1. Jones, Mac
Anyone else, truly? Defense played well enough that a competent offense would have had a shot.
Anyone else, truly? Defense played well enough that a competent offense would have had a shot.
Game 4 @DAL Goat Thread
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Game goats seem increasingly like an exercise akin to sacrificing lurkers. The problem is less about what's happening on the field, and more about who BB and the coaches are putting on the field.
It has to be Mac. At this point we’ve seen enough and it’s the same story every game. Always beating himself.
Say what you will about the skill positions, but Mac just doesn’t have it. I’m not sure there’s much they can do with this year but 2024 will have to have a new QB under centre.
Say what you will about the skill positions, but Mac just doesn’t have it. I’m not sure there’s much they can do with this year but 2024 will have to have a new QB under centre.
The offense damned this defense. The D had a chance to be something...
Stick a fork in McCorkle. He hasn't been right since he started getting hit for real.
This team is going nowhere with this QB.
Stick a fork in McCorkle. He hasn't been right since he started getting hit for real.
This team is going nowhere with this QB.
With the 85 Bears' defense they probably still would have lost. Dallas pretty much marched up and down the field and they are probably lucky that Dallas had some Red Zone issues against the bend, don't break game plan.
But, again, the offense is pathetic, possibly worse than last year. Mac is not going to get them anywhere. The sooner they realize that the better.
But, again, the offense is pathetic, possibly worse than last year. Mac is not going to get them anywhere. The sooner they realize that the better.
I have firmly been in the camp of BB gets to decide when he doesn't want to coach anymore, I'm starting to waver now. That was an absolute thrashing, completely non-competitive. The Cowboys are good and they were at home, but 38-3?
Mac Jones was horrendous
BB and the coaches
The D was OK but came out of the gate missing tackles all over the place
Add in the injuries and this has to be the lowest point in the BB era in Foxboro. What a mess.
Mac Jones was horrendous
BB and the coaches
The D was OK but came out of the gate missing tackles all over the place
Add in the injuries and this has to be the lowest point in the BB era in Foxboro. What a mess.
1. Mac. He’s terrible
2. OL. Untalented, slow, and dumb
3. Receivers. See above
4. Belichick for putting this offensive roster together.
This whole offense needs to rebuilt from the ground up, and I’m not sure that a 72 year old defensive minded head coach is the right guy to do it in 2024 and beyond.
2. OL. Untalented, slow, and dumb
3. Receivers. See above
4. Belichick for putting this offensive roster together.
This whole offense needs to rebuilt from the ground up, and I’m not sure that a 72 year old defensive minded head coach is the right guy to do it in 2024 and beyond.
Yup. Not all that much to add. It's like they built an offense in which the QB is brought down by the OL and receivers, the receivers are brought down by the QB and OL and the OL is brought down by the QB and the receivers.
Yes, except has to be Bill at 1. Still have the season to get o. track but without Brady it seems like the emperor may not have clothes.
Could we just play the Jets every week?
I really believe that we overemphasize individual talent and execution; sucking at this level takes a real team effort. 
I think the second INT was the epitome of things: Every single aspect of it was bad. Like, the bunch routes were poorly run and neither disguised the routes nor created interference. The defenders didn’t fear the receivers and could position themselves accordingly. The guy who picked it clearly diagnosed what was happening and sat on the pass right off the player so he could jump in front and grab the softly thrown ball that Mac delivered not realizing that the receiver wasn’t open, but rather defender was waiting on it.
That is failure at every possible level from coaching to athletic talent across decision making and execution. Every part of it was bad.
I think the second INT was the epitome of things: Every single aspect of it was bad. Like, the bunch routes were poorly run and neither disguised the routes nor created interference. The defenders didn’t fear the receivers and could position themselves accordingly. The guy who picked it clearly diagnosed what was happening and sat on the pass right off the player so he could jump in front and grab the softly thrown ball that Mac delivered not realizing that the receiver wasn’t open, but rather defender was waiting on it.
That is failure at every possible level from coaching to athletic talent across decision making and execution. Every part of it was bad.
Can we please dispense with this? Half the years or more the Pats won with Brady the defense was the better unit. It was a group effort, please let’s not be ridiculous and denigrate Bill’s role in the incredible run we all experienced. Saying someone new should be brought in at this point is one thing, but let’s not go here.
I also believe with a top 8-12 QB, this team would have started 3-0. The roster outside the QB position is not that bad tbh. It’s in the averageish range and they are playing the toughest schedule in the league.
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If that ball is thrown hard on a line when the WR breaks it's an easy completion and maybe more. The DB undercut it because he had no faith in Mac's arm, and Mac sitting in a perfect pocket threw a fadeaway floater way short and behind the WR. There are plays where the WRs or playcalling are bad. That wasn't one of them, they got Juju fairly open, that one is all on Mac. View: https://twitter.com/NFLRT/status/1708607075624923540I really believe that we overemphasize individual talent and execution; sucking at this level takes a real team effort.
I think the second INT was the epitome of things: Every single aspect of it was bad. Like, the bunch routes were poorly run and neither disguised the routes nor created interference. The defenders didn’t fear the receivers and could position themselves accordingly. The guy who picked it clearly diagnosed what was happening and sat on the pass right off the player so he could jump in front and grab the softly thrown ball that Mac delivered not realizing that the receiver wasn’t open, but rather defender was waiting on it.
