Lucas Giolito has an elbow issue.

[soxhop411]

Giolito has an elbow issue. Sox gathering info. Won’t be ready for Opening Day. Does not sound like a minor issue based on what Cora said.
View: https://twitter.com/PeteAbe/status/1765030834682147256

 

[LesterFan]

Yeah this is bad. They certainly need another starter, that's for sure.

View: https://twitter.com/IanMBrowne/status/1765031807655760373?s=20

 

[jmcc5400]

Look at the 2025 rotation setting itself into place.

 

[Apisith]

Oh for fuck’s sake. If he gets TJ he’s almost done for next year as well. Almost $38m gone.

 

[DeadlySplitter]

Wonderful. Just peachy.

Scott Boras just readded another year to his asking price.

 

[nvalvo]

Oh, brutal. This just goes to show for the millionth time that even the pitchers who reliably take the ball, for whom health is a skill, are just one elbow twinge away…

 

[Petagine in a Bottle]

Players get hurt, depth is essential. Signing a guy like Ryu, at the very least, seems like a good idea.

 

[Manuel Aristides]

I mean, lol. What a disaster.

 

[tims4wins]

This news has me now 100% against a Montgomery signing. Just sell all possible pieces like Jensen.

 

[donutogre]

Holy shit... putting aside all of the agita of the past few years, the Sox really do feel snakebit with injury troubles.

 

[TheYellowDart5]

Players get hurt, depth is essential. Signing a guy like Ryu, at the very least, seems like a good idea.

Ryu went back to Korea and signed with his old KBO team.

The theme of this Red Sox offseason should be "play stupid games, win stupid prizes"

 

[soxhop411]

Ryu went back to Korea and signed with his old KBO team.

The theme of this Red Sox offseason should be "play stupid games, win stupid prizes"

Uh no... Lucas Giolito has rarely missed extended time... this was not like signing Sale...

Oh, brutal. This just goes to show for the millionth time that even the pitchers who reliably take the ball, for whom health is a skill, are just one elbow twinge away…

Exactly

 

[radsoxfan]

Wow, that's rough.

Just another example why these player opt-outs for pitchers in the future are hugely valuable to them.

 

[DeadlySplitter]

So both our major acquisitions this off-season are hurt by March 5, and Sale apparently has looked great.

Could be absolutely snakebit on injury luck.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Players get hurt, depth is essential. Signing a guy like Ryu, at the very least, seems like a good idea.

Didn't Ryu just sign an 8 year deal in Korea?


This news sucks. Hopefully it turns out to be minor. Just shows that there are no guarantees and durability is really not a skill.

 

[TheYellowDart5]

Uh no... Lucas Giolito has rarely missed extended time... this was not like signing Sale...

Exactly

That's not in response to Giolito's health but to the highly risky contract he was given that's already blowing up in the FO's face; they tried to get cute to avoid a bigger commitment elsewhere, and now they're paying for it

 

[Rovin Romine]

Well, he got a significant velocity bump from some new mechanics. Perhaps this is something that will clear up.

Oh for fuck’s sake. If he gets TJ he’s almost done for next year as well. Almost $38m gone.

Let's wait for the test results. While not dispositive, at least it's not the dreaded "forearm tightness."

 

[YTF]

This news has me now 100% against a Montgomery signing. Just sell all possible pieces like Jensen.

You prefer to go through the whole process again next season?

 

[InsideTheParker]

Gosh, was just reading in the ST thread that he was pleased with the results he was getting from a new grip taught him by Bailey &Co. Ooops.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Go fucking sign Montgomery.
View: https://twitter.com/jeffpassan/status/1765036563900039586?s=46&t=IVL2VrlFgLlpc3mjGGto8Q

 

[johnnywayback]

https://x.com/JeffPassan/status/1765036563900039586?s=20


Jeff Passan

@JeffPassan
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Brutal news: Initial imaging showed Boston Red Sox starter Lucas Giolito likely has a partially torn UCL and flexor strain and could miss the 2024 season, league sources tell ESPN. Giolito, who signed a two-year deal with Boston, may need surgery to repair the right-elbow damage.

 

[gibreel]

https://twitter.com/JeffPassan

Brutal news: Initial imaging showed Boston Red Sox starter Lucas Giolito likely has a partially torn UCL and flexor strain and could miss the 2024 season, league sources tell ESPN. Giolito, who signed a two-year deal with Boston, may need surgery to repair the right-elbow damage.

 

[6-5 Sadler]

@JeffPassan
Brutal news: Initial imaging showed Boston Red Sox starter Lucas Giolito likely has a partially torn UCL and flexor strain and could miss the 2024 season, league sources tell ESPN. Giolito, who signed a two-year deal with Boston, may need surgery to repair the right-elbow damage.

 

[Time to Mo Vaughn]

What sort of elbow issue would cause a SP to be out at least a month, but not ultimately require Tommy John? I mean besides a partially torn UCL healed from platelets and deer antler spray of course.

Tendinitis seems like it wouldn't crop up quite this early, but I am not a doctor and have no idea what I'm talking about. Bone spurs?

 

[Salem's Lot]

Go fucking sign Montgomery.
View: https://twitter.com/jeffpassan/status/1765036563900039586?s=46&t=IVL2VrlFgLlpc3mjGGto8Q

Zero chance they sign Montgomery now. I’m sure ownership is saying “See! The data is right! All of these guys get hurt!”

 

[Rovin Romine]

That's not in response to Giolito's health but to the highly risky contract he was given that's already blowing up in the FO's face; they tried to get cute to avoid a bigger commitment elsewhere, and now they're paying for it

Gonna strongly disagree here.

