cup in 1998 and 2002, silver in 2014 and the 2016 olympics), they finished 5th in 2019, but now they feature one Nikola Jokic at center. Bogdan, Boban and longtime NBAer Bjelica round out their Killer Bs, along with OKC's massive 7'0 wing Pokusevski, and the team has EuroLeague stars top to bottom. I root against the country in general due to them starting so many wars with their neighbors, but any team with Jokic will be fun to watch.

#7 Slovenia: If you've ever wondered what it would look like if Luka Doncic actually busted his ass for 48 minutes on both ends of the floor, tune in to Slovenia's games, because he will. The 2017 Euro champions (!) also have what's left of Goran Dragic, who was that tournament's MVP (with an 18yo Doncic getting plenty of run too). They are loaded with EuroLeaguers, even if their depth isn't great, but that's expected if you're a country of only 2.1M people. Makes them an easy team to root for.

#8 Lithuania: The other small-but-mighty euro team, this basketball-mad country has only 2.8M people, and yet these guys wrecked every team not named France in Euro Qualifiers. The land of Damantas Sabonis and Jonas Valanciunis has no shortage of EuroLeague stars (at Baskonia, Barcelona, and domestic superteam Zalgiris, among others), and their team likes to run.

#9 Greece: Giannis-and-friends (and brothers) have a schizophrenic sort of roster, with some very big and physical EuroLeague stars (the country has a very deep history in Euro ball). If you like rooting for teams that are less than the sum of their parts and never quite seem to put it together - and what Boston fan doesn't? - then Greece might be your team. I'm sure their general antipathy to building their tactics around 2-time NBA MVP Giannis has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that his teammates and coach are all white, which has never ever been a cultural challenge anywhere in southern Europe.

#10 Italy: Yes, Italy, somehow tenth in the world. Land of Kobe Bryant's youth and endless cultural memes, them having a licensed EuroLeague team (Olympia Milano) has led to some improved talent development and they finished 5th in the last Olympics. Their likely roster is all players who were born and raised in Italy, no Italian-Americans (or even Reggie Jackson). Led by Utah's Simone Fontecchio and whatever remains of Danilo Gallinari's basketball career, their roster is actually a lot of Milano standouts like Stefano Tonut, Nicolo Melli and Giampaolo Ricci. They managed a split with Spain in the Euro qualifiers for this tournament, with their loss only coming in OT.


Can't wait.
YOu think if Canada sends the Roster I posted they don't crack the top ten?
 

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YOu think if Canada sends the Roster I posted they don't crack the top ten?
Sure, I think they'd be in the mix, probably not among the top couple favorites. I was just going through the Top 10 of the rankings (Canada is 15th), to illustrate the depth the rest-of-world has today.

Most of those names haven't played for Canada before, though, if I'm not mistaken. Only Cory Joseph and Scrubb were on the 2019 roster, and the 2020 roster which failed to make the Olympics had Barrett, Bennett, NAW, Dort, Powell and Wiggins. SGA, Murray, Olynyk and Brooks would appear to be newcomers, though perhaps you know of something they've played in? Nobody important played at the 2022 AmeriCup. But they could certainly gel enough over a training camp to make some noise at the final tournament, unless Murray is just exhausted from his title run.

The warm-up campaign for Canada is decent but also might be a little light for a team if they have big ambitions. You look at the announced prep games, the USA is playing Spain (1) and Slovenia (7), and then Germany (11) and Greece (9) - all of them top-11 teams. Canada, meanwhile, will play Germany (11) in a friendly on 8/9, then will play New Zealand (26) and then either Germany (11) or China (27) on 8/12-13, followed by Spain (#1) and DR (23) on 8/17-18. That's 2.5 legit games, but assume you get rolled by Spain - how do you know where you're at otherwise? If they bring that full roster you posted (SGA seems widely confirmed, dunno about the others), and then stomp Germany twice and then give Spain all they can handle, I'll join you in calling them a legit contender.

Those warmup game losses in 2021 against Australia were the first signs that the USA was just waiting for a real test in order to crack, and sure enough, France basically undid them by putting enough strength on the floor and pushing the Jays around. So I dunno how many of those games I'll actually watch, but I'll probably at least catch highlights of a bunch of the top teams, just to see who's gelling and who's looking shaky.

