I wanted to keep Jimmy over Brady... and LOCKED!!!!!
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Well, to be fair, this year is pretty much irrelevant to the equation BB faced. The clock really begins next year, but if he thought Brady could go at least another 2 years as a top 3 QB, I think it’s a risk you just have to take. Odds are probably equal that Brady makes it as long at a higher level as Gronk and with Gronk gone the SB odds take a pretty substantial hit. It’s probably best to have the better QB playing with Gronk as long as he can make it.
Question for you H78: you said in an earlier post that the end is closer than we expect for Brady. But I don’t think any of us think that is more than 2-3 more seasons. But I still don’t think any of us would rather have Jimmy on the team than Tom even if that means we miss out on say 7 years of Jimmy. While I am a Pats fan first, I’d personally rather win once more with Brady over the next 3 years than say twice with Jimmy over the next 10-12.
I guess I was riding with Brady’s proclamation that he’s basically got another five years in him. I would argue 2-3 as well. As such, if that’s how everyone feels, then we’re in agreement on that.
As for your second point, I’d always rather take two more than one more, no matter who the QB is, because Go Pats. But I also understand why six with Brady is special to a lot of people. It would be to me, too, but I’d rather the organization get seven.
With that all said, there’s no guarantee either of them will win anything moving forward.
Speaking strictly of this year, the Rams should scare the hell out of us if they make it to the SB (and we do, too). They’ve been smoking better defenses all year.
Prior to the SB, Jax kind of freaks me out, as does Pitt - a little - if Brown makes a miraculous recovery.
Prior to the SB, Jax kind of freaks me out, as does Pitt - a little - if Brown makes a miraculous recovery.
Fair enough. And I have to admit - while I am a Pats fan first - sometime probably during 2014 I started saying that I believe in our coach, and I believe in our QB, and I will roll with them. I love BB and TB unconditionally.
I’m with you. It’s completely irrational but I care about Brady’s legacy just as much as the Patriots, if not more. Losing SB42/46 sucked so much for me because I really wanted him to get #4 and tie Montana. Now that he’s at 5, I’d love for him to be able to get to #6 to tie Jordan. If Brady suffered a serious injury and the Pats road Hoyer to miraculous SB win, I would probably enjoy it less than if Brady were QB. Stupid but that’s how it is for me.
Montana (along with another player) was traded for a first. That's really the only comparable. I think Brady fetches at least a first, and probably multiple firsts or a first and multiple additional picks.
Everyone knew Montana was not as good as he once was and Steve Young was breathing down his neck. SF was in a bad trade position. Brady is still the best QB in football.
Great post.
Tom Brady is the greatest football player of all time and the Pats should wring every last ounce from him as they can. Jimmy may be good, or he may not. I don’t know. But he will never be as good as Tom Brady. I bet he will never have a season in his entire career as good as Brady’s upcoming 2018 season.
I recommend you delete this thread and if anyone ever mentions it deny deny deny that you had anything to do with it. Seriously.
I recommend you delete this thread and if anyone ever mentions it deny deny deny that you had anything to do with it. Seriously.
I’m sorry if this point has been made, and I’m not trying to knock JG, but many QBs have had 2-4 amazing games in place of a starter. Remember when Matt Flynn was supposed to be the next great QB? Or nick foles? Hell even Case Keenum. Just because you catch defenses unprepared for your skill set doesn’t make you a good qb
The Patriots are going to stink at some point. Hopefully, not for long but maybe. Hopefully not soon, but maybe. There will be weeks, months, even years where Sunday is not as exciting as it is now. Brady is more likely to have a Michael Jordan or Brett Favre ending than a storybook ending.
We all know this. JG might have postponed the inevitable or made the landing softer. For a little maybe.
This is a singular, crazy synergy. It will end. It is unsustainable. There has never been anything like it. We won't see it again. Our kid's kids might not see it. Father Time doesn't give a fuck about nothing or nobody. He's undefeated. Jimmy G. might have postponed or softened the inevitable but we can't escape it. Maybe we lost a chance at a Steve Young moment.
The question is whether it's a free fall with a nice bounce, or a measured drop. Jimmy might have improved the chances of the latter. Maybe. That's all, though.
We all know this. JG might have postponed the inevitable or made the landing softer. For a little maybe.
