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So Beverly completely shut down Ball and was physically aggressive, obviously annoyed with the hype and talked A LOT of shit. Predictably, LaVar had some words for Beverly along the lines of "who is he/he doesn't have his own shoe/it's one game."

Disappointing start for Ball. Honestly I didn't see much from Teodosic either though.
 

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So Beverly completely shut down Ball and was physically aggressive, obviously annoyed with the hype and talked A LOT of shit. Predictably, LaVar had some words for Beverly along the lines of "who is he/he doesn't have his own shoe/it's one game."

Disappointing start for Ball. Honestly I didn't see much from Teodosic either though.
I'm rooting for Ball (well at least until he plays the Cs) but people are expecting way too much from him. While parts of his game are NBA level, other parts are not and he's going to have to work on his body to keep up with the physical play. To me, he's as far away as Ingram was when he entered the league.
 

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The Lakers are a ~30 win team that opponents are going to hype themselves up to play against as if they were the Warriors because of all the spotlight. Most opposing guards aren't going to be as good as Beverly but if they know they can get on Sportscenter and trend on Twitter by bullying Lonzo, they're gonna do their best. I wonder if they should have tried to set expectations better and maybe had him come off the bench to start the season (like Fultz); just imagine what Lavar's reaction to that would have been.

His first good game will just flip the narrative again, of course.
 

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Could there have been a worse opening night matchup for Ball than going headsup with Patrick Beverly? He'll be fine in time but he is a rookie PG in a league with a dozen veteran All-Star level PG's looking to send his father a message. This is going to be a long year for him.
 

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The Lakers are a ~30 win team that opponents are going to hype themselves up to play against as if they were the Warriors because of all the spotlight. Most opposing guards aren't going to be as good as Beverly but if they know they can get on Sportscenter and trend on Twitter by bullying Lonzo, they're gonna do their best. I wonder if they should have tried to set expectations better and maybe had him come off the bench to start the season (like Fultz); just imagine what Lavar's reaction to that would have been.

His first good game will just flip the narrative again, of course.
Spot on. The silver lining for Ball is that he will get a chance to hone his skills against playoff-style (not mid December or late February) defense each night. It will make him even better in the long run.
 

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Yeah he will learn that lesson. He has already switched to ignoring what happened on the court, and talking about money, fame. In the game he has started if he stops talking he loses too.

I will add after the shitty sports week taking place, I am clinging to "Lonzo is bust, Lakers win 12 games" as my hope.
 
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Could there have been a worse opening night matchup for Ball than going headsup with Patrick Beverly? He'll be fine in time but he is a rookie PG in a league with a dozen veteran All-Star level PG's looking to send his father a message. This is going to be a long year for him.
Yeah--he could have matched up against one of those dozen veteran All-Star level PG's :)
 

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LaVar Ball said:
Yeah, you 'shut the m-----f----- down'. And your check still ain't going to go no higher than what it is. Yeah, you shut him down. OK ... Who is Patrick Beverley? He played all last year and nobody said nothing about him.
Sorry LaVar, you don't get to do a Karim Garcia on A) a guy who just owned your son, and B) when you're not even a participant in the sport.

Now, if Beverly had come out and done a "Who is Lonzo Ball? Who is he to challenge me, proven player in the league for 6 years?", he would not only get full marks, he'd vault to near the top of my favorite player list. But such a diss cannot, by definition, go both ways.
 

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I also believe the media's intense focus on the kid will amp up a few opponents. I am of the mind that Point guard in the NBA may be the hardest thing to do in sports. The guys that get there are insanely talented, and have been through the ringer. It is a lot to ask of any rookie to compete right away, let alone with giant bullseye on his back.
 

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Can this dude shut the fuck up for once in his life?
I genuinely think the answer is no.

He has created a character much more interesting than regular old failed baller LaVar. He now inhabits this character completely and it will always have the last word no matter how ridiculous or counterfactual.

The media, and we the complicit, consume this like starving people at the buffet and the cycles spins on...It is great theatre though!
 

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Why would he shut up? He's found that every time he speaks people fall all over themselves to pay attention to him. So what if he ruins his sons' careers along the way?

Make no mistake, none of this is about the kids. It's always been all about LaVar. I don't think he genuinely gives a shit about Lonzo save that he doesn't completely wash out of the league.
 

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I think it's great. I mean I think he's a blowhard but the NBA has plenty of room for personalities and fun. The only thing that is not great is if Lonzo legitimately wants him to back off and he won't.
 

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I think it's great. I mean I think he's a blowhard but the NBA has plenty of room for personalities and fun. The only thing that is not great is if Lonzo legitimately wants him to back off and he won't.
If he does - or decides later that he wants to - then he does have the trump card here as the actual, you know, star player. He can make it clear that LaVar does not speak for him, sever business ties with his father (and if need be / dragged to those lengths, personal ties too), and even ask that his father not be allowed to attend games if he's going to continue to comment to the media. People can only talk about the interpersonal drama just so long when the actual famous side in it refuses to give them further fodder.

Hell, he could ask the team to threaten to refuse credentials to anyone who interviews his father about the lakers. They can interview the crazy hobo down in Skid Row about the lakers too, but don't expect to be taken seriously as a reporter afterwards, right? Point is, Lonzo can put down a firm foot if he wants to. His entire life seems to have been prelude to him being emotionally unable to do so, but he's 19, he'll start feeling like an adult sooner or later.
 

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If he does - or decides later that he wants to - then he does have the trump card here as the actual, you know, star player. He can make it clear that LaVar does not speak for him, sever business ties with his father (and if need be / dragged to those lengths, personal ties too), and even ask that his father not be allowed to attend games if he's going to continue to comment to the media. People can only talk about the interpersonal drama just so long when the actual famous side in it refuses to give them further fodder.

