And how many this year's HoF finalists were also members of the Four Horsemen?
(no, I don't think that really mattered, but maybe it kept him in consciousness of some voters a little longer)
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(no, I don't think that really mattered, but maybe it kept him in consciousness of some voters a little longer)
Devin Hester is basically the equivalent of Jerry Rice but for a position no one really understands and most people think is easy. There are only 17 players in history who have more than 10 non-offensive TDs. He has 20. The only guys close to him are Deion Sanders and Ron Woodson, who obviously had way more snaps where scoring a non-offensive touchdown was a possibility. He is one of my favorite players of all time, and I'm so happy that he's being recognized this way. Just a remarkable skillset and career.
No one circles the wagons like special teamers.
(Not a disagreement. Just surprised he got in, but happily.)
With special teams being taken out of the game with rules changes, there probably won’t be another returner to get into the HOF
Or would announce while holding a small animal, like a Bond villain. I agree that the timing of his induction is tied to giving him a chance to experience it before it is too late.
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By the way, is Mike Evans a sure-fire, no doubt HOFer?
10 straight seasons to start his career with 1,000+ receiving yards. His worst y/rec average was 13.8. For his career, he's averaged 15.3 y/rec, so he's no dink-and-dunk receiver. He's had 12+ touchdowns 5 times in his career. Been to 5 pro bowls, and made all pro second team twice (hard to believe he's never made first team even once). Most of the time he didn't play with great QBs - obviously Brady is an exception, and Mayfield was really good this year, but it's not like he's had great QBs his entire career.
10 straight seasons to start his career with 1,000+ receiving yards. His worst y/rec average was 13.8. For his career, he's averaged 15.3 y/rec, so he's no dink-and-dunk receiver. He's had 12+ touchdowns 5 times in his career. Been to 5 pro bowls, and made all pro second team twice (hard to believe he's never made first team even once). Most of the time he didn't play with great QBs - obviously Brady is an exception, and Mayfield was really good this year, but it's not like he's had great QBs his entire career.
No. Not yet at least. There are a bunch of WRs with very similar counting stats (around 900 to 1,000 catches, 13,000-14,000 yards, 65-90 TDs) that all can't get in (Johnson just got in, but you still have Reggie Wayne, Boldin, Holt, Steve Smith blocking the way, plus guys like Julio Jones who is in that same group statistically and will be eligible before Evans). I think as a WR, you need to be at 15,000 yards and 100+ TDs to be a slam dunk no-brainer going forward, and Evans is a few years away from that yardage wise. TDs he is close but as we saw with Antonio Gates, even a lot of TDs won't get you over the hump right away.
The issue with Evans is whether he peaked high enough. It's really hard to make a HOF case for someone if they were never the best player in the league at their position, or at least in the discussion. This is where the lack of 1APs and black ink is significant for Evans. Among guys he's significantly overlapped with, his peak is below Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, DeAndre Hopkins, Michael Thomas, Davonte Adams, Tyreek Hill, Justin Jefferson, etc.
What Evans has done is stay healthy and productive through ten seasons without turning into a lunatic. Which is rare for WRs. In 10 seasons he's only missed 9 games total. His career numbers will probably get him in eventually, but he'll have to wait his turn.
Gates shouild had got in and steve tasker over devin heater
R Harrion faces a long road to get in
1 he plays S stkike 1
2 played for NE stkine 2 in some votes eyes
3 there were rumors in sd that he was on peds
harrion will get in it just might be 10-15 years before he does
R Harrion faces a long road to get in
1 he plays S stkike 1
2 played for NE stkine 2 in some votes eyes
3 there were rumors in sd that he was on peds
harrion will get in it just might be 10-15 years before he does
I don't see any path for Mike Evans to the HOF. I'm a HOF minimalist in general, but no one in 10 years will even know who Mike Evans is that's under 40 years old currently. He's a very very good WR and that's a hell of accomplishment. As @coremiller pointed out, he's far behind in the list of his peers.
I've never heard the argument that Perry was the most impactful player on the 85 Bears defense. I'm fascinated to know more if you care to elaborate.
Evans needs to sign with a team with a great QB and finish his career strong if he wants to have any shot at the HOF
He’s a very good WR playing in an era of great WR’s many of whom have played in much better offenses. And as mentioned above, there’s a glut of guys ahead of him who are more deserving or similarly deserving.
Other than the Brady years, he’s been hampered by mediocre to awful QB performance so his stats aren’t nearly as eye popping as I think his talent and durability suggest they could have been.
If he goes to KC, plays with Mahomes and wins another ring or two, defies age regression and avoids injuries, he has a shot. But that’s an extreme long shot.
He’s this generation’s Rod Smith or Keenan McCardell.
He’s a very good WR playing in an era of great WR’s many of whom have played in much better offenses. And as mentioned above, there’s a glut of guys ahead of him who are more deserving or similarly deserving.
Other than the Brady years, he’s been hampered by mediocre to awful QB performance so his stats aren’t nearly as eye popping as I think his talent and durability suggest they could have been.
If he goes to KC, plays with Mahomes and wins another ring or two, defies age regression and avoids injuries, he has a shot. But that’s an extreme long shot.
He’s this generation’s Rod Smith or Keenan McCardell.
When he joins KC or Buffalo in the off-season and plays in some more big games that could help him. The WR HoF will only continue to get more difficult. They are really going to have to focus on the AP awards etc. Even then there are probably going to be fairly even splits.
Evans is way better than a lot of those guys--he's certainly way better than Lockett and Mike Wallace, who are his contemporaries.
I think people are sleeping on Evans' case--assuming he has a few good seasons left, he will easily move into the Top 10 in receiving yards all time, and could move into the Top 5 in career receiving TDs. If he has Gore-like longevity, he will be Top 3 in both categories. If he was never a top five WR, that may speak more towards people underrating him during his career as opposed to his actual production. And to be fair, he has two second-team All-Pro nods, which would imply he finished those seasons viewed as a Top 5 wide receiver.
This isn't really accurate. He had Jameis for 68 games, had 5,605 yards and 34 TDs in those games. That's an excellent stat line for that many games.
He also had Baker this year slinging it down the field, plus three years with Tom Brady. And then he had that awesome year with Fitzy. The only QB who didn't help Evans produce with Blaine "The Pain" Gabbert and that was only 8 miserable games.(2 catches, 0 TDs)
Evans has had QBs who throw long for the majority of his career. Jameis in particular was a complete, "Fuck it, I'm chucking it," QB.
Also, Evans is going into the Hall of Fame. His 10 year,1000 yard streak alone is going to get him in. This season, Evans had his 2nd highest yardage total and the most TDs he's had in his career. He will be 31 this August, so he will have 3-4 more very solid seasons. Possibly more. He's going in.
It doesn't really matter if he's better. He's a 0 all pro guy who is 53rd on prefs HoF tracker.
He's basically the Rod or Jimmy Smith or AJ Green, but of now. All of those guys were fine players but not Hall of Famers.
Tough feature to watch on ESPN tonight about Steve McMichael. He's determined to be in Canton for the HoF ceremonies in August. I'm really rooting for him.
I can't post a link but it's on their website in the NFL section.
I can't post a link but it's on their website in the NFL section.
If you were a watching the NFL for the first time in the UK in the 1980s the only two players you can name now from that era are Joe Montana and William "the fridge" Perry. Dan Marino if you were really paying attention. It wouldn't be at all crazy to meet someone in this country for whom the three most famous footballers are Montana, Perry and Brady. So I have no idea where Perry ranks on that defense playing-wise, but sure as hell he was the most impactful culturally over here.