This is a singular, crazy synergy. It will end. It is unsustainable. There has never been anything like it. We won't see it again. Our kid's kids might not see it. Father Time doesn't give a fuck about nothing or nobody. He's undefeated. Jimmy G. might have postponed or softened the inevitable but we can't escape it. Maybe we lost a chance at a Steve Young moment.
The question is whether it's a free fall with a nice bounce, or a measured drop. Jimmy might have improved the chances of the latter. Maybe. That's all, though.
There's not a long history of successful quarterback succession plans in the NFL. Thanks to Mo Lewis, we'll never know if the Patriots had a succession plan to move on from Drew Bledsoe, but there are these examples:
Philadelphia Eagles: Ron Jaworski to Randall Cunningham
Jaws was injured and a decade past his prime by the time Cunningham came along. Cunningham brought with him an electrifying style of play. He had a fine career, but he didn't bring the Eagles a ton of success. Cunningham's winningest season came in 1998, throwing to Cris Carter and rookie Randy Moss.
Cincinnati Bengals: Ken Anderson to Boomer Esasion.
Anderson was 1981 MVP. The Bengals lost to Joe Montana and the 49ers in 1982. Boomer had a fine career, but he didn't win the Super Bowl.
Green Bay Packers: Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers
This worked out well for the Packers, but this situation isn't really analogous to New England's. Brady never had a year like Favre's 2005 (4-12 record; 20:29 TD:INT) or lost the locker room.
San Francisco 49ers: Joe Montana to Steve Young
This obviously worked out well for the Niners.
Indianapolis Colts: Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck
Brady and Manning are obviously comparable quarterbacks. It's not fair to compare Jimmy G to Luck at this point. But what looked like an easy win for Indy as recently as last year isn't so sure. Peyton and his Mexican neck surgeon won Super Bowl 50 for Denver, but Luck and the Colts were perennial contenders. Now with Luck's status uncertain, it's an interesting hypothetical: would Colts fans trade the Luck years for one more Super Bowl with Peyton?
This is all anecdata, but the only franchise that transitioned from elite quarterback to Super Bowl winner was San Francisco. Jimmy G might be Steve Young, but there's not a lot of precedent for letting go of the GOAT and continuing to win Super Bowls.
Philadelphia Eagles: Ron Jaworski to Randall Cunningham
Jaws was injured and a decade past his prime by the time Cunningham came along. Cunningham brought with him an electrifying style of play. He had a fine career, but he didn't bring the Eagles a ton of success. Cunningham's winningest season came in 1998, throwing to Cris Carter and rookie Randy Moss.
Cincinnati Bengals: Ken Anderson to Boomer Esasion.
Anderson was 1981 MVP. The Bengals lost to Joe Montana and the 49ers in 1982. Boomer had a fine career, but he didn't win the Super Bowl.
Green Bay Packers: Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers
This worked out well for the Packers, but this situation isn't really analogous to New England's. Brady never had a year like Favre's 2005 (4-12 record; 20:29 TD:INT) or lost the locker room.
San Francisco 49ers: Joe Montana to Steve Young
This obviously worked out well for the Niners.
Indianapolis Colts: Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck
Brady and Manning are obviously comparable quarterbacks. It's not fair to compare Jimmy G to Luck at this point. But what looked like an easy win for Indy as recently as last year isn't so sure. Peyton and his Mexican neck surgeon won Super Bowl 50 for Denver, but Luck and the Colts were perennial contenders. Now with Luck's status uncertain, it's an interesting hypothetical: would Colts fans trade the Luck years for one more Super Bowl with Peyton?
This is all anecdata, but the only franchise that transitioned from elite quarterback to Super Bowl winner was San Francisco. Jimmy G might be Steve Young, but there's not a lot of precedent for letting go of the GOAT and continuing to win Super Bowls.
I said it in another thread but it bears mentioning again. Jimmy will cost $22-$25 million if they franchised him and a long term deal won’t be very far off of that number. There’s no way Kraft and B.B. are getting rid of Brady when he’s playing at this level. Brady’s cap hit is $22 million. Therefore the QB position would cost $50 or so million next year and there’s no way in hell thats going to happen.
Brady playing at this level complicated the situation to the point where they had to move on from Jimmy. If there’s a gripe, it’s that they didn’t trade Jimmy in the offseason for a better return. I’m going to ride Brady’s tenure for as long as it takes us. When he can’t do it anymore it will be a sad day but I won’t lament letting Jimmy go because it was never financially feasible to keep both and I’m choosing Tom at 40 because he’s still got it.
