Didn't I say he put it right on his hands? I didn't think I was "making shit up".
GOATS vs Commies
- Thread starter Eddie Jurak
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I haven't thought about him in years. I see that he passed in 2017 -- that's too bad.
Good JuJu: caught 6 of 7 passes thrown his way for 51 yards, 3 of them for first downs.
Ba JuJu: the one pass he didn't catch? bounced off his hands for a drive-killing interception.
Ba JuJu: the one pass he didn't catch? bounced off his hands for a drive-killing interception.
Does the defenders had on his hip have any impact on him making that catch/is he being pulled as the ball gets there?
Not making excuses for the drop, just asking.
Also; was anyone here at the game today? I was told there were quite a few empty seats, just trying to see if that was indeed true?
Those seats are bought and paid for, but empty seats regardless is never good for business.
The receivers on this team are just so, so poor. Especially without Bourne, most of these guys could never get open unless by design like a screen. The offensive line actually did a decent job in pass protection, but many times Mac was left having to throw into blanketed receivers. Maybe these guys were open but Mac didn't see him, but outside of Douglas and occasionally Henry, the room of JuJu, Reagor, Thornton and Gesicki can never get open.
Is it just me, or does Mac go for the long bomb much too often? I’m not at all a fan, but I actually feel kind of bad for him. After his rookie season, he was in the pro bowl, he was doing advertisements, he looked like he could be a competent, middle tier starting quarterback. Now he’s probably going to be relegated to backup qb the rest of his career after this season.
Can you cut this shit out? These threads are supposed to be about who cost the team the win in the game. Bad coaching decisions, bad plays by players, etc. Every fucking week you post the same shit in every thread.
It was mentioned above but I didn't understand the game plan today. Lots of passes behind the line of scrimmage and then bombs which mostly went to no one. Not much Zeke (<40% of snaps, 6 attempts) and not much rushing at all. Jalen Reagor with the most snaps at WR (1 catch). Pumping up Boutte to the media and then not activating him. Benching Jack Jones and JC Jackson for some reason. Maybe BB really is tanking but it seems like flailing.
The Commies were playing with 7 or 8 in the box for most of the game. It is really hard to run against 7 men up tight to the line. That is why Rham had that long TD-once he got through the front 7, he was off to the races. The Pats were trying to do all kinds of shit to get by that 7-8 man front. A lot of it didn't work.
Its the same old story. No Defensive coordinator fears the Pats offense. It's an easy game to scheme. There are no deep threats but even when the stars align and someone does get a step on the defense and Mac drops a dime, the pass is dropped.
Mac doesn't have the arm strength to throw the frozen rope deep out so that's another chunk of the field the defense doesn't have to worry about. Even if Mac could make that throw, there are no receivers who can make those contested sideline catches.
- Robert Kraft
- Jonathan Kraft
- Bill Belichick
- Matt Groh
Bill. Sigh.
Groh as Director of Player Personnel...not great Bob! Yeah, the buck stops above him on this list, but the hit rates on both the pro and college evaluation sides have been...awful. Outside of lucking into Gonzo, it's been absolutely brutal. I'm not sure how much say or power Groh has, but he's got a fancy title and crap track record.
Tyquan is awful. Benched now in the last two games he's played. It reflects poorly on Boutte that he can't get active instead.
But Boutte had his best week of practice, and didn't play. Which means when he was active earlier in the season he had a worse week of practice but got on the field?
Then he probably shouldn't be active. Is Cunningham still running with the WRs?
Most of the 2022 second round WRs have been underwhelming but Pickens was selected two picks after Thornton and he has 30 catches for 521 yards in a Matt Canada coached offense. Maybe when in doubt pick the SEC receiver.
When you have two guys in the lineup in Raegor and Thornton, whose only hope to get open is beating their defender in a foot race, the only place you can really throw it to them is on a deep bomb. Mac missed Thornton on a longish throw early, then hit Raegor on one that he dropped late. Bourne and Pop are really the only guys that have a chance of getting open quickly on this roster, and Pop doesn't always end up in the right place yet. I have no fucking idea what Parker/JuJu/Gesicki do well at this point.
The offense has been so bad and the Pats have decent DBs. What does this look like in practice? Do these guys get open during practice? Is this a clusterfuck every day?
I mean... in the other thread we were pointing out a play where Thornton got wide up on a non-deep ball and Mac missed him by like 3 yards.
I don't think Mac goes deep too often, but the idea his guys only get open deep is not true. Yeah the WRs aren't that good, yes there are plays where nobody is open. There are also plenty of plays pointed out every week where guys are between open and wide open and Mac doesn't see them, or makes a bad throw, or makes an on target throw at the pace of a 3 legged tortoise so the cover guy catches up.
Mac's deep balls stink because he almost never steps into them and he has a fringy arm so on many of them the WR has to throttle back to let the ball get there.
Boutte played in a week where Parker and Thornton were both unavailable. Also they’d just picked up Reagor (who is also terrible) and he wasn’t up to speed yet.
Cunningham is back on the practice squad. I guess they could promote him? He looks even worse than these awful guys from what we’ve seen, though certainly he has more of an excuse.
It was a 30 yard pass from where Mac was standing to where Thornton was. That's a deep ball, although I called it "longish."
And I'm not talking about all of the receivers. I'm specifically talking about Reagor and Thornton (Reagor played 77% of the snaps yesterday and Thornton was in on most of them until he got benched, for, checks notes, completely fucking up a non-deep route). Those two guys are incapable of doing anything as far as route running within 10-15 yards of the LOS.
I'm all set with arguing narratives. He missed Thornton on that play (and the loft pass to Stevenson was badly underthrown), but the idea these guys are getting open all over the field is contradicted by every single person who watches these games for a living, and it's buttressed by folks that don't understand route trees and progressions, others who don't even notice whether or not the protection is breaking down, etc. Of course, the latter group also routinely blames Mac for everything. Did anyone see AJ Brown come back for a ball in double coverage last week and turn a pick into a TD, or another one handed grab over his head for another touchdown?
I'm happy to break down specific plays, and Mac has a ton of bad ones to pick from, but I will never stop pushing back on the narrative that our receiving corps is anything better than bottom 3 in the NFL (and IMO, the absolute fucking worst without Bourne). People were blaming Mac and excusing JuJu's drop that ended the game, because JuJu made a difficult catch on the play before. Awesome, way to go JuJu, 1/2 on doing his job. Meanwhile, he dropped the one that would have put us in field goal range, Reagor dropped one that would have led to 1st and goal, Pop dropped a dime that Mac threw over the head of a defender (I don't really blame Pop for that though, he's simply too small for that play to work, but at least he was there).
They all suck, including Mac, and in the case of our receivers, every team in the NFL knows it otherwise, these guys would probably be playing for someone else. Nobody else wants them.
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