Yea, but Mac started that game. I feel like with Zappe starting they’ll have a bit more for Malik
Mac's Future
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A package for a guy usually means a handful of snaps, I'd be very surprised if he plays more than 10-12 snaps at QB barring injury. That he wasn't working at QB until this week tells you all you need to know about whether they see him as a real QB going forward.
This season is bonkers. The three guys who might actually play some QB are guys who have all been cut BY THE PATRIOTS themselves this season, and the one guy they haven't cut is the guy who was their erstwhile starter who now isn't likely to play at all.
It's absolute crazy town. What a wild ride.
It's absolute crazy town. What a wild ride.
Jones is a product of a post millennial system that catered to him for everything and allowed him to overachieve. It created conditions for him to beat weaker competition throughout most of his career until he got to the NFL. He had some success on the backs of others, but he is not good enough to do what needs doing at this level when other things aren't copacetic.
I think Bill the Coach realized this belatedly and tried to move on from him but has been stuck for a whole series of reasons. Pressure from ownership, expectations, and lack of options for which Bill the GM is at fault.
Beyond performance, for me the tells have been Jones' attitude and inability to take responsibility the vast majority of the time. I thought this was the case last year but Patricia was the scapegoat. Gave benefit of the doubt as I think many of us did. Now with BOB who has been proven, out of excuses and the rest of the locker room has had enough of him failing to lead, blaming others, and general piss poor attitude. I suspect Kraft realizes this too whether he admits it or not.
Jones might be an NFL quarterback but strikes me as a career backup at this point, or someone who could would be adequate for a team if everything else is going right. Not someone I want leading the team I support as you want a leader.
I think Bill the Coach realized this belatedly and tried to move on from him but has been stuck for a whole series of reasons. Pressure from ownership, expectations, and lack of options for which Bill the GM is at fault.
Beyond performance, for me the tells have been Jones' attitude and inability to take responsibility the vast majority of the time. I thought this was the case last year but Patricia was the scapegoat. Gave benefit of the doubt as I think many of us did. Now with BOB who has been proven, out of excuses and the rest of the locker room has had enough of him failing to lead, blaming others, and general piss poor attitude. I suspect Kraft realizes this too whether he admits it or not.
Jones might be an NFL quarterback but strikes me as a career backup at this point, or someone who could would be adequate for a team if everything else is going right. Not someone I want leading the team I support as you want a leader.
Nothing new about an Alabama star qb getting preferential treatment and I imagine he got hard coaching from Saban in any case.
Bill lost his fastball (maybe the descent started even before Brady left), Mac is soft, and they both look like children.
I don’t think we need to lump whole generations together.
edit – darn it, I just realized I should’ve said B12: They all suck
.Apologies, I’ve became broken record so I’ll stop posting here.
What's interesting is that around the draft there were questions asked of Bama guys that played with Mac and Tua and I remember most of them preferred Mac.
But, it's possible they were too close to it and just enjoying the fruits of the that team's performance.
It's interesting to me how little blame BoB appears to getting - coming into this season I feel like it was generally received wisdom that the Pats offense should be better this year than last, albeit against stronger opposition.
The O-line was supposed to be average-ish. Gesicki an improvement over Jonnu. JSS covering the loss of Meyers with a couple of possible wild card bonuses - from the draft and the he-can-hardly-be-less-useful Thornton having an extra year of experience/fitness. And of course we were all hoping that Mac could be more like year 1 Mac than year 2.
And the coaching was supposed to be a significant upgrade. All-in-all, it wasn't unreasonable to think something approaching league average on offense was possible - they were arguably better than that in 2021 after all.
So how come BoB isn't getting more stick here? Sure, he's "proven"...but he's not proven like Bill is proven, right? No-one is thinking he's an all-time great coach. He's just a guy who's had some success. If we're going to be firing coaches off the back of this season (and I am absolutely not a fan of firing coaches based on a small sample size of poor results), then special teams and offense coaches seem like easy fall guys here.
The O-line was supposed to be average-ish. Gesicki an improvement over Jonnu. JSS covering the loss of Meyers with a couple of possible wild card bonuses - from the draft and the he-can-hardly-be-less-useful Thornton having an extra year of experience/fitness. And of course we were all hoping that Mac could be more like year 1 Mac than year 2.