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Brady playing at this level complicated the situation to the point where they had to move on from Jimmy. If there’s a gripe, it’s that they didn’t trade Jimmy in the offseason for a better return. I’m going to ride Brady’s tenure for as long as it takes us. When he can’t do it anymore it will be a sad day but I won’t lament letting Jimmy go because it was never financially feasible to keep both and I’m choosing Tom at 40 because he’s still got it.
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Nick Foles. Case Keenum. Robert Griffin. Daunte Culpepper.
I love Jimmy G. I want him to do well. But young QBs come along, perform well, and get figured out very often and settle into mediocrity all the time. The odds that Jimmy G is a pro-bowler, nevermind an all-timer, are so incredibly low — but people still get caught up in the “woulda shoulda” game.
I mean, you’re literally banking on 5 games of JG performance and upside and based on that SSS we should have dumped the GOAT in favor of rolling with the young guy, even when the GOAT has shown he has 3-5 years left at an elite level potentially?
The Patriots are SB contenders EVERY year that Tom Brady is their QB.
What else needs to be said?
I love Jimmy G. I want him to do well. But young QBs come along, perform well, and get figured out very often and settle into mediocrity all the time. The odds that Jimmy G is a pro-bowler, nevermind an all-timer, are so incredibly low — but people still get caught up in the “woulda shoulda” game.
I mean, you’re literally banking on 5 games of JG performance and upside and based on that SSS we should have dumped the GOAT in favor of rolling with the young guy, even when the GOAT has shown he has 3-5 years left at an elite level potentially?
The Patriots are SB contenders EVERY year that Tom Brady is their QB.
What else needs to be said?
It's not just that. Brady has shown he can lead Super Bowl comebacks down at the last minute. You can't know that till you know that.
This echoes my feelings.
Along with all the other TB things we take for granted, there’s also his remarkable durability. In fact, it makes me nervous and sick even writing about it. Jimmy, on the other hand, suffered a significant injury in his second start. Many QBs just never figure out how to mitigate risk from hits. The posters who are immediately pencilling in JG for 12 years of Super Bowl runs seem to be cheerfully ignoring that, too (in addition to the usual young QB regression mentioned by RG33).
One thing that has made the Jimmy trade a little more tolerable for me is that my confidence in Belichick drafting a young quarterback has skyrocketed recently with the success of Jimmy G and Jacoby Brissett. As much as I didn't like the fact that the Pats had to trade Jimmy, I also understood that it was necessary and I appreciated that he was sent into a great situation rather than some shithole like Cleveland. I'm confident that BB will be able to draft a solid replacement for Brady when that day comes (or sign Jimmy as a free agent once he realizes how much better the organizational situation is in New England).
Just a point on Indy: they played it completely right and obviously were ridiculously lucky to tank in a Luck draft - but Grigson completely pissed away the years during Luck's rookie contract and failed to build an O line and now Luck is hurt.
Speaking of rookie contracts, it has also been interesting that Seattle now seems to be in a freefall with Wilson's contract having expired a couple years ago. I consistently said during his first few years that when they had to pay him $20M+ instead of $500K it would totally change the dynamic of the team - and it did in both cases. Topic for a different thread, of course. At least Seattle got a title and an NFC title out of that run.
I agree with the larger point about flash-in-the-pan young QBs, but it’s worth noting that Nick Foles fell off the table when he was traded to play for Jeff Fisher. (The same coach who came close to having us believe that Jared Goff was a useless #1 pick.)
Sincerely,
Emotionally fragile Eagles fan who doesn’t want his deluded belief in Foles’ ability to be challenged at this particular point in time.
Yep, Belichick had 3 starting quarterbacks on his roster. Guys like Prescott, Wilson, Jimmy G, Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins were all drafted in the 2nd round or later. It’s also been a trend that rookie quarterbacks are developing faster now, perhaps from more complicated college systems.
With this current defense, only Brady makes this team a super bowl contender and If he can play at a high level for at least a few more years, the coaching staff should be able to draft another good starter as they have recently.
