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Arroyoyo

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Genuine question: how long do you give a struggling rookie kicker? Do you bring him back next year or try again late in the draft?
 

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Genuine question: how long do you give a struggling rookie kicker? Do you bring him back next year or try again late in the draft?
He is not having a good year, but 17 kicks is a tiny sample. If his approach and what you see every day in practice confirms what you thought you saw in the draft, you don’t give up on the guy for a small sample.

Edit — Gostkowski missed 4 of his first 12 kicks. Vinatieri missed 5 of 13. Missing 5 of 17 is not a big deal.
 
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Arroyoyo

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He is not having a good year, but 17 kicks is a tiny sample. If his approach and what you see every day in practice confirms what you thought you saw in the draft, you don’t give up on the guy for a small sample.
Good point. I should’ve checked but I thought he had many more attempts than that. It’s kind of an interesting storyline we don’t discuss too often, but if he isn’t performing well in practice as well, you wonder if they indeed move on this offseason.
 

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Good point. I should’ve checked but I thought he had many more attempts than that. It’s kind of an interesting storyline we don’t discuss too often, but if he isn’t performing well in practice as well, you wonder if they indeed move on this offseason.
I think there oughta be competition at least. I don't see how Ryland's performance this year merits being handed the K job next year without having to fight for it.
 

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God dude, I couldn't agree more.

I was texting with my BIL about this today. If they lost games something like 40-30, at least they'd be interesting. They're both bad and boring, which is so much worse.
Being boring is absolutely the Krafts' nightmare too. You either need to sell potential or success, and right now fans aren't seeing either. It's why I think the changes this off-season will be significant. They have to show the fans they understand how the product is being perceived. Fans don't want to hear the "oh trust me, look at all our past success" line from management.
 

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In. addition to the others mentioned here, let me throw in Bill O'Brien for his horrific call of a pass play on third and three right before the Ryland miss.

They had been running the ball down the Colts' collective throats on that drive, 7 rushes for 33 yards, an average of 4.7 per rush (and for most of the game). Then on a key third down from the Colts' 17 yard line third and three, you suddenly decide to take the ball away from the one and only thing working all day on offense, the run, and put it in the hands of the weakest player on the offense, Mack Jones? And Jones, dependent on an ineffectual front line? Utterly ridiculous, inexcusably bad play call. Of course, Jones missed the pass attempt to Stevenson. Then Ryland missed the FG attempt.

There should have never been a FG attempt, the offense should have run the ball on third down and probably would have made the yardage. Inexcusable.
 

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I cannot remember the play but there was a pass play where Mac had decent protection but threw the ball away. On the replay from behind the QB you could see two Pats receivers run the exact same route from opposite sides to end up around 20 yards down the field at the same spot in the middle of the field. Somebody screwed up. My money is on Juju who continues to play like a stiff.

I might be wrong but Strange looked pretty good today. Wonder how he grades out. The line was great running the ball today. I’d kill to have an Alex Smith type of qb who just keeps the game safe and simple. N
 

patinorange

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In. addition to the others mentioned here, let me throw in Bill O'Brien for his horrific call of a pass play on third and three right before the Ryland miss.

They had been running the ball down the Colts' collective throats on that drive, 7 rushes for 33 yards, an average of 4.7 per rush (and for most of the game). Then on a key third down from the Colts' 17 yard line third and three, you suddenly decide to take the ball away from the one and only thing working all day on offense, the run, and put it in the hands of the weakest player on the offense, Mack Jones? And Jones, dependent on an ineffectual front line? Utterly ridiculous, inexcusably bad play call. Of course, Jones missed the pass attempt to Stevenson. Then Ryland missed the FG attempt.

There should have never been a FG attempt, the offense should have run the ball on third down and probably would have made the yardage. Inexcusable.
Billy O is probably down on the list of problems, but he really hasn't done anything remarkable to improve the offense. Somone made the comment in the game thread. The routes and execution look like a team that does not practice.
 

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Billy O is probably down on the list of problems, but he really hasn't done anything remarkable to improve the offense. Somone made the comment in the game thread. The routes and execution look like a team that does not practice.
When does Troy Brown take some heat for this?
 

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Since 2020 the Pats are 27-33. If they go 83-1 over their next 84 games, they'll still end up with a worse winning percentage than they had from 2011-2019.