And the coaching was supposed to be a significant upgrade. All-in-all, it wasn't unreasonable to think something approaching league average on offense was possible - they were arguably better than that in 2021 after all.
So how come BoB isn't getting more stick here? Sure, he's "proven"...but he's not proven like Bill is proven, right? No-one is thinking he's an all-time great coach. He's just a guy who's had some success. If we're going to be firing coaches off the back of this season (and I am absolutely not a fan of firing coaches based on a small sample size of poor results), then special teams and offense coaches seem like easy fall guys here.
They were hyping up the guy who hadn't already gotten drafted #1.. The best player John Calipari ever coached was whichever one was looking to get drafted at that moment
I heard from one of the reporters they get on the Big Jab here in Maine that O'Brien's reputation has taken a pretty big hit this season and if he is let go at the end of the year it's more likely he ends up back as a college coach/coordinator than landing another coordinator gig right away in the NFL.
I've never been a BoB guy, but I can't blame him for not realizing that Gesicki is as bad at blocking as Jonnu, but not even as good as Jonnu in the passing game (Jonnu should had way more opportunity with the ball in his hands in 2022 than he did).
He didn't dump Jakobi for the corpse of JuJu. He can't make Parker a real #2, never mind a #1. He didn't stuff Bourne in the doghouse, but then he got hurt when he was playing well. Thornton would suck, unless Jerry Rice grabbed his pads and uniform and snuck on the field, and I mean Jerry Rice today, at 50 years old. He can't make Rham remember how to break tackles. He certainly doesn't get the blame for what Mac has become.
He didn't pick any of these guys, he inherited a pile of dung. Everything is boring because less than boring is what he was given to work with. BoBs sort of good reputation is being wrecked, kamikaze style this year, and he kind of doesn't deserve it.
Maybe the flip is the guy knew what he was walking into and thought it was plenty to work with. It hasn't turned out that way and we know a lot is the qb. It seems weird to remove agency from him when he chose to come here and knows his way around the NFL.
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O'Brien's not the final shot caller, obviously, but I don't know why you'd assume he didn't have any input on these moves. Gesicki in particular is a guy O'Brien had recruited out of high school.
I would also add: this offense, personnel-wise isn’t that different than the 2021 version. Were Damien Harris, Jakobi Meyers and Nelson Agholar that essential to this group?
I think the main difference is there was no book on Mac yet. Once defense started discovering neither he nor his receivers could challenge them even 15-20 yards downfield, the jig was up. The Pats didn’t/don’t have the counter to it.
Well logic was that began in Mac's first year near the end. They changed the offense in year two expecting him to take the leap and tried to push it down field more. Whether it was Mac or Patricia who knows, but that offense looked better last year than this year production wise. Then they brought in a better/real OC, changed stuff around to suit Mac, and he absolutely shit all over himself. The common denominator in all of this is Mac and in the words of the famous song it means "no future at all."
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The offensive line was better and less beat up in 2021. Your interior was Karras-Andrews-Mason which is a massive upgrade to what is being trotted out now.
Top 3 in targets were Meyers, Henry, Bourne. Not world beaters by any means but you don’t have a receiver that has ever replaced Meyers this season.
The issue is that after 2021, the roster construction stunk. 2/3 of the interior line was let go and investments into pass catchers was completely wrong. The best pass catchers for this year’s team, Bourne and Pop, are hurt and continue to get hurt.
Mac is flawed , no question, but the whole offensive group is flawed. Unfortunately, the amount of cap space next year doesn’t matter all that much with the amount of holes that have to be filled. For 2024, you have close to no talent at WR and TE, no starting tackles, your starting center a year older, and questions at guard. Your draft and FA signings have to be close to perfect and the D will need some investment as well.
I think it's part that the cast is worse, as @Dr. Gonzo outlines, and also that the 2021 offense was really not that good. In 18 games (including the playoff game), they scored 20 or fewer offensive points in half of them. You see Mac's season-end numbers and the team finishing sixth in total points and it's easy to forget how mediocre they were week-in and week-out. Mac had 10 touchdowns and 0 INT in the Jax / Cle / Ten / 2nd NYJ games (which also accounted for 40% of the team's scoring for the season); in the other 13 games, he threw 12 touchdowns and 13 interceptions.