Tom Brady is and should be QB of this team until he no longer can perform at the top level. He will know when that is. He won't try to keep playing knowing he can't get it done anymore. He is WAY too smart for that. Plus I think he has earned that, to say the least. Seeing him in a uniform other than that of the NEP will make me projectile vomit instantaneously. None of us, not even TB himself, know that end date yet. 2 years? 3? 5? Who knows. Just enjoy the ride. It's not gonna last forever. And when it does end, I will be able to tell my great-grandchildren (I already have 9 grand-kids), and the nurse who is cleaning up the mess I made in my Eli Manning diapers, that I was fortunate enough to witness the ENTIRE career of the best fucking QB to ever play the game.
Absolutely agree. You can defend this by saying "Well this is just my opinion and other people are also saying their opinion" but that ignores that it's completely insane and not worth the 50+ posts it has so far.
Other people have made other arguments, but the main thing is you're presenting a false choice. It's not "TB for 2-3 years or JG for 10+", there's a third option which is that they find another successor in the next few drafts, or even after that. There's a decent chance that player is going to be better than JG! And you get more chances to hit on one if you don't tie yourself to JG right now.
Or, if the league knows that TB is retiring at X year, maybe you become a free agent or trade destination for an established QB who you like.
He didn’t start the thread, a side discussion arose in another thread and a mod broke it out. It’s a perfectly fine topic to discuss.
H78
Fists of Millennial Fury!
There is a right answer. Bill Fucking Belichick.
The idea of Kraft riding shotgun and overriding BFB's personnel decisions is the worst kind of nonsense, and we should be above that here. Same with the "but, I read a story in February that the Pats were offered 27 first round picks and turned it down" stuff.
BFB does what he thinks is best for the team. He's right a hell of a lot more often than he's wrong. They have seven super bowl trips and five wins, and haven't lost more games than they won in a season since Bill Clinton was president. This is in the salary cap era and includes the fact that they have had two first round picks stolen by the league for optics reasons.
If he made the choice to ride Brady until he has nothing left, I don't second guess that for a second.
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Any notion of keeping JG and trading Brady is delusional. Full stop.
I think it’s also important to remember that all reports over the last 12-18 months have indicated that Jimmy wants to play; he has wanted a starting job at least as much as, if not more than, a generous payday. So even if the Salary Cap Fairy waved her wand and made it financially possible to sign Garappolo to a new deal, he likely wouldn’t have re-upped with Brady in front of him.
I think it’s also important to remember that all reports over the last 12-18 months have indicated that Jimmy wants to play; he has wanted a starting job at least as much as, if not more than, a generous payday. So even if the Salary Cap Fairy waved her wand and made it financially possible to sign Garappolo to a new deal, he likely wouldn’t have re-upped with Brady in front of him.
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That's an interesting notion. Is there someone among the current crop of NFL QBs who would embrace the opportunity to come as a FA to the Pats as Brady's replacement? Any nominees?
If you're another team, if BB comes calling and wants to trade for your backup QB, does that make you wonder about keeping your #1 in place?
I was going to say the exact opposite. Brady loves playing so much that he'll stay well past his expiration date. Hopefully it won't be as annoying as Favre.
I highly doubt it will be as annoying as Favre. Favre’s problem was that he loved playing but hated the off field stuff. Mini-camp, training camp, practice... etc. Brady thrives off that. He loves the preparation. The daily competition and his strive for greatness is built off the day to day grind that is the nfl season... it’s what drives him and has made him the GOAT. Saying that, I don’t think it will be annoying but it could be quite sad. Seeing TB12 hang on longer than he should. He’s stubborn and as a result of that he may not see it (or realize) it’s time to hang it up, as quickly as we do.
All of this is true, but I said "knowing" he can't get it done anymore. Not seeing or realizing it means he doesn't know it yet.
And how can anyone possibly be more annoying than Favre?
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You can see what the bolded could look like. NFL Network did a silly show called Top 10 What Ifs, airing again on Tuesday at 10 pm Pacific, check your local listings. Just a couple other of the what ifs: Elway doesn’t stiff the Baltimore Colts, signs with them and therefore is not right there QBing the Broncos and destroying Cleveland at the end. Twice. So, Cleveland wins a couple of Super Bowls. Peyton stays with the Colts and they win another super bowl with him. I don’t want to spoil the one on Brady and Belichick.
Honest question, how many teams could have traded for Tom Brady this year instead of JG?
You've got a 40 yr old QB with something like a $22M cap hit.
Even if you could resign JG to a long term deal, and were willing to eat millions of dead money in a TB12 trade, the number of teams willing to put together a "1st rounder or multiple 1st rounder" package in the middle of the season, IMO, would be extremely small.