(EDIT: Everyone, in fact, should feel free to post videos of the tune-up games throughout August in this thread - it'll be some nice ways for us to hype things up in the dead of the basketball summer)
 
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YOu think if Canada sends the Roster I posted they don't crack the top ten?
Since the first games aren't till August 25th, I wouldn't expect to see final rosters until a month prior, at the earliest.

I'm personally very excited for this tournament, I've watched them since watching Kevin Durant single-handedly destroy the entire world in 2010.

Some notes:

(1) Qualifiers drama: Argentina, reigning FIBA silver medallists, 4th-ranked team in the world and participants in 9 straight FIBA World Cups, somehow didn't qualify. In the Americas qualifiers, they dropped a game to Venezuela in the first round which carried over, and in the 2nd round they split with Canada and then lost to Dominican Republic twice, eliminating them on tiebreakers with Venezuela in the group and then another tiebreaker with Brazil for best 4th-placed team. The US's mostly NCAA-and-G-League roster dropped both their games to Brazil (and also lost to Mexico), which enabled the Brazilian team to climb back into contention themselves and ultimately make it. I'm very happy for Mexico though, too, since they didn't qualify last time around and are expected to send a mostly-domestic roster.

South Korea (#38) also tried to postpone some of their qualifiers due to players getting covid, and were instead kicked out.

The only African team in the world top 20, Nigeria at #19, failed to make it out of African qualifiers. As did reigning African champ and 3-time defending qualifier Tunisia (#21), who dropped two 1st-round games to South Sudan (!) and ended up 6-6 and well off qualification pace. South Sudan somehow ultimately went 11-1 at the tournament and qualified. In fact, the top 3 African teams didn't qualify, instead sending Angola (#41), Ivory Coast (#42), Egypt (#55), South Sudan (#62) and Cape Verde (#64), who comprise 5 of the 6 lowest-ranked teams who qualified for the tournament (amid #43 Lebanon). Who knows what to expect from them, really. We know Nigeria had a legit NBA roster to send, but I have no idea who the rest of them can field.


(2) Roster strength: As noted above, final rosters won't be in for a while, but it's worth observing some of the NBA-level talent that different countries can field. For example, most of the best African players would be on a Nigeria team who, as noted, couldn't get enough help to qualify. Who's left for rosters from teams outside the top 20?

- Atlanta's Bruno Fernando, for Angola (#41)
- Real Madrid's Edy Tavares, for Cape Verde (#64), formerly of Atlanta and Cleveland
- The Lakers' Mo Bamba, for Ivory Coast (#42), who has really fallen off the NBA map since having, like, rap songs made about him
- Boston's Al Horford, for Dominican Republic (#23). As much as we might freak out about it, he didn't play in 2014 or 2019 and might think it cool this time around, but I'd say it's unlikely he'll agree.
- Minnesota's Karl-Anthony Towns, for Dominican Republic (#23), seems much more likely to give it a roll for the DR. He, uh, didn't have as much wear-and-tear in the playoffs as Average Al did.
- Boston's Kristaps Porzingis, for Latvia (#29), who's played for them before. So has Dallas' Davis Bertans for that matter.
- Utah's Lauri Markkanen, for Finland (#24), should be expected as he's played for them at every opportunity
- Lakers' Rui Hachimura, for Japan (#36), backed up by Brooklyn's Yuta Watanabe (and UConn's Gavin Edwards!).
- Memphis's Steven Adams, for New Zealand (#26). The Nets' GM Sean Marks is also a Kiwi and was the first New Zealander to play in the NBA, though I'm not sure at 47 he's going to suit up again. Same with Beirut-born 57yo Steve Kerr for Lebanon, while I'm at it.
- Orlando's Goga Bitadze, for Georgia (#32), alongside San Antonio's Sandro Mamukelashvili. Their team might lose to the state of Georgia, but they have good depth for a less prominent national team, fielding a bunch of guys in Spain's Liga ACB. I'd expect both NBAers to play.

(and probably a bunch that I'm missing)

You can definitely analyze roster strength by looking at the tiers of leagues that they play in, so once most of those rosters come in I'll do a little breakdown. But at least 10 teams or so can field legit rotations of NBA players, and you can stretch that to 15 or so if you include Liga ACB and EuroLeague teams. Some teams are more of a mystery because they're all-domestic, like Egypt, and so it's hard to assess how much mutual familiarity and playing time together can make up for any deficits in athleticism and skill.


