There’s like a full page of things that would have made more sense. It makes me think he’s skewing more towards being senile than just being a drunk. Probably a combination of both.
The cock wants what the cock wants. This is like the 100th weirdest sex thing I’ve heard this year.There’s like a full page of things that would have made more sense. It makes me think he’s skewing more towards being senile than just being a drunk. Probably a combination of both.
If you read the rest of the descriptions, this is not an uncommon amount.Kind of? I mean, all of those hugs seem kinda weird unless he's asking for them as part of the package. Which would also be.... kind of weird.
There's also the fact that he just completely forgoes the perfunctory "massage" part of the rub n' tug and just lies face up on the massage table right off the bat. Pretty much every other client in the affidavit starts with a back massage and then flips over, right?
Then Kraft gives her a $100+ tip. Maybe meaningless considering Kraft is a billionaire. But fits the profile of a known, regular, and valued customer.
I'm making an inference and who really knows, but that's how it reads to me. Wouldn't be surprised if celebrity clients were what piqued the cops' attention in the first place. Which might also explain Schefter's tweet about a bigger name being on the list, then the cops shooting that rumor down. Could be plenty of bigger names that the cops know about but don't have concrete evidence on.
Like every other John in this case, Kraft is probably going to get a deal that's heavy on education and rehabilitation, rather than some kind of grossly punitive jail sentence for a first time offender. There is no indication at all that anything non-standard is likely to happen. That probably holds true for Goodell as well, but who really knows?How many of the positions involved in this case are elective? (Sheriff, State's Attorney, DA?). If there are political considerations for a number of the people involved I can imagine this being pled down to a continuance without a finding with a pledge not to reoffend based on the strong desire of incumbents avoiding having several well heeled defendants funding opponents come election time. Probably justifiable given this is a first offense, there doesn't appear to be clear evidence of negotiations taking place (you are not obligated to prevent someone from committing a sex act on you), the video might be suppressed, the release of details to the public might be prejudicial, and I'm sure donations to an anti human trafficking charity can be arranged. If there is no guilty plea or finding of record what can Goodell then do? "Bob, you got a hand dukie in embarrassing circumstances - you're suspended for a quarter of the season" . Of course he can do just about whatever he wants - but c'mon.
Yeah, I posted something like this upthread. So. FL is full of Dolphin, Jet, and Steeler fans (as well as Pats fans). Can't believe some transplant from Long Island working in the sheriff's office didn't leak it before the SB.Now that we read he was there on the day of the AFC championship game my thought was I’m glad this wasn’t announced/leaked during the 2 weeks between championship game and the Super Bowl.
If it were just this guy and that massage parlor, it probably would have gotten out (or Kraft would have been charged then). But potentially disrupting what has been described as a nationwide sex trafficking investigation just to make your favorite team's rival look bad before the big game would be pretty serious stuff.Yeah, I posted something like this upthread. So. FL is full of Dolphin, Jet, and Steeler fans (as well as Pats fans). Can't believe some transplant from Long Island working in the sheriff's office didn't leak it before the SB.
The best thing that could happen would be for Kraft to take a deal and come out with some kind of even billionaire widowers get lonely statement, coupled with a candid statement that until the investigation he hadn’t really ever understood or considered that this is not a victimless crime, but that his eyes are open now and he applauds law enforcement even though it is very personally embarrassing. The benefit of all this is that it probably would actually have the virtue of being close to the truth. Coupled with a large donation and a pledge to seek to increase human trafficking awareness and maybe some good actually comes out of it all.Like every other John in this case, Kraft is probably going to get a deal that's heavy on education and rehabilitation, rather than some kind of grossly punitive jail sentence for a first time offender. There is no indication at all that anything non-standard is likely to happen. That probably holds true for Goodell as well, but who really knows?
Since he (or the team) has already contributed large sums to anti-trafficking efforts, it might not come off as cynical as it otherwise might. If I were advising, I'd just leave out the "lonely" part and go straight to what you call the "candid statement." Since this will presumably follow a guilty plea (or its equivalent), he should just stay away from trying to excuse his illegal behavior.The best thing that could happen would be for Kraft to take a deal and come out with some kind of even billionaire widowers get lonely statement, coupled with a candid statement that until the investigation he hadn’t really ever understood or considered that this is not a victimless crime, but that his eyes are open now and he applauds law enforcement even though it is very personally embarrassing. The benefit of all this is that it probably would actually have the virtue of being close to the truth. Coupled with a large donation and a pledge to seek to increase human trafficking awareness and maybe some good actually comes out of it all.
Of course, I probably am living in a fantasy world.
You seem to be having a really tough time with this lately, shoehorning your feelings into a lot of weird spots. You OK?He could just follow APA guidelines that as a man he is horribly flawed and a menace to society, like all men, and will seek help.
I think he has to say something, if only so he can end it with "this is the last I'm talking about this." I dont think he wants training camp to be dominated by questions about him. I suspect BB is perfectly capable, on Day 1, of saying, "Robert addressed this back in [whenever] and we've got training camp to deal with."Or maybe he just pays the fine, STFU, and acts with a greater degree of discretion in the future, because there's a good bet he's not getting rehabilitated from getting head from younger women
Kraft's behavior isn't really a good example for the point you seem to be pushing.He could just follow APA guidelines that as a man he is horribly flawed and a menace to society, like all men, and will seek help.
He can say whatever he wants, it’s not going to diminish the questions. Come on man.I think he has to say something, if only so he can end it with "this is the last I'm talking about this." I dont think he wants training camp to be dominated by questions about him. I suspect BB is perfectly capable, on Day 1, of saying, "Robert addressed this back in [whenever] and we've got training camp to deal with."
Football team as dick metaphor is more apt, I think, than football team as gun metaphor.