The primary risk in Giolitto's contract was that he'd continue to suck and be homer-prone. If he's fixable in bounceback/mechanical sense, and can revert to his 2021 form, it's a good contract. (And partially, it's a good contract because this is his age 29 season, and it's for short years.)

There wasn't (IIRC) a significant medical risk with Giolitto. He's made 30 starts in the past 3 years.

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Imagine if we signed Montgomery and he came down with the same injury. Gone for 1.5 years, with the potential repeat of the Chris Sale Saga. But without as high a ceiling.

 

[johnnywayback]

Zero chance they sign Montgomery now. I’m sure ownership is saying “See! The data is right! All of these guys get hurt!”

Or, at the very least, "See! This team has no shot to compete in 2024!"

 

[mikeford]

Time to go revise those predictions down 6-7 wins

 

[DadOfFenway]

wow... a cross road now... throw $$ at it or just totally punt the season... have a feeling i know which way it goes.

 

[Big Papi's Mango Salsa]

This seems about right.

Come on Jansen and Martin trade...

 

[RedOctober3829]

Or, at the very least, "See! This team has no shot to compete in 2024!"

Or it’s an argument that they did not have enough pitching to begin with because injuries happen and this rotation wasn’t nearly good enough even if Giolito was good.

 

[tims4wins]

Time to go revise those predictions down 6-7 wins

This is a 100 loss team. Or could be, if they trade Jansen and Martin and some other things don't go well.

 

[johnnywayback]

Or it’s an argument that they did not have enough pitching to begin with because injuries happen and this rotation wasn’t nearly good enough even if Giolito was good.

I mean, that's the argument I would make, but it's pretty obvious ownership doesn't see it that way...

 

[TheYellowDart5]

The funniest outcome of this is Garrett Whitlock going back into the rotation full-time and SJH's head exploding

 

[Kliq]

It would seem like this would be a new issue that wasn't apparent with the Sox first signed him, but could there be any relation to his horrible second-half of the season and him pitching at less than 100%, and then something flared back up once he started ramping things up during Spring Training?

 

[SouthernBoSox]

Tanner Houck and Whitlock are in the rotation right now.

You are ONE(!!) injury away from another opener situation.

Injuries always happen. Always, which is why the plan should have always been to have Houck and Whitlock in the pen

 

[mikeford]

This is a 100 loss team. Or could be, if they trade Jansen and Martin and some other things don't go well.

No arguments here. They start moving expiring pieces early and I will want to further lower the total.

Bad team! Owners at fault!

 

[BigSoxFan]

Great job giving that player option. Left all the downside risk to the Sox.

 

[Jed Zeppelin]

Man, that really sucks. Not counting 2020 his IP by full season was:

• 173
• 176
• 178
• 161
• 184

What can you say? Whether you liked the signing or not it's just shit luck and more than ever it's clear that any path to success demands a real commitment to developing pitchers en masse because otherwise the value is clearly never going to be right for this FO to find outside solutions to build a rotation.

Have felt the team had some juice to be decently fun to follow—if not great—if things broke right, so this has me bummed out quite a bit as having another guy to take the ball and be not godawful every 5th day was a big part of things breaking right.

 

[SouthernBoSox]

Man, that really sucks. Not counting 2020 his IP by full season was:

• 173
• 176
• 178
• 161
• 184

What can you say? Whether you liked the signing or not it's just shit luck and more than ever it's clear that any path to success demands a real commitment to developing pitchers en masse.

Have felt the team had some juice to be decently fun to follow—if not great—if things broke right, so this has me bummed out quite a bit as having another guy to take the ball and be not godawful every 5th day was a big part of things breaking right.

Injuries ALWAYS HAPPEN.

I mean they need to sign Montgomery AND Michael Lorenzen

 

[moondog80]

Time to go revise those predictions down 6-7 wins

That’s a pretty rosy outlook on what Giolito would have done.

 

[mikeford]

That’s a pretty rosy outlook on what Giolito would have done.

What can I say, I liked the guy

 

[Salem's Lot]

Injuries ALWAYS HAPPEN.

I mean they need to sign Montgomery AND Michael Lorenzen

I don’t know why we continue to think that they might actually add payroll right now. They’re looking to dump money, not add it.

 

[Rovin Romine]

Time to go revise those predictions down 6-7 wins

Don't be a chicken - put your mouth where your mouth is and enter the yearly prediction contest: https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/lets-predict-the-2024-red-sox-season.41886/

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Injuries ALWAYS HAPPEN.

I mean they need to sign Montgomery AND Michael Lorenzen

Fuck it. Sign Snell and Greinke and Clevinger and Cueto too. Deep depth to guard against injury.

 

[SouthernBoSox]

I don’t know why we continue to think that they might actually add payroll right now. They’re looking to dump money, not add it.

This team is an injury away from looking at a 90 loss season

 

[DeadlySplitter]

This team *should* have too much talent to bottom out at 95+ losses.

But 90+ losses? I think it's on the table. Right now the projected OD roster is the 2023 roster... minus Sale. With some bullpen reconfiguring as usual, but that is truly the case right now.

 

[johnnywayback]

Right now the projected OD roster is the 2023 roster... minus Sale.

And Turner.
And Paxton.
And Duvall.

 

[mikeford]

Don't be a chicken - put your mouth where your mouth is and enter the yearly prediction contest: https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/lets-predict-the-2024-red-sox-season.41886/

I already did and I just lowered a bunch of totals

 

[tims4wins]

That’s a pretty rosy outlook on what Giolito would have done.

Disagree, there are downstream effects here. It's not that he would have provided 6-7 extra wins himself. But if those 160-180 innings end up being fewer, less effective starter innings, it will tax the bullpen even further, and it will lead to a bunch of extra losses in August and September.