Yikes. Then I still rather watch Cunningham.Watch the giants and Devito, imagine that’s what Grier would look like.
Yikes. Then I still rather watch Cunningham.Watch the giants and Devito, imagine that’s what Grier would look like.
To add to the chorus here, I think this is completely wrong. Mac’s made these comments literally his entire career, the Hail Mary had nothing to do with itThat Hail Mary answer would have gotten some generic non-response if he wasn’t benched and thought he had some chance at turning this ship around.
He knows it’s OVA.
Gotcha. I’m no capologist so I have no clue what the impact is for cutting him now vs. the off-season vs. trading him. I thought someone here said the cap hit would be larger if they cut him now. Perhaps I misunderstoodJust to be clear, the only way the Pats are "sacrificing money" in this scenario is if they miss out on a chance to trade him in the offseason. If they can convince a team to give a late round pick swap for Mac or something, the Pats will save 2.8 million next year. If they cut him in the offseason, it's effectively the same thing as just cutting him now as his salary next year is guaranteed. You only miss out on the pleasure of having Mac on your team. Honestly, I'd probably still try to fake injury designate him and try to offload him to some team to save the money, though it's no guarantee anyone will take him.
Regarding someone playing QB for the Pats this year, I really don't think it can be Mac at this point. They have 3 other QBs on the roster, Mac should effectively be considered completely finished. He's 100% not part of the future for this team anymore. Even if you're using the rest of the year to see if anyone else on the roster can be a backup for 2024, that's the better option imo.
Yep, and that still annoys me. To be charitable, perhaps Bill thought an off-season of work would help Zappe become a viable backup. But it sure seems that the moment camp opened in July he knew that wasn’t happening.It’s too bad the team never bothered to get the veteran backup QB that they supposedly prioritized in the off-season.
Looking more like 4-13 at this point.While I generally agree that they'll end up with 5-6 wins and not in the top 5 of the draft, they did just lose at home to a pretty bad team who had traded away two of its best defensive players. Finger pointing, sulking, and quitting on the season doesn't generally happen in NE, but who knows where this season is headed. Here's the remaining schedule:
vs IND in Germany (Indy is better but overseas games are weird; this could be a barometer whether the Pats have quit)
Bye
@ NYG (they're horrible but it's a road game, who knows)
vs. LAC (they're better than the Pats, probably much better, but they're chokers and traveling across the country)
@ PIT (somewhat similar team as we've discussed in some threads, road game in a tough environment against a team in a playoff fight, feels like an L)
vs KC (ha)
@ DEN (house of horrors but they're not good, coin flip type game)
@ BUF (ha)
vs NYJ (big unknown if Rodgers is back / if the Jets are in contention for a playoff spot)
I'd probably bet on them to go 3-5 and finish 5-12. I doubt they win fewer than 4, or more than 6.
That lone red dot is hysterical!Imagine drawing up a game plan to minimize Macs weaknesses and this is what you are left with.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-xMZYjWQAEUuDc?format=jpg&name=small
https://x.com/michaelFhurley/status/1723836760151478599?s=20
The longest pass he threw all day?That lone red dot is hysterical!
Can’t throw right at allImagine drawing up a game plan to minimize Macs weaknesses and this is what you are left with.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-xMZYjWQAEUuDc?format=jpg&name=small
https://x.com/michaelFhurley/status/1723836760151478599?s=20
Must be. Which is batshit since I feel like he chucks up at least 3 or 4 bombs every week that have no chance of being caught (either because of his throw or our receivers who have oven mits for hands).The longest pass he threw all day?
I agree, I don’t see 3 more wins.Looking more like 4-13 at this point.
Yeah, some of the local writers love him because he will ALWAYS give a quote shading everyone around him if given the right prompt, and it's not because he's dumb. It's all part of the same problem which is he's a whiny entitled baby who takes no responsibility for anything.To add to the chorus here, I think this is completely wrong. Mac’s made these comments literally his entire career, the Hail Mary had nothing to do with it
I kinda doubt it. He stinks. He’s not even young, what’s to be gained?Do you think they will give Grier a shot against the Giants?
