Stiiiiiiill waiting on that oven.MiracleOfO2704 said:Anyone have an oven I can stick my head in?
Manchester City 0-1 West HamLuis Taint said:I still think that Manchester City is going to to draw or lose one of the last two.
Well put. Any smack talk from other fans is a joke. The turnaround at Liverpool has been incredible. This heartbreak is so much better than 7th place. And if there's one thing we know as Liverpool fans, it's that you never, ever give up.cjdmadcow said:It looks like we will fall short now but I'm so proud of what this team has achieved this season. If you're gonna go down then go down in flames playing attractive football rather than the styles employed by certain other teams.
I expect some smack talk in the next few days but quite frankly, I don't care because we've overachieved this season and at least have shown what can happen...it's given us hope where none existed before.
Talk that we've missed a chance because other teams will reload in the summer is nonsense...so will we and this experience, though extremely painful at the moment, will stand us in good stead in the future.
This is LFC's 2003...remember that.
SoxFanInCali said:Apparently whoever runs Spurs' Twitter feed decided to have some fun. They took it down pretty quickly, but as we all know, nothing ever disappears from the internet.
cjdmadcow said:If you're gonna go down then go down in flames playing attractive football rather than the styles employed by certain other teams.
SoxFanInCali said:121, you are missing the point.
This is just false. Liverpool finished 2nd in 2009, four points behind Man Utd on 86 points, which is more points than they will have this year, and were in the thick of the title race until the 4-4 draw with Arsenal. They also lead the division in goals scored that year by a pretty significant margin (Liverpool had 77 in a significantly more defensive league, no one else had more than 68).SoxFanInCali said:
I watched Liverpool play that style under Benitez, and we even won a couple of cups thanks to Gerrard willing the team to victory, but we never got this close to the league.
coremiller said:This is just false. Liverpool finished 2nd in 2009, four points behind Man Utd on 86 points, which is more points than they will have this year, and were in the thick of the title race until the 4-4 draw with Arsenal. They also lead the division in goals scored that year by a pretty significant margin (Liverpool had 77 in a significantly more defensive league, no one else had more than 68).
soxfan121 said:
Yours is a good post and nothing I will quibble with but I was quite clear about what I was responding to (the quoted sentence) and why is it is balderdash.
I mean, I get that international football fans like to believe in some romantic notions about "playing the right way" and "I'd rather go down playing attractive football" but my response to such nonsense is "the right way is a win" and "you're full of shit".
Chelsea were also busy trying to keep up England's status in European competition(while the other three teams did their usual disappointment act). I'll take the season we had and the 6 points off you guys.SoxFanInCali said:
You seem to be reading his comment to mean we would rather lose pretty than win ugly. That's not really it, as it's a dig at Chelsea, who are also coming up short. He's really saying that if both Liverpool and Chelsea lose out, at least Liverpool did it in an attacking, entertaining manner.
If he said that about Chelsea and we finished behind them, I would agree more with the point you are making..
Fire him for what? Not many of us expected to finish first, and none of us thought we'd come close to winning the CL. Liverpool fans are like 12 year old kids who never learn new insults: Russian blood money, plastic flag brigade.....is this stuff supposed to bother me? Or make you feel better about your season being drowned in Suarez's tears?SoxFanInCali said:With the results of the last month, if your manager was anyone but The Special One you and the rest of the plastic flag waving brigade would be calling for him to be fired.
I wasn't getting preachy, just explaining why I thought SF121 mis-read CJD's post. I want to win, and wish we would have dropped into your 6-4-0 once we gave up the first goal, but I'm not going to totally rip apart the strategy that has us alive for the title going into Matchday 38.
For not winning anything. That's all it has taken for your last 5 or 6 managers. Some even got fired when they did win something.Snakebauer007 said:Fire him for what?
EVERY preview I saw at the beginning of the season had Chelsea and City fighting it out for the title. Many gave you the edge when Jose returned. If you want to tell me that most Chelsea fans had no expectations, then you weren't paying much attention to the beginning of the season.Snakebauer007 said:Not many of us expected to finish first, and none of us thought we'd come close to winning the CL.
I don't give a flying fuck whether it bothers you or not. I do know you are all extremely sensitive about it, so there must be a kernel of truth in there somewhere.Snakebauer007 said:Liverpool fans are like 12 year old kids who never learn new insults: Russian blood money, plastic flag brigade.....is this stuff supposed to bother me?
I will be disappointed if we don't win the title, as any fan in this situation would be, but if you think I need to feel better about this season, you haven't read too many of the other 1,200+ posts in this thread. The fact that Suarez clearly was as crushed as we are makes me happy that he's on our side.Snakebauer007 said:Or make you feel better about your season being drowned in Suarez's tears?
I'm sorry who is being sensitive? This is how it goes though, all of you can come into the Chelsea thread and take potshots when ever you feel like it, and I do my best to take it in stride or respond to anyone actually making a point but the second I respond to anything in here it gets all angry and defensive. if you don't give a flying fuck(is it possible to say that and not look so obviously like you do give a lot of fucks?), you could have responded to my initial point without the unnecessary insults or not responded at all.SoxFanInCali said:For not winning anything. That's all it has taken for your last 5 or 6 managers. Some even got fired when they did win something.