(3) Better Know a Host: The tournament is principally in the Philippines (hosts all QFs-and-up, with earlier round games also hosted by Japan and Indonesia). That's a country many basketball fans may not recall being hoops-mad... but it is. Those who've heard of it in connection to basketball likely recall that it's the site of that sweet mural-laden urban basketball court in a tenement in Manila, which awed Lebron James when he played a Nike-backed game there in 2015. They repaint it sometimes, gloriously, with icons of basketball or events, including after when Kobe Bryant Munson'd himself. Check this out about it:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeZhpc8-zfQ



(4) The Contenders: Worth listing out the Top 10 in the world and their various claims to be a favorite. Some of them have a very distinct play style when they play as a national team, which leads to things like Greece having no ideas at all on how to use Giannis, but also some very beautiful play (particularly France, imo).

#1 Spain: Defending FIBA World Cup champions and frequent olympic medallists, Spain's roster has a lot of domestic players (which is no slight given their national league is #2 in the world). Many of them are ex-NBA as well, e.g. Real Madrid's Rudy Fernandez, amid some current ones like the Hernangomez brothers or Ricky Rubio. Joe Mazzulla would love them, as they're all about the outside shooting and play a very switch-y defense.

#2 USA: Needs no introduction. I'll just say we're lucky Paolo Banchero didn't choose to play for Italy. What else, uh, Tyrese Haliburton was born on Leap Day, meaning he's only 5 years old and shouldn't be age-eligible. I got nothin'. But it was damn fun rooting for Tatum, Brown, Smart and Kemba in 2019.

#3 Australia: The 2020 Olympic Bronze Medallists and 2019 FIBA 4th Place team, Australia also whomped USA's varsity roster (featuring 4 Celtics starters) in the warmups to those olympics 2 years ago. Their preliminary roster features 9 current NBAers, plus a few recent ones like Thon Maker and Dellavedova (though not Aron Baynes, sorry @benhogan ), and the non-NBAers will have jet-lag advantage since most of them play domestic or elsewhere in Asia.

#4 Argentina didn't qualify ahahahahaha

#5 France: The 2020 Olympic silver medallists and the team that knocked out the USA last World Cup can now feature Victor Wembanyama playing at the 4 (!) with an actually-motivated Rudy Gobert in the middle. That should terrify literally any team in the world, I don't care who you are. Then they'll roll out Evan Fournier, Frank Ntilikina, Nicolas Batum. Will Wemby play? He wants to, but the news today is, he won't. Joel Embiid is also eligible, but nobody should bet on him agreeing.

#6 Serbia: Eternally one of the best teams in the world (winning the world cup in 1998 and 2002, silver in 2014 and the 2016 olympics), they finished 5th in 2019, but now they feature one Nikola Jokic at center. Bogdan, Boban and longtime NBAer Bjelica round out their Killer Bs, along with OKC's massive 7'0 wing Pokusevski, and the team has EuroLeague stars top to bottom. I root against the country in general due to them starting so many wars with their neighbors, but any team with Jokic will be fun to watch.

#7 Slovenia: If you've ever wondered what it would look like if Luka Doncic actually busted his ass for 48 minutes on both ends of the floor, tune in to Slovenia's games, because he will. The 2017 Euro champions (!) also have what's left of Goran Dragic, who was that tournament's MVP (with an 18yo Doncic getting plenty of run too). They are loaded with EuroLeaguers, even if their depth isn't great, but that's expected if you're a country of only 2.1M people. Makes them an easy team to root for.

#8 Lithuania: The other small-but-mighty euro team, this basketball-mad country has only 2.8M people, and yet these guys wrecked every team not named France in Euro Qualifiers. The land of Damantas Sabonis and Jonas Valanciunis has no shortage of EuroLeague stars (at Baskonia, Barcelona, and domestic superteam Zalgiris, among others), and their team likes to run.

#9 Greece: Giannis-and-friends (and brothers) have a schizophrenic sort of roster, with some very big and physical EuroLeague stars (the country has a very deep history in Euro ball). If you like rooting for teams that are less than the sum of their parts and never quite seem to put it together - and what Boston fan doesn't? - then Greece might be your team. I'm sure their general antipathy to building their tactics around 2-time NBA MVP Giannis has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that his teammates and coach are all white, which has never ever been a cultural challenge anywhere in southern Europe.

