Manchester United 2014-2015: Van Gaal's Insane Speech at the end of the awards
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It could always be worse....
Might turn up at United tomorrow for trials
— Emmanuel Y Frimpong. (@IAMFRIMPONG26) August 26, 2014
Might turn up at United tomorrow for trials
— Emmanuel Y Frimpong. (@IAMFRIMPONG26) August 26, 2014
I just read that United will only play 10 matches from the beginning of September to the end of November (in comparison, those English teams in Europe and the League Cup will play 17 in that time period). According to wikipedia, they have no less than 37 first team players, at least 27 of which are real senior players not just youth players who've worn the shirt once or twice.
I'm shocked that they haven't sold anybody. I know some of these guys are on high wages so moving them is difficult, but the situation is kind of absurd.
I'm shocked that they haven't sold anybody. I know some of these guys are on high wages so moving them is difficult, but the situation is kind of absurd.
Rooney named England captain
I think he'll be fine in the role, personally. The fact that he's the first name on the team sheet is more important than any off-field leadership abilities he may have/lack.
Can't go worse than Terry, at least.
I think he'll be fine in the role, personally. The fact that he's the first name on the team sheet is more important than any off-field leadership abilities he may have/lack.
Can't go worse than Terry, at least.
Back to Dortmund.DLew On Roids said:
.@S_Kagawa0317 returns to Borussia Dortmund! Read all about it here: http://t.co/vyVNWIAEFf pic.twitter.com/WGoOTAEq6F
— Borussia Dortmund (@BVB) August 31, 2014
No regrets about Kagawa. He was a disappointment here. Sure, he never got a long run of games in the side but a hat trick against Norwich aside, he never showed the quality that he was supposed to be gifted with.
Also happy Chicharito is leaving if it means Welbeck stays.
Also happy Chicharito is leaving if it means Welbeck stays.
Well dlew, it took you a few years but you've finally got me.
So I thought he was good two seasons ago... sue me.
So I thought he was good two seasons ago... sue me.
It wasn't that you thought he was good, it's that you fall victim to what we see a lot in this forum: Everything that happens is the right thing for my club. I texted URI last week saying that if this forum were the main board, everyone would be predicting 104 wins for the Sox every season. (The obvious exception being the Newcastle thread.) In your case, Kagawa was good until he was sold, and then he wasn't. That's why I didn't quote you when he arrived, but after his first season.
Don't believe me? Go into any team thread and look at the "analysis" of most transfers this summer. It pretty much goes like this: "I love this player [who I may not have heard of until 15 minutes ago]! He's going to do X and Y and Z and that's exactly what we [it's always we] need! He's absolutely worth the money, and anyone questioning it is a [ troll | hater ]. Now if we can just add another DM who can play the pivot, we'll be at least 10 points better than last season!"
Don't believe me? Go into any team thread and look at the "analysis" of most transfers this summer. It pretty much goes like this: "I love this player [who I may not have heard of until 15 minutes ago]! He's going to do X and Y and Z and that's exactly what we [it's always we] need! He's absolutely worth the money, and anyone questioning it is a [ troll | hater ]. Now if we can just add another DM who can play the pivot, we'll be at least 10 points better than last season!"
If you're including me in the liking a player after not hearing if him until 15 minutes beforehand, I think you're mistake. And while I may have things kagawa was good after his first season (saying he never showed quality was an exaggeration, sure) I certainly bashed him enough in last year's thread.
Besides, don't ruin the image I have of you checking this forum every morning in nothing but a robe and slippers.
Besides, don't ruin the image I have of you checking this forum every morning in nothing but a robe and slippers.
Also, if you would have told me we'd essentially be swapping out nani and chicharito for Falcao and angel di maria I would have been ecstatic... But for some reason I'm still worried. I'm sure Blind will be a nice squad addition but I can't help but be disappointed if Vidal was truly available and we couldn't close... Unless Strootman is coming along in January.
soxfan121 said:
Zomp said:
What, precisely, am I wrong about? That he has talent? That he's going to go back to Dortmund and (most likely) perform well - again? That the club overreacted to some settlement issues? That the club buried him on the bench? That the club then bought Mata and ended any chance he'd have had to perform?
Sorry, I think that's a shit post. I expect better of you. If I want reflexive "the club is right, the player must be bashed" I'll go to the Chelsea thread and read the press releases or I'll have a chat with Larry Lucchino.
