Glazer: Giants reported to NFL that Steelers deflated footballs
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Better collect his phone and all records. Any references to being "pumped" or not about anything will serve as definitive proof.
Per a source with knowledge of the situation, one ball was measured at 11.4 PSI and the other ball was measured at 11.8 PSI.
Both turnovers came in the second half. The Giants recovered a fumble with 7:12 to play in the third quarter and intercepted a pass with 44 seconds left in the third quarter.
The broader question becomes the expected PSI levels of the footballs when they were measured by the Giants, based on the pregame inflation of the footballs (they could have been as low as 12.5 before being brought to the field), the temperature at kickoff and, in turn, the pressure loss in the first half, the pressure increase when the balls were taken back inside during the 12-minute intermission (which necessarily is limited by the trip to the officials’ locker room and the trip back outside), the pressure decrease in the third quarter before the Giants acquired possession of the footballs, and the delay between the end of the plays that resulted in the Giants getting the balls and the measurement of the balls by the Giants.
Throw in the possibility that the Giants air-pressure gauges reveal conflicting numbers than the official gauges, and it becomes impossible to conclude that PSIs of 11.8 and 11.4 suggest deliberate deflation.
Look for the league to continue to say nothing, even if there’s a reasonable explanation for the footballs being under 12.5 PSI. The NFL wisely has avoided disclosing that footballs have been measured below 12.5 PSI during spot checks in cold-weather games, presumably to prevent the disclosure of any evidence that would suggest that the numbers observed at halftime of the January 2015 AFC title game indicate the normal operation of science and not foul play.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/11/giants-measured-steelers-footballs-at-11-4-11-8-psi/
Both turnovers came in the second half. The Giants recovered a fumble with 7:12 to play in the third quarter and intercepted a pass with 44 seconds left in the third quarter.
The broader question becomes the expected PSI levels of the footballs when they were measured by the Giants, based on the pregame inflation of the footballs (they could have been as low as 12.5 before being brought to the field), the temperature at kickoff and, in turn, the pressure loss in the first half, the pressure increase when the balls were taken back inside during the 12-minute intermission (which necessarily is limited by the trip to the officials’ locker room and the trip back outside), the pressure decrease in the third quarter before the Giants acquired possession of the footballs, and the delay between the end of the plays that resulted in the Giants getting the balls and the measurement of the balls by the Giants.
Throw in the possibility that the Giants air-pressure gauges reveal conflicting numbers than the official gauges, and it becomes impossible to conclude that PSIs of 11.8 and 11.4 suggest deliberate deflation.
Look for the league to continue to say nothing, even if there’s a reasonable explanation for the footballs being under 12.5 PSI. The NFL wisely has avoided disclosing that footballs have been measured below 12.5 PSI during spot checks in cold-weather games, presumably to prevent the disclosure of any evidence that would suggest that the numbers observed at halftime of the January 2015 AFC title game indicate the normal operation of science and not foul play.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/11/giants-measured-steelers-footballs-at-11-4-11-8-psi/
This is where I hope/wish we have/had a good New England press corp. There should be reporters pressing on this and beating a drum. I'm not optimistic because everyone wants to go to ESPN or have sources at the NFL, but this seems like a good story to push.
It's a good question. I cant see anything to be gained by the Giants in feeding this story to the press.
Any chance the Maras want to expose the stupidity of deflategate?
Or are they trying to send a message to the Steelers that what happened to the Patriots can happen to you?
Doubtful since Mara was one of the more vocal owners in bashing the Patriots/Brady during the Ballghazi media shit storm.
Seriously.
Can it be that their hatred for Brady / Belichick / Patriots is so strong that they completely blocked out any knowledge that could possibly give weight to the, being innocent? Think our current situation with political partisanship and tendency to believe in fake conspiracy news. I mean, I can't really rationalize it to myself any other way.
It would have to be epic. Yuge, even. Remember who DJT backed during Ballghazi.
Would love to see the dinner photo with Trump and the Commish a la Romney, though...
I was wondering the same thing. It is a clear violation of the rules for a team to use an air gauge to measure another teams balls. It was a rule violation when the Colts did it two years ago and again when the Giants did it to Steelers' balls last weekend. In fact, in the entire Deflategate universe, those are the only two known rule violations. It's soooo NFL to ignore the only cases of obvious and admitted rule-breaking.
Of course not, they didn't read all that science stuff.
Roger said Brady did it and if he didn't why did he destroy his phone also there were all those texts where Brady called him the deflator?(note I know this isn't correct but most people don't)
That "evidence" was good enough for pretty much everyone.
Rooney and Mara probably cooked this up together so they could have a whiskey worth my yearly salary and browse Pats fan forums for a laugh.
Is it ok that I want this story and the aftermath to be "100% TOTALLY AWESOME"?
I hope so because I do.