Hell, he could ask the team to threaten to refuse credentials to anyone who interviews his father about the lakers. They can interview the crazy hobo down in Skid Row about the lakers too, but don't expect to be taken seriously as a reporter afterwards, right? Point is, Lonzo can put down a firm foot if he wants to. His entire life seems to have been prelude to him being emotionally unable to do so, but he's 19, he'll start feeling like an adult sooner or later.
Could you imagine Lonzo at 24-25 still dealing with Dad squawking before and after every game?
 

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Jason Taylor of Dolphins fame severed ties with his father who was a similar blow hard.
Raises an interesting question: what's the closest pro sports father analogue. Bidding starts at Earl Woods, although I guess Richard Williams is the obvious alternative (with Marc Marinovich creeping into the conversation).
 

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Raises an interesting question: what's the closest pro sports father analogue. Bidding starts at Earl Woods, although I guess Richard Williams is the obvious alternative (with Marc Marinovich creeping into the conversation).
Richard Williams is a fucking saint compared to Jim Pierce:

 

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Why would he shut up? He's found that every time he speaks people fall all over themselves to pay attention to him. So what if he ruins his sons' careers along the way?

Make no mistake, none of this is about the kids. It's always been all about LaVar. I don't think he genuinely gives a shit about Lonzo save that he doesn't completely wash out of the league.
I don't feel there is any chance of LaVar ruining his sons career. He's a good kid and both teammates and opponents love him once they get realize that Lonzo isn't LaVar. Sure it will get guys like Beverly and other PG's fired up to play him but that will only make the kid better......the fact that he didn't get razzled against the Clippers speaks volumes about his maturity as a player.

I do agree it is all about LaVar......his kids are just an extension of him living out a dream that he never had a chance at achieving.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/lavar-ball-1.html
 

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Raises an interesting question: what's the closest pro sports father analogue. Bidding starts at Earl Woods, although I guess Richard Williams is the obvious alternative (with Marc Marinovich creeping into the conversation).
I'm just hoping LaVar never gets to the Cecil Fielder point.
 

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I'm just hoping LaVar never gets to the Cecil Fielder point.
I assume youmean ganble away allthe money, but Lavar can't even dream of being Cecil. Cecil Fielder was an MLB all star. Lavar isn't even "couldn't hit the curve with the Jays was sent to Japan" Cecil. Lavar isn't even Russ Mormon or Roberto Petagine.

Also Cecil being listed at 230 is one of the great lies ever to appear in print.
 

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I assume youmean ganble away allthe money, but Lavar can't even dream of being Cecil. Cecil Fielder was an MLB all star. Lavar isn't even "couldn't hit the curve with the Jays was sent to Japan" Cecil. Lavar isn't even Russ Mormon or Roberto Petagine.

Also Cecil being listed at 230 is one of the great lies ever to appear in print.
Bill James once wrote "Cecil Fielder was listed at 255 which makes you wonder what it would read if he put his other foot on the scale."
 

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Baby needs a new pair of shoes.
I laughed.

LiAngelo was pretty close to being disowned anyway, I'd be surprised at this point if either of the Ball brothers make anything other than the summer league.
 

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The players are being questioned about stealing from a Louis Vuitton store that is located next to the team's hotel.

A source tells ESPN the players are not currently with the team.

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One source told ESPN that nearly 20 police officers came into the Hyatt Hangzhou at approximately 8 a.m. local time Tuesday and spoke to multiple players from both Georgia Tech and UCLA. The players, according to the source, were kept in a room for hours and not allowed to speak to any of the coaches.

"They weren't messing around," the source told ESPN. "The kids were scared."

The Georgia Tech players were allowed to leave the room hours later, and the UCLA players were seen getting into a police vehicle around 1 p.m. local time, according to the source.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/21331147/ucla-players-liangelo-ball-cody-riley-jalen-hill-arrested-china-shoplifting
 

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Dad will probably buy him another Lamborghini. The more talented kid isn’t very good and the rest will others will likely never play in the NBA. Better cash in now Lavar, this is the peak
 

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Dad will probably buy him another Lamborghini. The more talented kid isn’t very good and the rest will others will likely never play in the NBA. Better cash in now Lavar, this is the peak
Is this the consensus? I had read (anecdotally) that the younger Ball may be the best of the 3. Is that not so?
 

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Is this the consensus? I had read (anecdotally) that the younger Ball may be the best of the 3. Is that not so?
Lonzo is by far the best prospect. The little one is hard to tell because the games I’ve seen him play he just shoots threes from several feet behind the line and makes like, 25 percent of them. It’s not real basketball and he hasn’t shown Lonzo’s passing skills at all.
 

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Ball was released on bail and told to remain in the hotel. He won't be playing Friday night. Obviously.
 

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This is one of those situations where I think Singapore has it right: Public humiliation and/or flogging. There's no need for anything expensive to society or even to the perp. Parade them into a square, whip their butts red, don't overdo it, and put them on the next flight home. Punishment fits the crime.
 

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This is one of those situations where I think Singapore has it right: Public humiliation and/or flogging. There's no need for anything expensive to society or even to the perp. Parade them into a square, whip their butts red, don't overdo it, and put them on the next flight home. Punishment fits the crime.
I agreed with that until the first time I watched Glory, not to get too serious on you.
 

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It looks like people are betting on the pull of the sponsors of the event making this a minor punishment and lifetime ban. If these were just random tourists they'd be doing several months in prison at a minimum
 

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May I ask how you reached the conclusion that tourists in China would serve several months in prison for shoplifting? I am not arguing they would or would not, but it seems odd. Fines would seem a better solution. Do you have the source for your statement, please?