There is a big difference between not liking what's being discussed in the Chelsea thread and the constant mentioning of me in completely unrelated threads and topics, get over it. You choose to read the Chelsea thread.soxfan121 said:
Maybe pick a club and stop the endless trolling of every other thread, it seems like the cowards way to shit on everyone's clubs and opinions with no real repercussions
Bad news for you Snake is that his club IS Chelsea so if he followed your advice you two would just keep this up forever.
Not bothered by any of it really, except the references to myself in completely unrelated topics and discussions, seems very childish.teddykgb said:
teddykgb said:
Shut up, you. I did find myself rooting more for Chelsea than Everton during that epic but I was rooting like hell for Burnley and Leicester the previous two weeks, so I'm sticking with my equal opportunity, trolling, repercussion free neutral status.
At least Switzerland gets to charge interest on deposits while being accused of cowardice.
Back to the shitshow that is ManU.
soxfan121 said:
He has talent, which he showed at Dortmund. Obviously I'm willing to concede that posting "never showing" the quality was an exaggeration. But he never improved while here and was given chances, quite a few under Moyes. Mata is the better player, Rooney is a better player, so for him to make his way into the squad he needed to perform when asked, and he didn't last season. LVG must feel the same way, no?
What Dlew is describing happens in the forum, sure...but you're seriously mistaken if you think I post as if United is infallible. They make mistakes like any other club. They were crazy not to extend Tevez when they had the chance, and I think Berbatov had a role in the team and think Nani was given too long of a leash.
The other issue in this forum is the constant trolling by someone who goes out of his way to post that he doesn't support anybody. I never, ever, mind when Dlew, SFIC, Mikeford (okay maybe a little) or anyone else comes in and takes a shit on United because I can give it back.
Zomp said:
Fair enough on Kagawa.
And I don't think you ever post that way...which is why I questioned it up thread. I phrased it incorrectly before - I always expect to learn something from your posts. And since I knew you had written about Kagawa's first year somewhat positively (as Dlew dug up), I was confused.
Do I need to declare an allegiance so you can "give it back"? I'm not going to be bothered by shots at a club I have no emotional investment in. But I am a Mario Balotelli fan and I am a relative newcomer to the sport who occasionally displays a stunning lack of knowledge or understanding of the game. Shit away.
All snark aside, I do think people get bothered because you come in and shit on every team with no allegiance. Sometimes its like, well whats the point? You hate everyone? I'm not saying pick a club, far from it, I actually like how you haven't picked one yet...but trolling the Chelsea thread or the Arsenal thread gets annoying sometimes because what can we give back? That you're too tall?
Also, possible rumors that RVP may need a knee op that would put him out for the season. If true the Falcao deal makes sense but I guess that means we continue with the 3-5-2 when I'd really like to see the diamond in midfield. Loaning Chicharito and Welbeck is fine but if RVP is truly out then I guess Januzaj will back up Rooney and Falcao, or we'd go 4-3-3 if something happened to one of them.
That I don't know what I'm talking about? Isn't content more important that scoring internet points?
I think I try to look at every team critically (well, not minnows - it is no fun to point out Norwich's shortcomings). And given the insane optimism of some fanatics in this forum (re: what DLew said up thread), a dose of "calm the fuck down" often seems appropriate.
But more than that, I'm rarely trying to troll anyone. (OK, URI...but that's all). Is wondering about Di Maria's tactical fit trolling? I admit, making fun of his ears was trolling but am I not allowed to participate in banter about Wayne Rooney's hairplugs because I'm not a Liverpool fan? Is debating ManU's use (or misuse) of Kagawa trolling because I have no allegiance you can shit on in return?
Is asking about Courtois performance - and that godawful throw that led to Mirallas' chance hitting the post - trolling?
Seriously...if you look at my posts in this thread before today or in the Chelsea thread after Saturday's match or the Everton thread in general as trolling, I'm stunned.
Like I said, I respect your opinion and if you truly think I add nothing, I'll stick to posting in game threads only from here on out.
I think I try to look at every team critically (well, not minnows - it is no fun to point out Norwich's shortcomings). And given the insane optimism of some fanatics in this forum (re: what DLew said up thread), a dose of "calm the fuck down" often seems appropriate.
But more than that, I'm rarely trying to troll anyone. (OK, URI...but that's all). Is wondering about Di Maria's tactical fit trolling? I admit, making fun of his ears was trolling but am I not allowed to participate in banter about Wayne Rooney's hairplugs because I'm not a Liverpool fan? Is debating ManU's use (or misuse) of Kagawa trolling because I have no allegiance you can shit on in return?
Is asking about Courtois performance - and that godawful throw that led to Mirallas' chance hitting the post - trolling?