I hope so because I do.
It is? If you pick off a ball, you can keep it. You can't measure it under the current rules?
I'm sure Belichick would not approve. The Patriots got boned. We all know that but whining about it only serves as a potential distraction. I want this organization focused solely on destroying the playoff hopes of the Ravens and Broncos these next couple of weeks.
On the front page of CBS.com there is no mention of this story. Not even a single line buried at the bottom. Story is already over. It's really awesome.
I think the fundamental difference between this instance and Deflategate (other than the Pats being involved) is that in this new case, the NFL had a week to handle the grievance (however not "formal" it was) behind the scenes and get their stories lined up before it became public. Remember the timeline of the Deflategate story...within hours of the end of the game in question, the story was out in the twittersphere. By the time the NFL had a chance to make any kind of statement one way or the other, the media was in a froth.
In contrast, the first hint of anything about the Steelers' balls was a full week after the game. Easy to squash something quickly when the media is that far behind the action. If Glazer had reported something last Sunday night, like Kravitz did after the AFCCG, things might be different. Deflategate gained momentum because it was sensationalism ahead of truth because the truth never had a chance to get out of the barn.
In contrast, the first hint of anything about the Steelers' balls was a full week after the game. Easy to squash something quickly when the media is that far behind the action. If Glazer had reported something last Sunday night, like Kravitz did after the AFCCG, things might be different. Deflategate gained momentum because it was sensationalism ahead of truth because the truth never had a chance to get out of the barn.
Yes. The media was in a froth. Bc Mike Kensil leaked to Kravitz and Mort that 11 of 12 balls were underinflated by 2lbs.
I think Kensil told Irsay, who leaked it to Kravitz. The story had already blown up by 2AM that morning.
In any case, it's almost impossible, if the 11.4 and 11.8 PSI numbers are correct, that they came about from deliberate deflation. They in fact fall right in line with the expected PSIs of balls outside for a long time in 32 degree weather. The NFL of course buried this because they certainly don't want to be shown to be wrong in regards to the original Deflategate.
It's stupefying how little the league and teams know about 8th grade science.
Also:
Technically, the Giants broke the rules: only the officials are allowed to measure the PSI of the balls.
Testing the PSI on the sidelines would almost necessarily deflate the balls a tiny bit when inserting the pressure gauge, thus throwing off the readings.
This whole thing is fucking idiotic.
Technically, the Giants broke the rules: only the officials are allowed to measure the PSI of the balls.
Testing the PSI on the sidelines would almost necessarily deflate the balls a tiny bit when inserting the pressure gauge, thus throwing off the readings.
This whole thing is fucking idiotic.
"The New England states were very bad to me during the election. Very mean. Sad. I have always maintained the Patriots are cheaters."
It depends on who "The Giants" is in this case. A Mara? McAdoo? Someone else with a telephone who then called
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It's a trending story on my Facebook feed, for whatever that's worth. But so is Patrick J. Adams, whoever that is.
It's also the top story on Yahoo's homepage. Yahoo has actually been pretty damn good to the Pats through the whole saga.
It's also the top story on Yahoo's homepage. Yahoo has actually been pretty damn good to the Pats through the whole saga.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/12/nfls-swift-response-to-deflategate-ii-worked-but-should-it-have/
1) it exposes them for their shitty reporting on the original story.
2) They are in bed with the league. In Deflategate I, the NFL wanted the media to report on it. In Deflategate II, the NFL doesn't want the media to report on it. ABC/ESPN simply listens to their master.
For the most part this is a good explanation of what happened, but for the following quote:
If the media in question is ABC/ESPN, there are two additional reasons why they are unwilling to develop this story:
1) it exposes them for their shitty reporting on the original story.
2) They are in bed with the league. In Deflategate I, the NFL wanted the media to report on it. In Deflategate II, the NFL doesn't want the media to report on it. ABC/ESPN simply listens to their master.
Why go back that far? Their current, Superbowl winning coach has been reprimanded for tripping people on the field of play. Integrity.
Sally Jenkins nails it again.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/the-nfls-damning-silence-on-a-new-case-of-underinflated-footballs/2016/12/12/6698cae6-c097-11e6-afd9-f038f753dc29_story.html?utm_term=.aaea709e899a
But the NFL doesn’t want to get into that. If it admits it received info from the Giants about low PSI, then it has to admit that maybe weather affected the inflation of footballs in other games, too.
It has to admit that league officials lacked command of seventh-grade science and that Goodell raced to judgment. It has to admit that a few whiffs of PSI aren’t a game-altering factor, much less worth serious penalties. It has to admit that Goodell is not willing to pursue Art Rooney and Ben Roethlisberger over the air in a couple of footballs with the same energy.