#10 Italy: Yes, Italy, somehow tenth in the world. Land of Kobe Bryant's youth and endless cultural memes, them having a licensed EuroLeague team (Olympia Milano) has led to some improved talent development and they finished 5th in the last Olympics. Their likely roster is all players who were born and raised in Italy, no Italian-Americans (or even Reggie Jackson). Led by Utah's Simone Fontecchio and whatever remains of Danilo Gallinari's basketball career, their roster is actually a lot of Milano standouts like Stefano Tonut, Nicolo Melli and Giampaolo Ricci. They managed a split with Spain in the Euro qualifiers for this tournament, with their loss only coming in OT.


Can't wait.
Thank you so much for the work and knowledge!
 

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Canada is in a weird spot. The NBA guys blew it at home last olympics. they have group of 30 guys that played great through the qualifying in the Americas. They had a real edge, and a core that played together. Now, once again the idea is to replace all those guys with an NBA group. Not sure what the chemistry will be like. TRhe key IMHO is Murray, not onlyu is he the best player, but he has the respect of all the other guys and is unifying leader.
 
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(3) Better Know a Host: The tournament is principally in the Philippines (hosts all QFs-and-up, with earlier round games also hosted by Japan and Indonesia). That's a country many basketball fans may not recall being hoops-mad... but it is. Those who've heard of it in connection to basketball likely recall that it's the site of that sweet mural-laden urban basketball court in a tenement in Manila, which awed Lebron James when he played a Nike-backed game there in 2015. They repaint it sometimes, gloriously, with icons of basketball or events, including after when Kobe Bryant Munson'd himself. Check this out about it:

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Wow thanks for posting. The video brings about so many questions, most of which are more suitable for V&N so I'm going to post them here.

But I do hope that at some point some of the uber-rich people of the basketball community come together and focus on more than the court but also the residents in the tenement. Seems like it shouldn't be difficult to do both.
 

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#9 Greece: Giannis-and-friends (and brothers) have a schizophrenic sort of roster, with some very big and physical EuroLeague stars (the country has a very deep history in Euro ball). If you like rooting for teams that are less than the sum of their parts and never quite seem to put it together - and what Boston fan doesn't? - then Greece might be your team. I'm sure their general antipathy to building their tactics around 2-time NBA MVP Giannis has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that his teammates and coach are all white, which has never ever been a cultural challenge anywhere in southern Europe.
Thank you for the guide, it was great. I don't follow much Greek basketball, but I am somewhat confident that the coach not utilizing Giannis well isn't a racism thing. First, Greeks love Giannis other issues with racism notwistanding.

My layman's view is that Greece's issues are mostly due to the fact that Giannis teammates aren't remotely close the same ballbark skill wise. There virtually no NBAers other than a couple of journeymen and the rest of the roster isn't the creme of the crop in the Euroleague either. During the last run in the European championship, we were throwing the cooked body of Nick Kalathes to run the point I think. Also, FIBA rules might make it easier to defend Giannis, though I could be wrong about that.

Last but not least, those tournaments are a bit of a March madness after a while. One night off during the knockouts and you are out.
 

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I am also reading Giannis has injury concerns with his knee and might elect to rest instead of playing,.
 

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Can we get Kyrie and Ben Simmons, who both were born in Melbourne, on the Australian team?
 

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If you’re an Italian fan, you must be miffed that Banchero chose the US, no?
So apparently this was in doubt as of a few days ago, because Banchero talked about maybe playing for Italy, as he already held citizenship. But he declared for the US only a few days ago.

Looking at it, he was born and raised in Seattle, never lived in Italy, one-and-done at Duke of course, then went 1/1 to Orlando. His mom played NCAAW at Washington, his dad played NCAAF there; even though his dad Mario is of Italian descent, he was apparently born in Seattle himself. So I think for him to decide to want to play for the old country, it'd have to be like a Giuseppe Rossi situation where he grew up watching Italian ball with his born-in-Italy dad on weekend mornings and just dreaming of the place.

It's a smart move to call him in by USA Basketball. Their only risk of losing him is him thinking "well I can be forever kinda in the rotation of American players to play the big tournaments, and probably shoved aside for bigger names for the Olympics... or I can be the no-doubt #1 star of the Italian team (who aren't bad!) for the next 15 years and see them rise or fall on my watch." So now he'll be tied to the USA going forward. Probably wasn't in doubt. Could an Italian fan be miffed? Maybe they'd allowed themselves to hope a bit, but it can't be any surprise.