The tackles were the big problem in pass protection this year. Brown and McDermott with Reiff and Anderson competing with McDermott and the guards seemed like a fine plan but injuries killed that. They have been better since McDermott returned and they started moving Onwenu to tackle.
I often wonder how big of a difference was made when BB chose not to carry a fullback on the roster starting last year. After years of James Develin, and a few seasons of Jakob Johnson, the offense just hasn't had as much success these past two seasons with pass protection and run blocking without a dedicated FB. I still think Develin was one of the top 5 MVPs of the 2018 SB-winning team and his injury in 2019 week 2 and subsequent retirement was a huge blow to the team's success.
We're talking about degrees here, but the incremental differences between the 2021 line/receiving corps and the 2023 line/receiving corps do not explain away how the offense went from being fine to completely impotent. Yes, the rest of the offense absolutely sucks, I don't think BoB makes the most of what meager ingredients he has, but there is nothing more damaging to this offense than the fact that there is no penalty for playing aggressive defense. There's nothing you need to fear, no big plays you need to worry about, no drawbacks to that strategy. Mac can't hit guys for big chunks with any sort of consistency, they don't scheme guys open, and they don't have electric players that make defenders miss tackles.
It's truly a team effort to suck this much, and I feel like we waste so much time arguing who's most to blame for this historically shitty offense, but I think it starts with Mac's limitations, which are accentuated by the shittastic receivers, and then the accelerant for all of it is the lack of imagination displayed by the coaching staff from week to week.
On this front, Mac's first year there was a lot of discussion of just missed deep shots (or not taken at all when open) to Agholor. He was getting open deep a lot and it effected defenses. Year two those were gone despite trying to get more using Thornton. Teams just single covered and dared Mac to hang in the pocket and make deep throws. And he wouldn't take the shots, then it just got worse and worse as teams assumed Mac wouldn't beat them downfield and bet they could either get pressure or make Mac bail on okay pockets. And they were right, and his confidence shattered
Regarding BoB and the coaches: the reality is that the players on the roster have to produce something, or even the best Shanahan coaching is not going to make the slightest difference. Early in the season, it seemed as if the play calls were built with the a shaky/injured OL in mind. The early pick-6 against a really good Eagles team hurt in Week 1, and the OL was utter garbage in Week 2 against Miami. Then Mac never recovered from the back-to-back blowouts.
I do think BoB and Bill deserve some criticism for their overly conservative play calling late in the 4th quarter against the Giants. They had nothing to lose by being aggressive at that point. But, in general, if I look at the problems with this season's team, coaching is not near the top.
I do think BoB and Bill deserve some criticism for their overly conservative play calling late in the 4th quarter against the Giants. They had nothing to lose by being aggressive at that point. But, in general, if I look at the problems with this season's team, coaching is not near the top.
Deep dive on the fall of Mac
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39043021/new-england-patriots-mac-jones-quarterback-man-muddled-moment
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39043021/new-england-patriots-mac-jones-quarterback-man-muddled-moment
Fascinating. Some behind the scenes details but also a better written version of what has been said different ways in this thread, on talk radio, and elsewhere. Sorry for posting 4 full grafs, but I think it boils down the crux of the unknowable arguments:
The last line hits home for me. And I think previously in this space Ive taken it a small step further - I think it's both. Mac's ceiling wasnt all that lofty, and I believe there's shared culpability between himself and the organization as to why he not only didnt reach that ceiling, but fell to the floor.
This is generally where I’m at. If Josh doesn’t leave, and I’m not his biggest fan, I think we end up begrudging taking the option year and going 10-7 and losing in the first round for a couple years. Mac’s destroyed right now but that’s partially on him and he’s not free of blame. Is he mentally weak? Maybe. Well likely never know. He still can’t step into a pass which is the real issue.
If Josh doesn't leave, perhaps we're running a more traditional, power running offense that's better suited to our personnel, particularly our OL and RBs. I'm not smart enough to know for sure, but to me nothing good has happened with this offense since we lost the FB.
100%.
If he has offensive continuity and more weapons he would undoubtedly be better...but would he be anything better than mediocre? I think what he's done recently shows that the ceiling was just never very high to begin with.