He's not getting dealt to the AFC East, so no BUF, MIA, NYJ. In the AFC North, PIT has Ben, BAL has Flacco, CIN is going no where and has Dalton, and CLE is a mess. In the South, Indy is a mess, HOU has Watson, TEN has Mariota, so maybe JAX? Except Bill isn't trading Tom Brady to possibly their toughest competitor in the AFC. In the West, you might get KC interested, but I'd count LAC, OAK, and DEN out for having QB's or being out of the race. Maybe Elway ponies up draft picks earlier in the year.
In the NFC, you've got: Philly- who had Wentz go down after the trade deadline, so they're out. DAL has Dak, WAS is paying Cousins a ton of money, and the Giants are a mess (and I doubt Bill would send Tom to NY). Maybe you can find a match in the NFC North: Minny, GB (was A-aron hurt before the deadline, I can't remember?), but DET and CHI are likely out. The NFC South has Brees, Ryan, Newton and Winston. The NFC West has the Rams, led by Goff, Wilson in SEA, a middling ARI team and SF.
So we're looking at...what....5 or 6 teams? Let's say JAX, KC, Minny as the top 3 with teams like DEN, ARI, GB sniffing around. Knock off the first two for being legit AFC competition and we're left with fielding offers from 4 teams. Even if Bill considered the AFC teams, a 1st rounder from someone like KC or JAX isn't going to be much higher than a 2nd rounder from SF.
All of this in the hopes that JG is the heir apparent on a playoff team.
You've got a 40 yr old QB with something like a $22M cap hit.
Even if you could resign JG to a long term deal, and were willing to eat millions of dead money in a TB12 trade, the number of teams willing to put together a "1st rounder or multiple 1st rounder" package in the middle of the season, IMO, would be extremely small.
He's not getting dealt to the AFC East, so no BUF, MIA, NYJ. In the AFC North, PIT has Ben, BAL has Flacco, CIN is going no where and has Dalton, and CLE is a mess. In the South, Indy is a mess, HOU has Watson, TEN has Mariota, so maybe JAX? Except Bill isn't trading Tom Brady to possibly their toughest competitor in the AFC. In the West, you might get KC interested, but I'd count LAC, OAK, and DEN out for having QB's or being out of the race. Maybe Elway ponies up draft picks earlier in the year.
In the NFC, you've got: Philly- who had Wentz go down after the trade deadline, so they're out. DAL has Dak, WAS is paying Cousins a ton of money, and the Giants are a mess (and I doubt Bill would send Tom to NY). Maybe you can find a match in the NFC North: Minny, GB (was A-aron hurt before the deadline, I can't remember?), but DET and CHI are likely out. The NFC South has Brees, Ryan, Newton and Winston. The NFC West has the Rams, led by Goff, Wilson in SEA, a middling ARI team and SF.
So we're looking at...what....5 or 6 teams? Let's say JAX, KC, Minny as the top 3 with teams like DEN, ARI, GB sniffing around. Knock off the first two for being legit AFC competition and we're left with fielding offers from 4 teams. Even if Bill considered the AFC teams, a 1st rounder from someone like KC or JAX isn't going to be much higher than a 2nd rounder from SF.
All of this in the hopes that JG is the heir apparent on a playoff team.
That's not correct.
For the acquiring team Brady would've had a cap hit of 1 million this year; the next two years it's 15 million each, 14 million base salary + 1 million roster bonus.
So, if we’re going to give the illusion that I started this thread and called it what it’s called, can I be granted to ability to choose the thread title?
I’d appreciate if it were changed to something like “Would you have traded fewer years of Brady for more years of Jimmy?” Just something more neutral and less of the appearance that I stormed onto SoSH with some hot take and the gall to start a thread with a title that smears that take in people’s faces.
Because that’s not how this conversation was going. I stated I would have preferred the younger guy because I want to see long term success for the NEP. I also stated that I’m not upset about having Brady. 90% of people that come in here are just going to react to the title and not the entirety of the conversation, so a switch to something a little more fair would be appreciated.
I’d appreciate if it were changed to something like “Would you have traded fewer years of Brady for more years of Jimmy?” Just something more neutral and less of the appearance that I stormed onto SoSH with some hot take and the gall to start a thread with a title that smears that take in people’s faces.