Their energies would be better spent trying to get the aforementioned Reggie Jackson on board (though he may have renounced his Italian citizenship). Or seeing if Marco Bellinelli has anything left in the tank (he plays for Bologna now). Or recruiting dual-citizen Mike D'Antoni as coach - or better yet, Geno Auriemma, who actually lived in Italy until he was 7.

If they wanted to go all-in on Americans of Italian heritage, perusing the list suggests they should pursue:

- Philly-born Ryan Arcidiacono... who might have actually represented Italy before? Can't get a definite answer on that.
- Alex Caruso? No idea if he's filed to have his dual-citizenship recognized, but he's got the surname at least. Googling his family background is hard because Los Angeles real estate billionaire Rick Caruso has a son named Alex.
- Donte DiVincenzo apparently sought an Italian passport in 2018 and was still trying to get it sorted in mid-2021, and as someone who has been pursuing Italian citizenship for several years now, I know how he feels.
 

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Thank you for the guide, it was great. I don't follow much Greek basketball, but I am somewhat confident that the coach not utilizing Giannis well isn't a racism thing. First, Greeks love Giannis other issues with racism notwistanding.

My layman's view is that Greece's issues are mostly due to the fact that Giannis teammates aren't remotely close the same ballbark skill wise. There virtually no NBAers other than a couple of journeymen and the rest of the roster isn't the creme of the crop in the Euroleague either. During the last run in the European championship, we were throwing the cooked body of Nick Kalathes to run the point I think. Also, FIBA rules might make it easier to defend Giannis, though I could be wrong about that.

Last but not least, those tournaments are a bit of a March madness after a while. One night off during the knockouts and you are out.
Well I'm glad to hear that he's loved in Greece. I would have expected more of a Mario Balotelli kind of thing, so I'm very happy to have been wrong.

Having watched Greece's matches a bit in 2019, and of course every minute of USA vs Greece in the 2nd round (it was basically winner-goes-to-QFs)... well, you be the judge:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWd30hgH7CE


First play of the game is an iso for Giannis, who goes 1:1 on Harrison Barnes and gets a layup... and then the next 10 times you see him, he's just hanging out in the corner as if he's some sort of 3-point specialist. He gets a dunk on Donovan Mitchell after a nice find from the PG, he draws a double team and kicks to an open 3. Jaylen Brown drives a couple times and Giannis doesn't look like he's free to help until it's too late.

It's weird, he was a starter, but from what I recall he was rotated to basically lead the 2nd unit, he didn't play much with the starters after the tip. You'll see him make that nice pick-and-roll at 4'40" with Sloukas - who didn't start. Iso at 5'25" - he's the only starter out there. etc. So it's not like they didn't run any plays for him. But my read is, he didn't play the way that most of the other Greek stars appeared to want to play, so they basically said "fine, here's the second unit, it's your second unit, you just go out there and wreck shit whenever the starters need a breather". They also seemed to have him be the center on defense, which any NBA fan knows removes his best defensive ability (staying in front of strong wings) in favor of something he's fine-but-not-awesome at (rim protecting).

As for FIBA rules, one of the reasons I love watching FIBA ball (including the Olympics) is that they basically call fouls the way they used to do it in the NBA, which is to say, they don't call ticky-tack body contact. Yeah if you hit the shooting arm, it's free throws, but if guys touch tummies jumping under the basket, it's a play-on. Basically like half the situations where you'd say "that's a foul in the NBA", FIBA officials don't call anything. Which I think is awesome. You might think that should really favor Giannis, who can finish through contact about as well as any basketball player in the world... but in the NBA, he's getting a bunch of and-ones, or bailout calls when he misses on the drive. In FIBA he's not getting those. So maybe that's part of the answer is that he's just grifting a lot more FTs in the NBA than the FIBA refs think he deserves.
 

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Can we get Kyrie and Ben Simmons, who both were born in Melbourne, on the Australian team?
Simmons has played for Australia before, in 2013. But since then, he has been invited a number of times, but - stop me if you've heard this one before - somehow always found a reason to withdraw before the competition, including for the 2016 Olympics, the 2019 FIBA World Cup, and the 2020(1) Olympics, citing increasingly-pathetic excuses. The man just does not want to play any more basketball than he absolutely has to.