LOL that’s so damning.This is the pic. I just can’t believe an NFL QB misses a guy by 5 yards with this much room to operate.
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Give him a shot to see if he can justify keeping him around as the backup next year?I kinda doubt it. He stinks. He’s not even young, what’s to be gained?
Not even sure his arm could accomplish that.I mean he has to be throwing the games right?
QB depth chart for remaining games should be Grier / Cunningham in some order.Do you think they will give Grier a shot against the Giants?
Once I heard his constant passive-aggressive answers in the press conferences I lost all ability to feel anything but disgust for him.I am truly at the point where I feel bad for Mac. And I’ve been one of his biggest doubters for the last two years. It’s just gotten so bad that if he is a halfway decent person off the football field there’s a part of you that hates to see someone that seems otherwise decent as a human have to endure this.
He may be a total asshole, who knows. But nothing seems to indicate that, outside of some brattish behavior here and there. But nothing so bad that I look at the kid and take any joy in seeing his career completely go up in flames like this.
For whatever reason I hope he at least gets a Colt McCoy-like career out of this. Not what he probably envisioned, but an NFL career regardless.
Yeah, I don’t really feel bad for him. He’s a professional who’s getting paid a lot of money. He’s been given many shots and hasn’t done anything with them. In the end, Mac Jones will be just fine in life. Hopefully, he makes better decisions with his money than he does on the field.Once I heard his constant passive-aggressive answers in the press conferences I lost all ability to feel anything but disgust for him.
He’s a shitty player and teammate who acts like he’s being let down by everyone around him.
I take no joy in any of this because it’s horrible to see him burn my football franchise to the ground.
More on the playing side than the attitude side, but…Yeah, I don’t really feel bad for him. He’s a professional who’s getting paid a lot of money. He’s been given many shots and hasn’t done anything with them. In the end, Mac Jones will be just fine in life. Hopefully, he makes better decisions with his money than he does on the field.
I’m really just surprised at how quickly this unraveled. He did/said all of the right things after getting drafted. He had a solid rookie campaign and then…disaster.
His struggles have overshadowed the fact that he’s also made some really shitty dirty plays on the field as well as all of the petulant stuff we’ve seen. I won’t root against him if/when he leaves Foxboro but I’ll be rooting for him to depart from now until he does. Nothing personal. Just get away from my favorite team.
He stinks, but this throw makes me think he has to be concealing some shoulder/rib injury or something.This is the pic. I just can’t believe an NFL QB misses a guy by 5 yards with this much room to operate.
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Well he overthrew Henry in the end zone by five yards a few series earlier, so Mac might just be that awful.He stinks, but this throw makes me think he has to be concealing some shoulder/rib injury or something.
He needs to throw this ball around 30 yards or so, and he throws it 20.
He's been awful this season, but no QB in the league is that awful.
View: https://youtu.be/3pkQat7CcA4?feature=sharedI remember him doing the griddy dance or whatever after being allowed to score in the pro bowl and thinking “man, that guy is living his best life. Rookie in the pro bowl, he must see the world like one big bra strap waiting to get snapped.”
Didn’t anticipate that that was the peak and it would all go rapidly and violently downhill from there.
edit: I don’t celebrate his downfall. I just want him off my preferred team.
A ball sailing on a QB makes sense to me, a ball coming up 10 yards short on a 30 yard throw doesn't.Well he overthrew Henry in the end zone by five yards a few series earlier, so Mac might just be that awful.
I think they cannot cut him right now without making a move. His contract is guaranteed, and they would have to accelerate the signing bonus. Plus, whichever player replaces him has to get paid. They only have $2m in space right now.Gotcha. I’m no capologist so I have no clue what the impact is for cutting him now vs. the off-season vs. trading him. I thought someone here said the cap hit would be larger if they cut him now. Perhaps I misunderstood
There was a rusher coming through the hole, Mac saw this and didn’t step into his throw which led the ball to sail and come up short….He stinks, but this throw makes me think he has to be concealing some shoulder/rib injury or something.