Because that’s not how this conversation was going. I stated I would have preferred the younger guy because I want to see long term success for the NEP. I also stated that I’m not upset about having Brady. 90% of people that come in here are just going to react to the title and not the entirety of the conversation, so a switch to something a little more fair would be appreciated.
The title is fair. It's prejudicial, but it's fair.
In a vacuum, your take of preferring 10 years of Jimmy G vs. 2-3 of Brady is not insane. I don't agree with it, but it's not insane.
If your opinion includes any of the following: "But Guerrero", "But tension in the locker room", or any version of "Kraft overruled Belichick"/"Tom is a son to Kraft", then that's where the pigpile begins.
I, for one, will never take you seriously again, H78.
One thing I sometimes wonder: do BB or TB12 ever wish they had the opportunity to prove to the world that they could win a title without the other?
I’m not sure we’ll ever know.
One thing I sometimes wonder: do BB or TB12 ever wish they had the opportunity to prove to the world that they could win a title without the other?
I’m not sure we’ll ever know.
This vacuum assumes that once Brady leaves, H78 is going to be the QB for the Pats. Who knows who they get, he could end up being a stud. I think that is the flaw in this analysis. It assumes the Pats cannot ever find a good QB once Brady leaves and that isn't necessarily the case.
They may VE, but maybe unlike Shaq and Kobe they are smart enough to realize that winning 5-6-7 titles puts them so far ahead of anyone else that it’s not worth it
To me, Brady has earned the right to decide when he’s all done.* He’s still the best QB in the league, his level of play shows little to no sign of slipping yet, and really who knows how good Jimmy is going to be. The Pats are Super Bowl contenders this year and most likely next year (at least) with Brady, you cannot say the same thing about a Garroppolo led team with any degree of certainty. Yeah, I would love for the Pats to keep the success going after he’s gone, but for everything he’s done for the franchise I’m not comfortable kicking him to the curb while he’s still really, really good.
*within limits, I mean if he insists on keeping playing if his level of play is in the bottom 10 QBs in the league that’s a different conversation . . . But we’re not close to that yet.
*within limits, I mean if he insists on keeping playing if his level of play is in the bottom 10 QBs in the league that’s a different conversation . . . But we’re not close to that yet.
Ok, but that doesn't really change the rest of my point. There aren't many teams with a need for a 40 yr old QB and the ones that do are direct competition for another title. The value of the potential 1st from one of those teams, in playoff contention, isn't far from the value of SF's 2nd.
The Patriots would have taken on $14 million in dead money on next year's cap if they traded him. It's not just the acquiring team you have to worry about.
I think BB is rolling the dice on Tom being right about his longevity, which is interesting, because it's unprecedented.No one
really played past 41--Montana and Manning 39, Favre 40, even Testaverde and Moon didn't really do anything past 41. BB
waited as long as he could to see if Tom would go down this year. L doubt he lets JG go if he thinks next year is Tom's last.
really played past 41--Montana and Manning 39, Favre 40, even Testaverde and Moon didn't really do anything past 41. BB
waited as long as he could to see if Tom would go down this year. L doubt he lets JG go if he thinks next year is Tom's last.
If anything, the bolded massively understates the difference between the 49ers situation with Montana/Young and the Pats with Brady/JG.
At the end of 1992, Montana was trying to come back from a serious elbow injury that sidelined him for basically two seasons. In his absence, Steve Young - a veteran with nearly 90 career starts - had become an all-pro QB. When Montana decided that he did not want to retire, the 49ers had no choice but to trade him.
By contrast, Brady is still playing at the highest level of anyone in the NFL. And for all the promise that Garoppolo has shown, he’s still an untested QB. Unless Brady has given an indication that the end is coming, tossing him aside for JG would have been madness.
The 49ers did not want to trade Montana. They named him the starter for '93 despite Young being the "92 MVP!
Montana refused, furious he had to sit on the bench when he got healthy in '92. Montana on Young:
"If he doesn't hate me as much as I hate him, there's something wrong."
Montana refused, furious he had to sit on the bench when he got healthy in '92. Montana on Young:
"If he doesn't hate me as much as I hate him, there's something wrong."
I absolutely agree with you on that, I was simply trying to correct the salary information.
Obviously. Again, I was simply trying to correct the salary information, sorry if that was unclear.
Opinions can't be wrong therefore the thread title, by definition, can't be wrong. Or have I misread you?
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I guess it is fair to say that I cannot falsify the proposition in the thread title...
Carry on.
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