Kyrie Irving... I wish we could give him back to Australia, or to whatever planet he came from, but he won gold for the US in 2014 and 2016 and so is tied to the US.


But as long as we're roster-shipping, how about a "their country didn't make it" roster? This is always fun for soccer World Cups. Including DARKO DPM ratings, for color.

Starters:

PG Spencer Dinwiddie (Nigeria / Brooklyn Nets starter), +0.7
SG Josh Okogie (Nigeria / Phoenix Suns rotation), +0.7
SF Deni Avdija (Israel / Washington Wizards starter), -1.0
PF Chimezie Metu (Nigeria / Sacramento Kings bench), -0.3
C Jusuf Nurkic (Bosnia / Portland Trail Blazers starter), +1.5

Reserve:

PG Monte Morris (Nigeria / Washington Wizards starter), -0.1
PG Tomas Satoransky (Czechia / Barcelona, ex-4 NBA teams)
SG Leandro Bolmaro (Argentina / Tenerife, ex-TWolves, was traded for Rudy Gobert and bought out)
SG Furkan Korkmaz (Turkey / Philly 76ers rotation), -1.9
SF Gaby Deck (Argentina / Real Madrid starter, ex-OKC)
SF Cedi Osman (Turkey / Cleveland Cavaliers rotation), -0.9
SF Svi Mykhailiuk (Ukraine / Charlotte Hornets rotation), -1.0
PF Semi Ojeleye (Nigeria / Bologna, ex-3 NBA teams)
PF Dzanan Musa (Bosnia / Real Madrid starter, ex-Nets)
C Alperen Sengun (Turkey / Houston Rockets starter), -0.7
C Jan Vesely (Czechia / Barcelona, ex-Wizards), -0.8

Honorable mentions: Various Nigerians (Victor Oladipo, Gabe Vincent, Jordan Nwora, KZ Okpala, Precious Achiuwa), the entire roster of Maccabi Tel Aviv, Czechia's Vit Krejci (no relation to David), and Senegal's Gorgui Dieng.

Not bad. Can field a whole roster of NBA starters and solid rotation guys, plus a few top Euro guys who are ex-NBA.
 

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I had him on the roster for a while, but ultimately couldn't put him above the other two backups. I welcome your would-be changes.
 

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If you’re an Italian fan, you must be miffed that Banchero chose the US, no?
I'd like to amend my answer: if you're the head of the Italian basketball federation, the answer is "yes".

"Betrayal, especially in basketball, is a strong word. Situations like this happen, and personally, I'm used to it. But he fooled us, we were planning a great commercial strategy for him," Petrucci told Italian publication La Gazzetta dello Sport on Sunday.​

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No word on whether he now considers it a "vendetta".
 

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From what I have read, Banchero his never even been to Italy. The Italian basketball federation reached out to him when he was 16 with an offer to play for them, since he has Italian lineage on his father’s side, with his great great grandfather an Italian immigrant. I get that the Italians feel betrayed but they should have seen this coming after Banchero became the best player in his HS class, the number one pick, and the RoTY.

If Italy is claiming Banchero, they should also see what half the pro basketball players from Argentina are up to, since they too probably have great great grandfathers who immigrated from Italy.
 

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First time looking at these rosters. Is anyone going to beat Canada? That country is absolutely loaded! Shai, Murray, Alex-Walker, Dort, Brooks, Olynyk, Powell, Brissett, Joseph....
 

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I know everyone is talking up the Canadian team, but to me, they have two top tier guys, clearly - then it is pretty meh, IMO. SGA and Murray are incredible, but who rounds out their starting/closing 5?

Barrett, Brooks, and Olynyk? Dort, Alexander Walker, Powell? Ugh

The US has nearly similar top end talent but has a much, much deeper team. And who do they start/close with?

Brunson, Ant, Bridges, Ingram, Jackson?

I like this US team quite a bit.
 

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I know everyone is talking up the Canadian team, but to me, they have two top tier guys, clearly - then it is pretty meh, IMO. SGA and Murray are incredible, but who rounds out their starting/closing 5?

Barrett, Brooks, and Olynyk? Dort, Alexander Walker, Powell? Ugh

The US has nearly similar top end talent but has a much, much deeper team. And who do they start/close with?