Something that wasn't touched on in that article enough is how he responds to adversity on the field. It seems as if the answer is he folds like a cheap suit
Agreed on the likelihood of mediocrity being the ceiling. Still, back in the halcyon days of 2021, when the team went 10-7 and made the playoffs with Mac at QB, it did feel like his future was bright and he would be a solid QB for years to come. How far he's fallen is at times difficult for me to believe.
As far as adversity on the field, you're absolutely correct that Mac looks just awful when anything goes wrong and has seemed to regress for most of this season. But then I think back to Week 1, when the Pats were down 25-14 against a talented Eagles defense with 5:33 left in the game and (as always with Mac, it seemed for a while) led them close-but-not-quite to a comeback. He drove them down to score a TD, then looked terrible after that bizarre fumble, and then ran a 2 minute drill that got them to the Eagles 19. What happened to that guy?
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This was a great article and a sad read.
As the article states, and quotes from scouts, nobody is confusing Mac with upper echelon natural talent. Mac isn't going to overcome mediocre line play and subpar weapons. The article then has this:
Belichick/Groh, knowing what type of QB they had as a starter, made player personnel decision after decision that was wrong on the offensive side of the ball. The best offensive acquisition, draft or FA, of the last two offseasons may have been Zeke or Trent Brown. Mike Giaradi made the point this morning that the fall of Mac, here in New England and maybe his career, began when Patricia and Judge tried to install elements of the Shannahan offense. Hoyer and Bourne, who actually played in that offense in San Fran, were screaming at both of them during camp that they didn't know what they were doing and the offense was a disaster starting then with Mac running for his life in practice.
While McDaniels and other offensive coaches leaving didn't help, Bill having Patricia and Judge running the offense and coaching Jones is really the grounds to move on from Bill. Just monumentally stupid, arrogant, or a combination of both. If you have even a Chad O'Shea in the OC role or another retread from here, at least that would've been defensible. That was mismanagement at the highest level.
As Devin said below from the article, Mac is done here. For me, that is squarely on Bill. He really could not have handled the situation worse from a coaching or personnel standpoint.
While there’s some truth to the idea that BB failed Jones, the OL thing is wildly overblown. They went into the summer with 3 guys who could have reasonably been expected to be above average or better (Brown, Andrews, Onwenu) all three of whom are capable of high level play. Strange projected as at least serviceable with upside to be a bit better. Right tackle was a question but there were enough warm bodies and talent in the other spots to think they could find and survive with a below average but not abjectly terrible RT. They’ve done it before and most teams have and can survive at least one hole on their line. They drafted some backups with potential.
And then over the summer it all fell apart. Brown has struggled with injuries, Strange got hurt early in camp, Onwenu took awhile to get healthy, Anderson’s illness and Reiff got hurt (both stink but probably better than Lowe)
Should Bill have gotten more premium talent at pass catcher? Yes clearly. Should he have known JuJu’s knee was shot? Probably. Was Patricia a bad hire at OC? Yes, but who other than the generic “anyone else” would have been a definitely better option for Mac’s development? There was no one internal and the external options were limited.
i think it’s reasonable to blame BB for some of Mac’s failures but there’s also some bad luck (injuries to the OL, McDaniels leaving) and Mac’s own inability to learn from his mistakes and his own physical limitations.
there aren’t many perfect situations in the NFL for a young QB. Most teams with a 1st round QB don’t have great coaches, great OL and an arsenal of good or great weapons. It can takes years, and years of sucking, to get there and that’s with good injury luck and hitting on all your acquisitions
And then over the summer it all fell apart. Brown has struggled with injuries, Strange got hurt early in camp, Onwenu took awhile to get healthy, Anderson’s illness and Reiff got hurt (both stink but probably better than Lowe)
Should Bill have gotten more premium talent at pass catcher? Yes clearly. Should he have known JuJu’s knee was shot? Probably. Was Patricia a bad hire at OC? Yes, but who other than the generic “anyone else” would have been a definitely better option for Mac’s development? There was no one internal and the external options were limited.
i think it’s reasonable to blame BB for some of Mac’s failures but there’s also some bad luck (injuries to the OL, McDaniels leaving) and Mac’s own inability to learn from his mistakes and his own physical limitations.
there aren’t many perfect situations in the NFL for a young QB. Most teams with a 1st round QB don’t have great coaches, great OL and an arsenal of good or great weapons. It can takes years, and years of sucking, to get there and that’s with good injury luck and hitting on all your acquisitions
I bet if Juju was back in KC he and their offense would look much better. The dude gets open a lot on Juju type of routes but our scheme or QB (I think QB/QBs) just dont get him the ball in ways where he makes a difference.