It has to admit that Deflategate was not a fair process but just a ginned-up excuse to punish the Patriots in order to satisfy owner envy and internal politics. It has to admit that it has been covering up PSI data in order to save the last rags of Goodell’s shredded reputation. It has to admit that the NFL under this commissioner has zero credibility left.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/the-nfls-damning-silence-on-a-new-case-of-underinflated-footballs/2016/12/12/6698cae6-c097-11e6-afd9-f038f753dc29_story.html?utm_term=.aaea709e899a
But the NFL doesn’t want to get into that. If it admits it received info from the Giants about low PSI, then it has to admit that maybe weather affected the inflation of footballs in other games, too.
It has to admit that league officials lacked command of seventh-grade science and that Goodell raced to judgment. It has to admit that a few whiffs of PSI aren’t a game-altering factor, much less worth serious penalties. It has to admit that Goodell is not willing to pursue Art Rooney and Ben Roethlisberger over the air in a couple of footballs with the same energy.
It has to admit that Deflategate was not a fair process but just a ginned-up excuse to punish the Patriots in order to satisfy owner envy and internal politics. It has to admit that it has been covering up PSI data in order to save the last rags of Goodell’s shredded reputation. It has to admit that the NFL under this commissioner has zero credibility left.
Where the hell is Big Ben's suspension? Why isn't Goodell on the phone telling the Rooney family "rules are rules"
FWIW, Roethlisberger and the Steelers are both prior offenders, so this would make them both repeat offenders, which was a factor in the Brady suspension and Patriots' punishment.
At the very least, the Giants should be getting a $25K fine for tampering with the footballs (by measuring the PSI, which by rule they are forbidden to do). That violation has been around for years and there's zero reason not to levy it.
It is absolutely insane that people in the media are, overall, allowing the NFL to bury this.
Florio and Jenkins are on top of the truth, as usual, but where is anyone else? Where is ESPN? FoxSports?
Can Brady try to sue for defamation in the offseason?
Florio and Jenkins are on top of the truth, as usual, but where is anyone else? Where is ESPN? FoxSports?
Can Brady try to sue for defamation in the offseason?
Of course. I mean we need to keep the same narrative going where any team who has low PSIs regardless of science are dirty cheaters so it's up to the NFL to keep consistent on how they punish people.
The NFL buried the Manning HGH stuff 6 feet under as well as this story. I guess protecting the shield means protect the Ravens, Steelers, Broncos, Colts, Cowboys, Jets and Giants at all costs.
Sadly, one of the great lessons here is that Goodell will do whatever he wants. Consistency be damned. Consider that there have been 2 known instances where ball tampering happened *during games* (and were caught red-handed doing so):
- 2012 San Diego applying sticky substance to footballs
- 2014 Carolina using sideline heaters to increase PSI in footballs on cold Minnesota day
And then we have this recent account of the Giants actually testing Steeler footballs and finding them under inflated.
In all three instances, these three teams had absolutely nothing happen to them. Zip. Nada. Carolina got a little memo saying you can't do that. San Diego was hit with like a $20k fine, but that got rescinded. Nothing has, or will, happen to Pittsburgh.
Add to that that there were two teams known (admitting to doing so) to have tampered with footballs during a game by testing them (which is against the rules):
- 2014 Colts
- 2016 Giants
And nothing at all did, or will, happen to them either. That's five instances of situations where footballs were actually tampered with, or found to be under inflated.
And nothing at all did, or will, happen to any of those teams.
The Patriots, however, lose first and fourth round draft picks, are fined a million dollars, and get their QB suspended for four games.
Goodell simply does not care about consistency on this, or any other, issue. No matter how much we highlight this.
Yeah, but, you know, it's the Steelers, they play the game the RIGHT way, just ask any of their fans.
I'm hoping our Tweeter-In-Chief gets on the horn and points out the inconsistency. He owes Kraft and Brady that much given the heat they took (and take) for not denouncing him when the heat was on.
Bob Kravitz getting out while the getting's good.
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/kravitz/2014/08/14/bob-kravitz-leaving-indystar/14074285/
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/kravitz/2014/08/14/bob-kravitz-leaving-indystar/14074285/
I wonder if Goodell gave Kroenke a little *wink wink* *nudge nudge* when it came to the firing of Fischer which gave the ESPNs of the world a big, juicy story to talk about instead of this story and the Giants using a walkie talkie on the sidelines story. It certainly seemed hastily done with the seeming scramble to find a interim coach.
Dan Wetzel crushes Goodell and the NFL yet again:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/roger-goodell-owes-tom-brady-an-apology-183157757.html
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/roger-goodell-owes-tom-brady-an-apology-183157757.html
Another great (and given the NFL's history of revenge and enemies lists) brave column from Wetzel on the subject. It will of course never happen. Predictably ESPN never mentioned DFG2 on Monday night, nor will they ever unless Roger tells them it's okay. Pathetic.