Brunson, Ant, Bridges, Ingram, Jackson?

I like this US team quite a bit.
It's not perfect, but the bar (at least for me) is lower when it comes to judging national teams outside of the US:

-Are there 1-2 top level players who can score a ton?
-Is the rotation filled with NBA level players?
-Would they resemble a competent NBA team?

The answer to all three is yes, although they are a bit lacking in size (they could've really used Andrew Wiggins). Sure the US team is deeper, but if these two played, Canada might have the best player, plus another guy who is pressure tested with a history of raising his game when it counts the most. There's also something to be said for a team that knows who its best players are, something that the USA team might struggle with (seriously, who is the alpha on this year's team?). Jamal Murray has more meaningful playoff experience than anyone on Team USA, other than maybe Bobby Portis, who really shouldn't see much playing time.

That's enough for them to deserve the hype they're getting.
 

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I know everyone is talking up the Canadian team, but to me, they have two top tier guys, clearly - then it is pretty meh, IMO. SGA and Murray are incredible, but who rounds out their starting/closing 5?

Barrett, Brooks, and Olynyk? Dort, Alexander Walker, Powell? Ugh

The US has nearly similar top end talent but has a much, much deeper team. And who do they start/close with?

Brunson, Ant, Bridges, Ingram, Jackson?

I like this US team quite a bit.
Isn't that an ideal roster structure though? Two elite scoring guards who will have the ball in their hands....two of the best defenders in the world in Brooks and Dort...spacing/3-pt shooting with Olynyk...and other NBA players who know their role. One team is a -140 favorite and the other is +500....that's a no brainer. So I dabbled.
 

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That Canadian team would easily be a lottery team in today's NBA.
One of those unprovable things, but they are at least as good as the 2023 Thunder (an easy comparison due to the presence of SGA and Dort), who were indeed a lottery team but only barely. They aren't competing for an NBA title or anything, but they look like an actual team with some legit offensive power, a couple of great defenders and actual NBA talent coming off the bench.
 

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Highlights include Pritchard beating Brunson off the dribble, at 34 seconds.

There's a lot of fun young talent on the US team (I love Edwards' game and I think Banchero will be the best player drafted since Luka), but when was the last time we had a national team with this little recognition? Just 4 total all-star appearances in the bunch (1 each for Edwards, Haliburton, Ingram and JJJ) and 0 all-NBA appearances. They've got a little bit of everything (bigs, wings, ball-handlers, offensive and defensive stars), but I've got no idea what the closing lineup is, or which guys are taking the important shots.

*edit - I guess you could say the same things about the 2019 FIBA team. Lots of great players in retrospect (Tatum, Brown, Middleton, Mitchell, Kemba), but of that group up to that point, only Kemba and Middleton had made all-star teams.
 

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Highlights include Pritchard beating Brunson off the dribble, at 34 seconds.

There's a lot of fun young talent on the US team (I love Edwards' game and I think Banchero will be the best player drafted since Luka), but when was the last time we had a national team with this little recognition? Just 4 total all-star appearances in the bunch (1 each for Edwards, Haliburton, Ingram and JJJ) and 0 all-NBA appearances. They've got a little bit of everything (bigs, wings, ball-handlers, offensive and defensive stars), but I've got no idea what the closing lineup is, or which guys are taking the important shots.

*edit - I guess you could say the same things about the 2019 FIBA team. Lots of great players in retrospect (Tatum, Brown, Middleton, Mitchell, Kemba), but of that group up to that point, only Kemba and Middleton had made all-star teams.
Tangent, but this made me look up contracts, and......JJJ's is insanely good for Memphis. 3/76 remaining on it, with a declining salary. In 2025-26 he'll be making under 15% of the cap.
 

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Isn't that an ideal roster structure though? Two elite scoring guards who will have the ball in their hands....two of the best defenders in the world in Brooks and Dort...spacing/3-pt shooting with Olynyk...and other NBA players who know their role.
Who are these other NBA players that know their roles? RJ Barrett, Cory Joseph, and Dwight Powell?
 

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Who are these other NBA players that know their roles? RJ Barrett, Cory Joseph, and Dwight Powell?
Yes? Olynyk, Dort...yeah, all of them. Edwards and Ingram are nice NBA players....put them off the ball under FIBA rules and I'm not sure they are very good.