On the other hand, I could probably get a 2/12 deal from themWho would have guessed that the Mets would be the most active team in the FA market.
That seems pretty light on dollars.Mets sign Todd Frazier to a 2 year $17 million contract per Ken Rosenthal.
If players have offers on the table, they should take them right now. Before there is nothing left.That seems pretty light on dollars.
estimates earlier in the offseason for 3/40+.
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2018-top-50-free-agents/
I'm sure Boras is doing his best to keep his guys confidence up, but if I'm Moustakas and friends I'd be getting a little worried that the money is getting lower not higher the deeper this offseason goes.
It does seem light. Good thing we jumped the gun on Mitch Moreland!That seems pretty light on dollars.
estimates earlier in the offseason for 3/40+.
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2018-top-50-free-agents/
I'm sure Boras is doing his best to keep his guys confidence up, but if I'm Moustakas and friends I'd be getting a little worried that the money is getting lower not higher the deeper this offseason goes.
Yeah, why did the Sox lock him up so early? Seems like a real misread of the market.It does seem light. Good thing we jumped the gun on Mitch Moreland!
Or they just like him more than the other lower end optionsYeah, why did the Sox lock him up so early? Seems like a real misread of the market.
Fair question, although I doubt very many people read the market to play out how it has done so far this offseason.Yeah, why did the Sox lock him up so early? Seems like a real misread of the market.
Fair question, although I doubt very many people read the market to play out how it has done so far this offseason.
When DD knows what he wants, he’s aggressive!I don't think people figured on what is happening with Darvish, JDM, etc., but it was pretty clear that the market was filled with mediocre 1B options, and at least some of them would end up going really cheap. I hated the Moreland signing then and it looks even worse now.
Todd Frazier, ranked 9th on Keith Law's top 50 FA, got 2 years for 17 million.
Mitch Moreland, who is not in the top 50, got 2 years and 13 million.
Moreland should be kissing his agent's feet for getting a 2 year deal.
I mean what is Logan Morrison going to get? His OPS was 100 points higher than Moreland last year and he is two years younger. Is there going to be a guaranteed deal for him anywhere?I don't think people figured on what is happening with Darvish, JDM, etc., but it was pretty clear that the market was filled with mediocre 1B options, and at least some of them would end up going really cheap. I hated the Moreland signing then and it looks even worse now.
Todd Frazier, ranked 9th on Keith Law's top 50 FA, got 2 years for 17 million.
Mitch Moreland, who is not in the top 50, got 2 years and 13 million.
Moreland should be kissing his agent's feet for getting a 2 year deal.
E5 Yaz, the fountain of one liner's.The Mets signed Jay Bruce for 3/39 and Frazier for 2/17. 56 million over 5 years total, for 2 players is bad?? Two players that were tossed around for the Sox to sign?? How is that bad??On the other hand, I could probably get a 2/12 deal from them
Depends on the quality of players.E5 Yaz, the fountain of one liner's.The Mets signed Jay Bruce for 3/39 and Frazier for 2/17. 56 million over 5 years total, for 2 players is bad?? Two players that were tossed around for the Sox to sign?? How is that bad??
But you have over 50k posts so how dare I question your post. Wish I had 50k posts.
Yeah, it really is a crying shame that we don't have the roster spot open for him. At this point I'm guessing Morrison ends up the best low risk/high upside value signing of the winter on the offensive side, and at the most ideal position we had open going in.I mean what is Logan Morrison going to get? His OPS was 100 points higher than Moreland last year and he is two years younger. Is there going to be a guaranteed deal for him anywhere?
MLBTR had Frazier getting 3/$33M, which is closer.That seems pretty light on dollars.
estimates earlier in the offseason for 3/40+.
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2018-top-50-free-agents/
I'm sure Boras is doing his best to keep his guys confidence up, but if I'm Moustakas and friends I'd be getting a little worried that the money is getting lower not higher the deeper this offseason goes.
$2.75MM guaranteed. Seems like a steal if he can come anywhere close to what he did in 2016.Rangers have signed Oh. -Rosenthal
Frazier also signed to play 3B, right? That's my understanding, and it certainly skews any comparison. I know he said he was willing to play 1B, but was he willing to take less $ to play 3B? I don't see how this makes the Moreland signing look any worse. He's only marginally better and got paid marginally more. Not a slam dunk in my book, even if he would've taken the same money to play first.I don't think people figured on what is happening with Darvish, JDM, etc., but it was pretty clear that the market was filled with mediocre 1B options, and at least some of them would end up going really cheap. I hated the Moreland signing then and it looks even worse now.
