Manning Legacy: Scrotal Recall

luckiestman

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In a weird way I want Manning to take every steroid available and come back and just insert "how's my ass taste" for "Omaha!" every time at the line. Just go full Trump. Manning's been a shithead for years, decades even. But now it's going to be a thing because Cam Newton acted like a fucking coward when the ball was on the field in front of him. What a strange society.
 

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Alex Marvez adds a log to the fire

The buzz is no longer about Manning’s football legacy and where he ranks among the greatest quarterbacks as he contemplates a likely retirement from the Denver Broncos with two Lombardi Trophies in tow.

Instead, Manning is set to ride off in the sunset tainted by these revelations as well as a strongly denied Al-Jazeera report claiming he used human growth hormone, a drug banned by the NFL, to accelerate his recovery from 2011 neck surgeries.

For some, the positive image Manning has worked to cultivate both on and off the field is forever gone. The Papa John’s and chicken parm will never taste as good.


http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/peyton-manning-sexual-assault-allegation-tennessee-1996-new-york-daily-news-report-021316
 

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5. I have now learned of at least 6 journalists who've had the documents I received last week for years and pretty much refused to release them or reveal the full weight of what they revealed. The machine put in place to protect Peyton Manning is incredible. It's not just reverence though, it's fear. He and his family will attempt to ruin you if you cross him.
Okay, we're going to need those names. I am far more interested in who has known about this and not reported it than I ever was about the names in the Mitchell Report, and I REALLY wanted to see the names in the Mitchell Report.
 

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I haven't read all of the articles, but skimming through the court documents it seems to me that one under analyzed facet of this whole thing is how incredibly racist both Peyton and Archie sound during this whole ordeal. They took every opportunity they had to try to involve black people as the culprit or as justification of imoral behavior by Naughright.
 

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Steven A Smith on Mike and Mike just now saying this needs to be talked about and looked into. Says he didn't know about any of this and if this was Ray Rice or Cam Newton, media would be all over it and it should be with Peyton.
 

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Steven A Smith on Mike and Mike just now saying this needs to be talked about and looked into. Says he didn't know about any of this and if this was Ray Rice or Cam Newton, media would be all over it and it should be with Peyton.
Can't believe I'm agreeing with SAS, but he's 100% right.
 

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How did Mike and Mike respond to SAS's position?
Mike Greenburg wasn't there, but Golic agreed with him. Said he never had heard of this either, and the fact that it was not only the incident, but smearing the reputation of the trainer, made it like Lance Amstrong. Shouldn't be swept aside.
 

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I am as dismissive of Shaun King as you can get, but I think this was good work. He shows the appropriate amount of restraint, sticks to what is in the court filing and allows the reader to generate their own outrage based on the facts. It is good journalism and, shockingly high quality work by King.
I actually liked the Daily Beast article a lot more than this one simply because it was better writing. King comes forward with new details (the fact it was a University cover-up, etc) but he injects himself into the article too much (like the line about the moon landing and BoB believing the world is flat). Don't think it was bad reporting just bad writing
 

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Except that it's not Shaun King making the allegations - the details of his court case are a matter of public record. I mean, I alluded to the case upthread and the details are something I've known about for years.

I actually told the story to someone at a Super Bowl party in response to the question "Why do you have something against Peyton Manning?" Like most people, they just waved it off, because it's apparently too difficult to reconcile Peyton's image with the reality of what a scumbag he is.

And to repeat, the damaging thing here is not the act itself, it's the intentional infliction of damage - many times over - on a woman who simply wanted to be able to do her job.

This is why early on when the HGH story broke, I knew that Peyton would do anything and everything to discredit the story. I expected the media to roll over, but it may very well be that we're at a tipping point and people will start to examing St. Peyton in a more critical light. Here's hoping.
This is so spot on and a parallel I tried to make earlier. What's so interesting to me is that Manning is following the exact playbook for this HGH allegation as he used for the Nautright. Bully the accuser, use outside forces to investigate/attack the accuser, while St. Peyton takes pot shots at the accuser through the media.
It's honestly disgusting and shows such a lack of integrity that it's vomit inducing. Lance Armstrong is the only other athlete I can think of that bullied people, and basically tried to ruin their lives, to this extent for telling people the truth
 

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Michael McCann has a new SI piece up (including some court documents) detailing some of the suits and counter-suits between Manning and Naughright.

Fair warning: The SI webpage crashed 2 different browsers on me until I could get it to run properly.
 