He'd get "open" in KC because he would have one of the greatest pass catching tight ends in football dragging defenders away from him, a unicorn HOFer at QB who can extend plays and make throws from anywhere, an offensive line that gives that QB time to throw, and a running back that has to be respected because he'll gash a defense for 20 in a blink.
The numbers don't lie here, the receivers are last in separation, 2nd to last in getting wide open, and they have an offensive line that's dead last in pass blocking.
You know who else would look better than JuJu and make the offense look better in KC or New England?
Jakobi, and about 75 other receivers.
I doubt KC would move Rashee Rice right now for JuJu, even if their contracts were identical.
I wish I could find it, but I was reading something recently and they were talking about how Mac at that point (it was a few weeks ago) had positive EPA on a number or middle of the field route types and was terrible at all out-breaking routes and outside vertical routes. It then noted that the number of throws MoF were lower than you'd expect, but that one reason is team's just flooded the short middle against us, so there was no room for WRs/TEs to operate.
I think Juju is the most hurt by this, for KC he did a lot of his best work finding soft spots in the middle, adjusting when Mahomes scrambled, etc, then using that space to get YAC rather than face-up beating guys for YAC. Here there is no space in the middle, and nobody respects any attempt at faking a deeper out pattern. Everyone is playing with (and coaching with) a hand tied behind their back because defenses just don't respect the idea that the QB will/can throw half the route tree.
Matt Chatham has been poking holes in the separation stat all year and beyond. There seems to be some other adherents I do not claim the expertise to do so, but it also seems somewhat tied to the QB
Yep
I mean, to me, it’s a no-brainer. Everybody in the organization raved about the guy’s work ethic. How he’s there early, he’s there late. So, to me, it’s hard to just say, like, it’s his fault. …
I don’t think, no matter how you feel about him, I don’t think you’d walk away from the situation and say, ‘Hey, you know, this situation that they built around him was really good, and he just didn’t get the job done.’ Like, to me, there’s no way, if you’re gonna be factual, you’ve got to look, there’s just no way.
All have been kind of moving parts. It seemed like he kind of built a connection with Jakobi Meyers, then Jakobi’s gone. So, like, it would be hard for me to just say, ‘Hey, like it’s all him. Like, Kendrick Bourne, (Jones’) rookie year, goes out there has a career year. Then the next year, Kendrick Bourne doesn’t really play at all. …
And again, I have no problem with the guys that watch and say, ‘Hey, I evaluated this quarterback, his arm strength, his mobility.’ Like, if you want to come up with all of those metrics that you think makes a quarterback good, and you think he doesn’t hit those certain criteria that you like in a quarterback, I get that.
But I think overall, if you say, ‘Hey, which side do you see more at fault?’ To me, it’s no doubt the organization, what’s been put around him, for these straight three years.
I don’t think, no matter how you feel about him, I don’t think you’d walk away from the situation and say, ‘Hey, you know, this situation that they built around him was really good, and he just didn’t get the job done.’ Like, to me, there’s no way, if you’re gonna be factual, you’ve got to look, there’s just no way.
All have been kind of moving parts. It seemed like he kind of built a connection with Jakobi Meyers, then Jakobi’s gone. So, like, it would be hard for me to just say, ‘Hey, like it’s all him. Like, Kendrick Bourne, (Jones’) rookie year, goes out there has a career year. Then the next year, Kendrick Bourne doesn’t really play at all. …
And again, I have no problem with the guys that watch and say, ‘Hey, I evaluated this quarterback, his arm strength, his mobility.’ Like, if you want to come up with all of those metrics that you think makes a quarterback good, and you think he doesn’t hit those certain criteria that you like in a quarterback, I get that.
But I think overall, if you say, ‘Hey, which side do you see more at fault?’ To me, it’s no doubt the organization, what’s been put around him, for these straight three years.
I think Devin has some points but I also think he makes a mistake that is way too common... Working hard means nothing if it doesn't create results, I bet a whole lot of practice squad WRs got the "hard worker" tag.. I'd rather have Randy Moss despite his rep for not being the hardest worker.