He needs to throw this ball around 30 yards or so, and he throws it 20.
He's been awful this season, but no QB in the league is that awful.
Yeah he's a really shitty putter! But I take the point. It stood out. Maybe he is injured. But he didn't seem to be showing anything like that the rest of the game. And BB didn't mention anything, which would have taken some heat off.A ball sailing on a QB makes sense to me, a ball coming up 10 yards short on a 30 yard throw doesn't.
Like if a golfer hits a 30 foot putt 5 feet past the hole, OK, if they left it 10 feet short, uh what the hell just happened?
Golfer could top the ball with his putter and leave it way short, or he could have a case of the yips. Maybe Mac gets the yips. Still, his panicking and going down when one or two NFL rushers get even just close to him is as bad a fault as his panicky passes.A ball sailing on a QB makes sense to me, a ball coming up 10 yards short on a 30 yard throw doesn't.
Like if a golfer hits a 30 foot putt 5 feet past the hole, OK, if they left it 10 feet short, uh what the hell just happened?
To be fair, it was the Pro Bowl, the most boring "sporting" event ever concocted. And it may have been the most memorable Pro Bowl "highlight" in history, which isn't saying much.So he ran 40 yards after the whistle just to do that? What a d-bag.
Is the thought here that Mac is more afraid to get hit now, post-injury? Hence the happy feet which lead to his myriad of issues brought on by poor fundamentals?Since his ankle injury last year, Mac is 7-14 as a starter with 22 TD, 16 INT, 50 sacks, and a AY/A of 5.92.
Prior to the injury his AY/A was 6.89, he had a ratio of 24/18 and his W-L record was 11-9.
I'm leaning that way for sure, but there's no real way to know. His happy feet and the insistence on leaning backwards on every throw would indicate some deep seated problem or fear of getting hit, but that's a lot of psychology to delve into.Is the thought here that Mac is more afraid to get hit now, post-injury? Hence the happy feet which lead to his myriad of issues brought on by poor fundamentals?
Right. Mac may be more disappointing than Hodson, say, but he's a far, far better NFL QB.
Decided to quote these in the Mac thread instead of the BB thread, as the topic seemed more relevant here.Tom Hodson's passer rating+ by year: 89, 60, 90.
Mac Jones' passer rating+ by year: 101, 91, 86.
Much closer when adjusted to the passing environment.
Man, this is actually kind of an interesting point.I'm leaning that way for sure, but there's no real way to know. His happy feet and the insistence on leaning backwards on every throw would indicate some deep seated problem or fear of getting hit, but that's a lot of psychology to delve into.
His fundamentals were never good though. That was an issue at Alabama too. He simply doesn't have the base to be an effective NFL QB.
Of course he would. But Eason has at least 2 seasons that have been better than anything Mac has ever done.If Tony Eason was the current Pats' QB, holy god he would be getting absolutely shredded on this board.
I watch those videos and I still see almost every throw off his back footMan, this is actually kind of an interesting point.
Look at these two highlight videos from maybe his best two games as a rookie:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK11WZskp8k&ab_channel=NFL
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5UMAw2YPp0&ab_channel=NFL
Even when the pocket is collapsing, he steps into his throws (or at least, doesn't bail out and throw off his back foot).
His reaction to that injury was...weird. He reacted like it was his first time ever being hurt. That ankle injury could have psychologically damaged him/his reaction to potential injury.
That’s my thinking. Someone posted a video awhile back of Mac screaming going into a tunnel after an injury. I don’t want to get into some old fashioned toxic masculinity toughness test, but I can’t recall hardly any other examples of an athlete in a contact sport having that kind of reaction to pain. Perhaps him having a lower pain tolerance explains while he seems to break down under pressure while other QBs stand tall till the last second.Is the thought here that Mac is more afraid to get hit now, post-injury? Hence the happy feet which lead to his myriad of issues brought on by poor fundamentals?