Seriously...if you look at my posts in this thread before today or in the Chelsea thread after Saturday's match or the Everton thread in general as trolling, I'm stunned.
Like I said, I respect your opinion and if you truly think I add nothing, I'll stick to posting in game threads only from here on out.
Calling a decent article that a Chelsea fan posts about Lukaku a piece of shit article then not saying why, yes, is trolling in my book as is this http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/83389-arsenal-2014-2015-ugh-your-banter-stinks/?p=5522084. All I'm saying is its not as fun when we can't needle you back.
and don't be the semi attractive girl who calls herself ugly to get attention from guys. You know you're a good poster when you want to be (you were great in the World Cup forum because, well, I guess you rooted for America).
and don't be the semi attractive girl who calls herself ugly to get attention from guys. You know you're a good poster when you want to be (you were great in the World Cup forum because, well, I guess you rooted for America).
The Howler's podcast, Dummy, had a segment a few weeks ago with someone who made an interesting case against Americans developing EPL allegiances, even if they love the style of play. It's too late for me on that score, but it gave me a better appreciation of 121's position. It's worth a listen (as are most episodes--David Goldblatt is one of the regular panelists).
Zomp, my generic fanboy quote wasn't meant to imply you have every habit listed. I know you follow the game more broadly than some people who love their clubs more than the sport.
One of the issues in this forum is the dismissal of any non-happy talk about a club as trolling or banter.
Zomp, my generic fanboy quote wasn't meant to imply you have every habit listed. I know you follow the game more broadly than some people who love their clubs more than the sport.
One of the issues in this forum is the dismissal of any non-happy talk about a club as trolling or banter.
Oh good grief, that's not trolling. You didn't like that he criticized an article without him giving a good reason. Trolling is making an argument you don't believe in to get a rise out of people. Like if I said Rooney sucks or if you said Gerrard wasn't dreamy.Zomp said:
Zomp said:
This post? The one where there are two quotes from the "POS article" and bold formatting showing why I thought it was a POS? And the second example is a tongue-in-cheek response to a tongue-in-cheek post that contains a tongue-in-cheek smilie?
Sorry, you're wrong. You never showed one example of actual trolling. The definition just does not fit.
Soxfan does not troll. I do think that by being a guy who tries to tell it like it is, he will have people who find him annoying & that he shouldn't push so hard against that. Not having skin in the game doesn't help, but also doesn't matter.
In more important news, Abola had Moutinho headed to ManU about an hour ago, but has since removed the report. Twitter currently has ManU, Spurs, & Valencia all in the mix. Jorge Mendes clearly does not observe the Labor Day holiday.
In more important news, Abola had Moutinho headed to ManU about an hour ago, but has since removed the report. Twitter currently has ManU, Spurs, & Valencia all in the mix. Jorge Mendes clearly does not observe the Labor Day holiday.
With RVP coming in for one of Rooney or Falcao and Rooney moving to Mata's position.
Valencia and Young back up Herrera and Di Maria, Carrick for Blind.
Januzaj could cover the #10 role as well as the shuttlers.
Evans and Smalling for cover in the back.
Was that today's show? SSN reported today that he got international clearance...which to me means fuck all but apparently thats a good sign...
Looking at Falcao's stats and youtube clips its hard not to get excited. I forgot how good he was at Attletico 2 years ago.
I read a stat after the game that said Blindiesta had the 5th most passes on one game in Premier League history.
It was only QPR, but it's nice to see Herrera and Di Maria click.
It was only QPR, but it's nice to see Herrera and Di Maria click.
Zomp said:
I think the stat was that he had the 5th most passes in a single game in the Premier League this season. Not quite as impressive, but I thought he looked great Sunday and filled a role United's been lacking this season.
Really nothing today??
So the penalty was a joke, and it helped turn the game around. One of the worst back to back decisions I can remember! But they just fell apart after.
The equalizer should have been cleared three times and the fourth was just awful. Right call on the fifth and red card.
As raised several times by commentary how they could spend so much and not sign a single defender. Yeah they have more good attacking players than just about anyone but they have nothing defensively. The wins are going to have to be of the 4-2 type. And that's hard.
So the penalty was a joke, and it helped turn the game around. One of the worst back to back decisions I can remember! But they just fell apart after.
The equalizer should have been cleared three times and the fourth was just awful. Right call on the fifth and red card.
As raised several times by commentary how they could spend so much and not sign a single defender. Yeah they have more good attacking players than just about anyone but they have nothing defensively. The wins are going to have to be of the 4-2 type. And that's hard.
I just finished watching but you're right. They can score with the best of them but they have nothing defensively, especially if Jones is out.
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