Todd Frazier, ranked 9th on Keith Law's top 50 FA, got 2 years for 17 million.
Mitch Moreland, who is not in the top 50, got 2 years and 13 million.
Moreland should be kissing his agent's feet for getting a 2 year deal.
Yep, I’ve always liked Oh. And if he pitches halfway decent they can spin him for a solid prospect well worth the 2.75 mil at the deadline.$2.75MM guaranteed. Seems like a steal if he can come anywhere close to what he did in 2016.
He's a significantly better player than Moreland is--a better hitter, about as good a defender at a tougher position, and six months younger. The fWAR difference for the past three years sums it up nicely: Moreland has averaged 1.3 fWAR per 600 PA, Frazier 3.1.I don't see how this makes the Moreland signing look any worse.
He's a slightly a better hitter. He used to be better, but he's shown some decline. Last 3 years:He's a significantly better player than Moreland is--a better hitter, about as good a defender at a tougher position, and six months younger. The fWAR difference for the past three years sums it up nicely: Moreland has averaged 1.3 fWAR per 600 PA, Frazier 3.1.
The fact that Frazier signed for negligibly more than Moreland does indeed make the Moreland signing look pretty bad. Whether it makes it look "worse" depends on how you thought it looked in the first place.
Could you please state your point more clearly?Remember when we signed Rick Porcello for 20M/per and those who thought it was a bad idea were assured it would look like a huge bargain in the future?
Now Darvish is being paid the same money as Rick Porcello.
I have to quibble with 'under market value', this is the very definition of 'market value' since Darvish was available to anyone for the last three months.Texas cries for taxpayer money to build a new (unneeded) stadium, yet won’t invest in a under market value frontline starter.
Remember when Porcello won the Cy Young and averaged 200 innings the past three years?Remember when we signed Rick Porcello for 20M/per and those who thought it was a bad idea were assured it would look like a huge bargain in the future?
Now Darvish is being paid the same money as Rick Porcello.
Yea, I know and understand. But considering previous signings, they really look poorly here.I have to quibble with 'under market value', this is the very definition of 'market value' since Darvish was available to anyone for the last three months.
And then in the 2 years where he's been paid 20m he had an era+ of about 120 in 425 inningsRemember when we signed Rick Porcello for 20M/per and those who thought it was a bad idea were assured it would look like a huge bargain in the future?
Now Darvish is being paid the same money as Rick Porcello.
If Rick Porcello were a free agent today, what does he sign for?And then in the 2 years where he's been paid 20m he had an era+ of about 120 in 425 innings
He has 2/42 left on his deal, I'd think he might get something like 3/45 or 4/48 as a free agent now. He is a year younger than Cobb and Lynn, but would probably be roughly the same contract range, so we can see what they sign for.If Rick Porcello were a free agent today, what does he sign for?
Is a pick attached?If Rick Porcello were a free agent today, what does he sign for?
Less than 20 million. What do you think he'd have been signed for 2 years ago if teams knew he was going to put up 2 years of 425 innings with a 120ish era+? That value has already been banked, so it's not really relevant to what he'd sign for today.If Rick Porcello were a free agent today, what does he sign for?
No way. He’s got as much fWAR the last two years as Greinke, and is one of the five durable pitchers in MLB.Is a pick attached?
If he is unrestricted in this market. Two years, 15 mil total.
You're trying to paint the 4/$82 deal to a 27 yo as bad/stupid in the face of a 6/$126 deal to a 31 yo. Even with the benefit of hindsight that shows he won a CY, was worth $40M, and had a better year than any Darvish has ever had in year one? If he has two more years as bad as 2017, he's still possibly worth more over the course of his contract than Darvish over the first 4 years - and not signed through age 37.If Rick Porcello were a free agent today, what does he sign for?
What did Chatwood wind up getting? I honestly think they are pretty equivalent pitchers.No way. He’s got as much fWAR the last two years as Greinke, and is one of the five durable pitchers in MLB.
I’m not a big Porcello fan, but no way he gets less than the Chatwood contract.
3/$39M. Chatwood’s a year younger and probably harder to evaluate given the Coors factor, but you’re right, not that dissimilar repertoires.What did Chatwood wind up getting? I honestly think they are pretty equivalent pitchers.
No, and also keep in mind that some of these teams just want to get under the tax threshold once and then they will go over again if they think it is the right move.Cubs should be pretty fun next year, but does this take them out of Bryce-a-palooza now?