That is failure at every possible level from coaching to athletic talent across decision making and execution. Every part of it was bad.
I listened to a Freakonomics episode about co-CEOs. Maybe BB was the defensive HC and Brady was the offensive HC. Clearly Boob, McDummy, and Chucky Weis were carried by Tommy.
That’s what I mean. The DB did what he did because he knew he could and you can watch him watch it all unfold. Hell, I watched him watch it in real time, and that’s bad because I don’t have a great eye in real time.
Weis was excellent imo, and I think Brady learned a lot from him. He’s my choice for best Pats OC ever. McDaniels is up for debate, but probably a good OC made into a borderline great one by Brady. BoB…yeah I dunno.
For a team that wanted to run a lot this year they keep falling so far behind early that they can't.
Special Teams didn't have a great day either.
Special Teams didn't have a great day either.
Coming into this game, the team was going to need to score more than 25 and play pretty good football (turnover differential). I thought the D showed a lot of heart and played tough, even with some major injuries. How they can play pass defense down their top 4 corners is a testament to the coaching and the guys being put in good positions to succeed. I just dont think you can fault the D too much on this one.
The offense basically comes down to two things - the offensive line and Mac Jones. The Oline really struggled to run block, but the pass blocking did not look terrible for the most part. The Onwenu penalties were really tough, but man it is hard not to say this entire game hinged on Mac.
Fumble recovery for a TD
Interception for a TD
Another terrible INT that resulted in a FG.
You cannot survive a game where your QB is that bad. I cannot think of anything he did that was a positive on the day and those negatives made it impossible for you to win. There were guys open, he often moved out the pocket when he had room to stay in, terrible throws across the field, and even on his throws in the middle the ball took forever to get there. He had happy feet and seemed his throwing mechanics were again awful. It is getting really close to the time where you have to close the book on him.
The offense basically comes down to two things - the offensive line and Mac Jones. The Oline really struggled to run block, but the pass blocking did not look terrible for the most part. The Onwenu penalties were really tough, but man it is hard not to say this entire game hinged on Mac.
Fumble recovery for a TD
Interception for a TD
Another terrible INT that resulted in a FG.
You cannot survive a game where your QB is that bad. I cannot think of anything he did that was a positive on the day and those negatives made it impossible for you to win. There were guys open, he often moved out the pocket when he had room to stay in, terrible throws across the field, and even on his throws in the middle the ball took forever to get there. He had happy feet and seemed his throwing mechanics were again awful. It is getting really close to the time where you have to close the book on him.
It’s sad that the overwhelming nature of Mac’s suckitude has diverted all attention from Michael Onwenu.
i just felt in the moment I needed to hit all three. I liked Charlie with the Jets. Tuna, Charlie, BB and a torn Achilles gets you 8-8.
The Patriots under Brady only had two seasons in which they finished with a better rank in defensive DVOA than offensive DVOA. 2003 and 2019.
Bad team and unfortunately:
-Injuries have hit the worst unit (OL)
-Defense is good enough to pull out some games so they will probably finish out of the top 5 in draft order.
That said, maybe the QB situation will snowball and give them a good draft pick.
Other than that you clean house. You have about 2-3 guys on the roster who are significantly above average and under 30 years old. This is a team I would pick in Madden Franchise if I wanted a big challenge.
-Injuries have hit the worst unit (OL)
-Defense is good enough to pull out some games so they will probably finish out of the top 5 in draft order.
That said, maybe the QB situation will snowball and give them a good draft pick.
Other than that you clean house. You have about 2-3 guys on the roster who are significantly above average and under 30 years old. This is a team I would pick in Madden Franchise if I wanted a big challenge.
It's actually stunning that in Mac Year III his already iffy mechanics have gotten worse. Like, how hasn't notorious hard ass Bill O'Brien actually murdered Mac Jones after all the back foot noodle balls he's thrown? Aren't there famous QB schools/programs that people actually attend to improve their skills in the off-season?
Multiple coaches and institutions. Some work with AI and motion capturing. It’s really fucking cool.
Mac had one of his worst games. This situation offensively is deteriorating. The pass catchers are a disaster, the RT situation and even IOL are a problem and the defense has a shit ton of injuries. Not sure if I am thankful or in despair that it is only week 4.
I was thinking this too. It was natural to think he would get better after year one as he improved mechanics, footwork, and got NFL-quality strength training, nutrition, etc (though I expect that stuff is pretty good at Alabama). Since he was pretty good at commanding an offense and reading defenses etc., improving his weaknesses by getting some more zip on throws and making sure his feet were set would make a big difference. None of that has happened.
In the first half, Mac threw a pass to a receiver that was almost intercepted. If he could throw it harder, maybe the ball gets to the receiver before the DB can get to it. I think the score was 10-3 at the time. I thought this wasn't a good sign. I bailed on the game when Dallas kicked the field goal to go up 21-3. The offense was bad today.
Mac is the obvious one but the coaching is right up there. When the game was 3-0 and they had 3rd and 1 from inside the DAL 10 and opted to pass then kick the chickenshit FG the game was basically lost. They had 2 chances to get 1yd and would have had a decent chance at actually taking a lead and maybe just maybe the game doesn't get completely away from them.