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Lot's of people on another forum I frequent (who have been big Peyton supporters) are actually paying attention to this now and writing things critical of Manning.
 

EL Jeffe

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Compared him to Armstrong, Braun and Tiger Woods. Said his legacy is now tarnished. I eventually turned it off because as much as I enjoyed it, it's still First Take. Watching those two makes me feel dirty. But this was a big time takedown of Manning. It's all happening.
 

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It fascinates me this is becoming a thing now only because the skeleton of this Tennessee story has been out there in some form for like two decades and no one ever bothered to dig into it. Now in 2016 someone finally decides to examine it? Crazy.
 

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It was a combination of things. I do think that, after the HGH thing kind of simmered impotently, people suddenly at least questioned Manning's whole shtick. Then the cynical Budweiser and Papa Johns thing happened and people were forced to ask themselves, hey, what is this guy really about? Is it possible he's just a bullshit artist?

So it's really the scales falling off if people's eyes. If Manning had not sent goons and had not been a brand spokesman instead of graciously eating off of the narrative plate that the media had set for him of a Old Tyme QB goes out on top!, he probably would have skated.

The "kill the boss by hitting him after his armor is down" simile was pretty apt.
 

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Front page of ESPN, Howard Bryant (I know, I know) compare Manning's treatment to Cam's...

In New England, still wounded and enraged by Deflategate, it concludes the NFL will go after the Patriots, that the league was willing to sacrifice Tom Brady. It has concluded the NFL will go after everyone and anyone but Peyton Manning, who has created a narrative of football royalty -- born a prince of a football family, embedded with NFL business partners and rumored as potential Tennessee Titans owner someday. It concludes that the NFL machine will not only avoid investigating him, but it also will trip over itself to protect him. And thus, Manning is insulated from sexual assault and PED allegations and anything else that would diminish his currency, and by extension, theirs.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14778342/reaction-peyton-manning-allegations-cam-newton-press-conference-nfl
 

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I'm going with serendipity.

and pay-back is a...

I've got to believe the U Tenn lawsuit was a work in process for some time, King gets tipped to the old story, and that HGH/AJ story and the strong-arm goons bullying the Sly family, just add some fuel to the St. Peyton is a fucking scumbag fire.
 

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I believe the recent lawsuit by the 6 women also helped bring this to the front.
I get that, but it fascinates me that it was a non-issue for the last 20 years as this guy was the face of the league and like 50 different corporate ad campaigns when anyone with access to google could figure out something pretty disgusting happened here. I guess it shouldn't, the Cosby allegations stayed under the radar for decades too, but it just seems crazy that now we get talking heads wagging their fingers and talking disapprovingly. Its been public information for almost two decades!
 

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How long before Nationwide and others suspend relationships with PM? Given the nature of these allegations, I can see it happening sooner rather than later.
It depends on how the morals clause in his contract was written. Both the sexual assault allegations and his alleged involvement in a cover-up have been a matter of public record for more than a decade. If I were the judge or arbitrator, I would be reluctant to allow a company to avoid its contractual obligations based on conduct that occurred prior to the signing of the contract, and which the company had constructive notice* of at the time it signed, unless the contract unambiguously gives the company the right to terminate in such circumstances (which I suspect it does not).

More likely, Manning's sponsors will pull their ads and not renew their endorsement contracts when they expire. Which, frankly, is not much different than what they otherwise would have done -- Michael Jordan is the only ex-athlete whose appeal as an endorser survived his retirement (occasional "old-timer" spots by guys like Montana aside), and I don't think Manning was on that level even if he was as squeaky-clean as his supporters want to believe he is.


*- "Constructive notice" is, roughly, legal-speak for "either they actually knew, or they so clearly should have known that we're going to pretend that they knew, even if they actually didn't."
 

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This is likely going to preclude his moving into a broadcast position next year as well.

Crazy what has happened.
 

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Peter King, ladies and gentlemen.

We may find out in the years to come that Manning is guilty of what Naughright charges. But more and more today, that doesn’t seem to matter. What matters is the court of social media convicting Manning the day the Daily Newsstory comes out. I may join it someday, if it’s proven that Manning did assault Naughright. But not today.

Many of you will think, after the last few years when I’ve written a lot about Manning and gotten the kind of access to him that most media people don’t get: You love Manning. You’re on Manning’s side. You don’t want to burn the relationship you have with him. I’m not going to change your mind about me or Manning in six paragraphs. But what I truly don’t want to do is burn a person based on one side of a he-said, she-said story, a story that has resulted in no criminal conviction or charges in two decades.


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