That service definitely costs extra.He can say whatever he wants, it’s not going to diminish the questions.
Come on man.
Indeed....and furthermore, BB is more than capable of saying “No comment” regardless of whether or not Kraft has said anything.He can say whatever he wants, it’s not going to diminish the questions. Come on man.
I was analogizing to Aaron Hernandez after BB's first-day comments. It wasn't brought up much after that by those covering the team. (I wasn't talking about talk-radio meatheads. They'll talk about anything).He can say whatever he wants, it’s not going to diminish the questions. Come on man.
And the fans, of course.If he pleads guilty through his lawyer, I assume a statement can be released where he apologizes for his behavior, and the embarassment he caused his family, friends, employees and business associates. I'd keep it real short.
At best he might say "You're going to have to talk to Mr. Kraft about that", followed by "I've already answered that...I've already answered that...I've already answered that..."Indeed....and furthermore, BB is more than capable of saying “No comment” regardless of whether or not Kraft has said anything.
I know you meant press conferences and not talk radio. I just disagree (and also disagree that Hernandez stuff stopped quickly). Kraft can say whatever he likes, but BB is going to get peppered for a while about it. Probably Brady too.I was analogizing to Aaron Hernandez after BB's first-day comments. It wasn't brought up much after that by those covering the team. (I wasn't talking about talk-radio meatheads. They'll talk about anything).
"Right now." I agree. He shouldn't say anything until judgment is entered in accordance with his plea.I know you meant press conferences and not talk radio. I just disagree (and also disagree that Hernandez stuff stopped quickly). Kraft can say whatever he likes, but BB is going to get peppered for a while about it. Probably Brady too.
Kraft needs to lay low right now, imo. I don’t see much point in him coming out in order to ‘put it to bed’, but reasonable minds can differ.
There was a warrant in place.@Rovin Romine and others
Any legal issues with innocent people being filmed without their consent? Had to be at least some? Isn't there some level of expectation of privacy being invaded? As the yelp reviews prove, there were at least some women who were clients who didn't know better.
You wouldn’t expect Bill to pull out another Mona Lisa Vito synopsis?Indeed....and furthermore, BB is more than capable of saying “No comment” regardless of whether or not Kraft has said anything.
If the parlor were doing the filming without disclosure, yeah, sure. Even then, that would probably be an invasion of privacy tort, but wouldn’t prevent those videos from being used as evidence if the police found them.@Rovin Romine and others
Any legal issues with innocent people being filmed without their consent? Had to be at least some? Isn't there some level of expectation of privacy being invaded? As the yelp reviews prove, there were at least some women who were clients who didn't know better.
At 77, what are the real chances of getting head from an older woman?Or maybe he just pays the fine, STFU, and acts with a greater degree of discretion in the future, because there's a good bet he's not getting rehabilitated from getting head from younger women
https://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/08/prweb2799894.htmAt 77, what are the real chances of getting head from an older woman?
Well aware. But one for a long period of time, and including everyone, including obvious innocents, seems unreasonable to meThere was a warrant in place.
Wouldn't that only be a thing if the video was used against an otherwise innocent person?Well aware. But one for a long period of time, and including everyone, including obvious innocents, seems unreasonable to me
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized"
Since you seem to have a strong opinion on this, perhaps looking up the numbers and doing some reading on this would better inform your argument and/or change your mind.stuff
How is it unreasonable?Well aware. But one for a long period of time, and including everyone, including obvious innocents, seems unreasonable to me
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized"
You’re not even incorrectly reading the amendment correctly.Well aware. But one for a long period of time, and including everyone, including obvious innocents, seems unreasonable to me
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized"
If you were a woman getting a massage, would you want some male police officer/detective looking at you getting undressed on video?Wouldn't that only be a thing if the video was used against an otherwise innocent person?
Like, if they tap a phone line because they suspect that there's criminal activity being done over that line, is it a violation of someone's rights if they pick up that phone to order pizza and it happens to be recorded/monitored?
I could see that defense i the warrant was related to prostitution/trafficking and some guy came in for a totally legit massage but was caught on tape smoking a joint or something, bot not if he came in to partake of the very services that the warrant was issued for.
Yeah, I don't know the case very well. And maybe the cameras were set up in rooms where the women were living and stuff so they were designed to catch both.I don’t disagree with your broader points, but the prostitution is relevant evidence of the trafficking.
So I think you’ve made the point a couple of times that this could diminish his influence on committees and NFL policy positions going forward. You may very well be correct.Yes. And from a broader perspective, if he is going to get his Jerry Thornton on and play the victim,
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Bob Kraft will not have a happy ending. Not so much from a legal perspective — there are tight limits on what they can do to him, and I agree with RR that there is no evidence the authorities will single him out for unduly harsh treatment.
From an NFL perspective. If he doesn’t have the judgment to STFU, lay low, and make this go away as quickly as possible, then he doesn’t have the judgment to be conducting important League business on behalf of 31 other owners.
If the tape leaks, he is screwed in this respect, but even if it doesn’t, you can bet the other 31 are watching carefully.
You tell me.Kraft's behavior isn't really a good example for the point you seem to be pushing.
I care for him personally because he has been a spectacular owner, and I don’t want him humiliated further with wings clipped and so forth. Honestly, from our selfish standpoint, the narrower the target profile for our owner, the better. And I’ve seen no evidence that these positions of power and influence confer on the Pats any competitive advantage. To the contrary, the image of influence and coziness with the Commissioner probably are detrimental when disciplinary matters pop up.So I think you’ve made the point a couple of times that this could diminish his influence on committees and NFL policy positions going forward. You may very well be correct.
My question is, as a Patriots fan, why should I care?
Is there trafficking?I don’t disagree with your broader points, but the acts of prostitution are relevant evidence of the trafficking.