The situation isn't great but Mac's failings go far beyond support (as shown by the fringe NFL guy Zappe often outplay ingredient him)
The situation isn't great but Mac's failings go far beyond support (as shown by the fringe NFL guy Zappe often outplay ingredient him)
I’d hate to see what he would look like without all the hard work. I don’t understand how he can watch film of a game he’s playing and not realize how lazy his mechanics are and throwing flat footed or going backwards isn’t going to work. Wasn’t he rumored at one point to be working with Tom House?
You make a good point, but come to the wrong conclusion.
Of course he knows it. And that's why he's broken.
He knows his form is shit - although he has occasionally shown a penchant to throw off his back foot dating back into college. But in the moment when things are going fast and it's super stressful, he short circuits. You can visually SEE him panicking on alot of these plays. The good QBs rarely look panicked. Its controlled chaos as they climb the pocket, roll out, keep their eyes down field, duck a swiping linemans arm...it looks hectic, but most of the time (not all), you can see them processing in the moment.
Not Mac. Close your eyes and think about what Mac looks like when the pocket starts to collapse on a sack. We've all seen it so often. He starts to slouch/hunch forward, no longer "standing tall in the pocket" as if hes bracing himself for an incoming hit. He immediately pulls the ball down and abandons his footwork. He seemingly losses control of his body, his legs chopping in one direction to escape, his head darting in other directions. Despite all the body motion, he barely moves from the spot, eventually cratering under the weight of a defender.
There is no control. He isnt processing. He's a panicked mouse looking for an escape from the cats paws. He KNOWS he's supposed to keep his eyes downfield. He KNOWS he's supposed to step into his throws. He KNOWS he needs to navigate the pocket. He's not an idiot, he's been doing this his whole life.
In the moment, he just can't. He's broken.
I think the thing that separates top pro players from everyone else is the ability to consistently do what they practice in a game.
QB more than anything is about that. Brady became the best ever because he constantly tweaked and perfected but he could do that Because he was incredible at making a change and then repeating the new motion 95% of the time in game, regardless of situation. Mac can't do that. He gets in a game and he gets sped up.. Doesn't trust the reads, doesn't feel pressure so he assumes it's there, he doesn't execute the footwork he probably nailed in practice etc.
It's like NBA guys who can nail 100 FTs in a row and hit 35/50 from 3 at practice... Get them in a game and they shoot 60% on FTs and 20% from 3
Reiss: Listening to players and coaches, perhaps the most important thing the QB switch has brought to the offense is a low-pulse approach. Zappe's demeanor was noted by O'Brien, who said, "Zap plays the game calmly."
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39075291/beyond-rb-stats-ezekiel-elliott-tackle-impresses-patriots-mac-jones-bailey-zappe-bill-belichick
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39075291/beyond-rb-stats-ezekiel-elliott-tackle-impresses-patriots-mac-jones-bailey-zappe-bill-belichick
Fuck Mac Jones
Singlehandedly ruined this season. This is a playoff team with competent QB play. He made everyone around him worse. All of a sudden the WRs are making plays for a different QB.
Zappe isn't even an average QB and they look infinitely better.
Singlehandedly ruined this season. This is a playoff team with competent QB play. He made everyone around him worse. All of a sudden the WRs are making plays for a different QB.
Zappe isn't even an average QB and they look infinitely better.
Douglas is also, obviously, a rookie. It’s very possible he’s playing better now than in the first half of the season. Take him away, and the WRs look a lot worse. Not that I’m a Mac defender, I think he’s awful, just saying…
It was pretty incredible to see Parker make that incredible contested catch down the left sideline when early in the season in a big spot Mac throw an absolutely perfect deep ball to him in a tight window down the left sideline and Parker let it go right through his hands.
Henry, Stephenson, and Bourne were all players Mac could lean on earlier this season that were out yesterday for Zappe.
And all he did was thread several passes several times to the corpses of Mike Gesicki and DeVante Parker.
IN Denver. A historically tough place to play.
No more absurd excuses for Mac. The book’s closed. He was an awful draft pick and he’s not an NFL starting quarterback. The only question remaining is whether he’s a serviceable backup NFL quarterback.
He was the absolute worst draft pick in Pats history and the biggest bust in NFL history.