EVERY preview I saw at the beginning of the season had Chelsea and City fighting it out for the title. Many gave you the edge when Jose returned. If you want to tell me that most Chelsea fans had no expectations, then you weren't paying much attention to the beginning of the season.
I don't give a flying fuck whether it bothers you or not. I do know you are all extremely sensitive about it, so there must be a kernel of truth in there somewhere.
I will be disappointed if we don't win the title, as any fan in this situation would be, but if you think I need to feel better about this season, you haven't read too many of the other 1,200+ posts in this thread. The fact that Suarez clearly was as crushed as we are makes me happy that he's on our side.
Fair points all around. I usually avoid this thread at all times but it seems like the Chelsea thread has become completely fair game so I Figured wtf. In any event, the last thing I would like is another pissing contest, and glad we avoided thatSoxFanInCali said:I can't speak for others, but I generally avoid other team threads the day they lose a game, especially after a brutal one. i think after the loss to Sunderland, the only thing I said was that it ended Jose's (legitimately) incredible home winning streak.
Every fan base is hypocritical, ripping on strategies that go against you while praising them when they work for you. I even pointed out when talking about the attack vs. defense strategy that I loved it when we scratched out 1-0 wins in the CL under Rafa. I also said that insulting Chelsea for their strategy would have been sour grapes had you won the title. My only point is that if Liverpool don't win (and I'm not conceding yet, too many weird things have happened to say that City can't lose one of these games), it's more fun to watch a team that scores 100 goals than one that specializes in 1-0 wins that also comes up short. I did find it ridiculous that Chelsea's Twitter feed complained about Norwich going into a shell, though, and your rush to defend it made me shake my head a bit.
Today sucked. I killed a few beers when I got home. I got wound up, but I really would buy you a beer if we watched a game together.
(I can't promise that I wouldn't hit you with a chair later, though).
Snakebauer007 said:Chelsea were also busy trying to keep up England's status in European competition(while the other three teams did their usual disappointment act). I'll take the season we had and the 6 points off you guys.
I knew someone out there would appreciate mecjdmadcow said:
On this miserable, drizzley Tuesday morning at least this made me smile. The suggestion that Chelsea were playing for anyone other than themselves is laughable. Thanks for cheering me up, Snake, beers are on me if I ever get the chance of making it over the Atlantic.
One of the underappreciated aspects of soccer is how fans are always trying to talk themselves into ways their club can fuck it up. Too much belief when we've seen it all got to hell too any times is asking for it.teddykgb said:Too many eulogies being written today. Yesterday's result gave City a little room, but it didn't fundamentally change much. City still need to win 2, for the most part. Yes, they can now slip a draw, but this City team hasn't always answered the bell either and if City can beat Villa (which we failed at earlier this season, amazingly) then that last match will be full of pressure. Not intended to be a pep talk, but I don't really think the reaction to the draw is a bit over the top, similar to how City were written off after the draw versus Sunderland.
To be fair, Rodgers did play for a draw against Chelsea. Pool had the majority of possession because that's their style and Chelsea sat so deep, but the fullbacks were much less involved going forward than normal. The goal didn't come from some tactical miscalculation, Gerard just fell over at the worst possible time.mgoblue2 said:For all the talk about the defense not being up to snuff for a while (which it has been), I'm surprised Mr. Rodgers didn't manage to sign a defender with the money that was seemingly being used on Yevhen Konoplyanka. Goals were not the problem, defense was. Rodgers should've played for the draw against Chelsea, but-much like last night-he thought he had to show everyone who had more balls. Ego got in the way of this one, it started at Sunderland with the guard of honor and parading and has culminated in this, something I would only wish on Liverpool. They still may win the title but at this point it would be a City collapse that gives it to them.
Snake has a point about Chelsea also having to manage the CL. Sure they weren't playing for England but it's still a strain on a rather large squad, one Liverpool have not had to deal with this season. It will be impressive if both Merseyside clubs stay where they are in the table next season with the added weight of European play.
The three 0-0 draws at home to weaker sides (plus the Arsenal 4-4) cost them the title, but I don't think it was a failure of style or lack of attacking intent. They were after all the highest scoring team in the league with the best striker, and they thoroughly dominated all of those games. Perhaps they were a little one-dimensional and overly reliant on Gerrard/Torres for goals, but that's a different problem. Sometimes the ball just doesn't go in.SoxFanInCali said:Not once did Liverpool actually have control of the race. We took 31 of the last 33 available points, and still finished 4 back. The 4-1 at Old Trafford gave us a shot, but the Mancs weren't giving that title up.
The crazy thing is that Liverpool only lost 2 games that entire season. The reason they didn't win the title? 11 draws, because they couldn't score the big goal against lesser sides when they needed it.