Sources: #Patriots TE Rob Gronkowski suffered what is believed to be a punctured lung on Sunday vs. #Seahawks. But could miss just one game.
The shearing force from a tackle can do it even without breaking a rib.IANAD, so can someone explain how you puncture a lung without breaking a bone?
IOY10BThe shearing force from a tackle can do it even without breaking a rib.
What a badass
I blew a hole in my lung in a sking fall (the right lung collapsed), with no fractures. The pain and discomfort was modest compare to the extreme pain when the doc reiflated the lung with a chest tube. Hope Gronk does not have to go through that.IANAD, so can someone explain how you puncture a lung without breaking a bone?
Good thing he and his brother's have a dedicated bus. On to Santa Clara indeed!The amount of time that he is out for is contingent on the percentage of lung which is collapsed- one would have to assume that it is fairly low since he finished the game. With a small pneumothorax such as this there is no need for a chest tube and it will just heal on its own with time.
A mitigating factor here is the long cross-country flight - because of the pressure changes they may not want him to fly for at least a week
Initial report: "Gronk is vomiting blood!"Half of Schefter's job seems to be correcting the Rappoports and LaCanforas of the world.
The hit was literally a textbook hit. The NFL might show clips of that hit at future rookie symposiums to demonstrate exactly what a clean hit looks like. He hit him square in the chest with his shoulder without launching into Gronk. If he went high, it's a flag. If he leads with his helmet, it's a flag. If he leaves his feet, it's a flag. Great play by Thomas.Scary stuff. Glad it seems like he'll be ok.
Also, how the **&%&$* wasn't that hit illegal as hell on a 'defenseless receiver'??? (presuming it was the one that caused the injury)
I asked the defenseless question on the game thread – the reply was that the rule only applies to hits to the head. Is that true? I realize we almost never seem to see defenseless receiver hits anymore with all the other rules being enforced.Also, how the **&%&$* wasn't that hit illegal as hell on a 'defenseless receiver'??? (presuming it was the one that caused the injury)
Close, here it is:I asked the defenseless question on the game thread – the reply was that the rule only applies to hits to the head. Is that true? I realize we almost never seem to see defenseless receiver hits anymore with all the other rules being enforced.
- Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is:
- forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, even if the initial contact is lower than the player’s neck, and regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenselessplayer by encircling or grasping him
- lowering the head and making forcible contact with the crown or ”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenselessplayer’s body
- illegally launching into a defenseless opponent. It is an illegal launch if a player (i) leaves both feet prior to contact to spring forward and upward into his opponent, and (ii) uses any part of his helmet to initiate forcible contact against any part of his opponent’s body. (This does not apply to contact against a runner, unless the runner is still considered to be a defenselessplayer, as defined in Article 7.)
You know hips don't lie. (As opposed to trying to figure who's defenseless)Can we just put flags on their hips? The hitting makes me nervous.
Somewhat off topic, but it's possible to have a collapsed lung even without the massive force. When I was 18 I suffered a spontaneous pneumothorax while just hanging out at my friend's birthday party. Perhaps of interest to those wondering about playing through it, I went about my life in a bit of pain (as though I'd pulled a muscle) and with some moderate wheezing for almost a week before the odd gurgling noises in my chest finally prompted me to go to the doctor. After x-rays it was determined that my right lung was 80% collapsed and I had to have a chest tube inserted. The tube was in for a couple weeks including my first week of college where it made for a great party trick - put the end of the tube in a cup of water, get some people in nice and close to look, then cough and launch water everywhere.Yep. The blunt force from the tackle caused the lung to separate from the inner surface of the chest cavity. Generally the lung adheres to the chest cavity, like a balloon fitting snugly into a container. A tiny bit of air has escaped the lung and is now trapped in between the chest cavity and the lung itself. If the news reports are correct, then this air will be resorbed by the body without the need for a chest tube. Once that happens the collapsed portion of the lung will re-inflate and it's problem solved. "Punctured lung" is a misnomer in this case - I think collapse is more accurate.
DRS is right (as always) re the recovery time and concerns re a pressurized flight.
Umm...resident doctors? What are we dealing with?
I blew a hole in my lung in a sking fall (the right lung collapsed), with no fractures. The pain and discomfort was modest compare to the extreme pain when the doc reiflated the lung with a chest tube. Hope Gronk does not have to go through that.
The amount of time that he is out for is contingent on the percentage of lung which is collapsed- one would have to assume that it is fairly low since he finished the game. With a small pneumothorax such as this there is no need for a chest tube and it will just heal on its own with time.
A mitigating factor here is the long cross-country flight - because of the pressure changes they may not want him to fly for at least a week
Good thing he and his brother's have a dedicated bus. On to Santa Clara indeed!
Yep. The blunt force from the tackle caused the lung to separate from the inner surface of the chest cavity. Generally the lung adheres to the chest cavity, like a balloon fitting snugly into a container. A tiny bit of air has escaped the lung and is now trapped in between the chest cavity and the lung itself. If the news reports are correct, then this air will be resorbed by the body without the need for a chest tube. Once that happens the collapsed portion of the lung will re-inflate and it's problem solved. "Punctured lung" is a misnomer in this case - I think collapse is more accurate.
DRS is right (as always) re the recovery time and concerns re a pressurized flight.
Scary stuff. Glad it seems like he'll be ok.
Also, how the **&%&$* wasn't that hit illegal as hell on a 'defenseless receiver'??? (presuming it was the one that caused the injury)
Somewhat off topic, but it's possible to have a collapsed lung even without the massive force. When I was 18 I suffered a spontaneous pneumothorax while just hanging out at my friend's birthday party. Perhaps of interest to those wondering about playing through it, I went about my life in a bit of pain (as though I'd pulled a muscle) and with some moderate wheezing for almost a week before the odd gurgling noises in my chest finally prompted me to go to the doctor. After x-rays it was determined that my right lung was 80% collapsed and I had to have a chest tube inserted. The tube was in for a couple weeks including my first week of college where it made for a great party trick - put the end of the tube in a cup of water, get some people in nice and close to look, then cough and launch water everywhere.
Man, I fucking love this place.Yes. Spontaneous pneumothoracies (PTX) occur pretty frequently. Usually in tall, thin teenagers. Usually nothing to worry about - sounds like yours was relatively severe. Most spontaneous PTX's resolve without treatment or a small "pigtail" catheter. Bong hits are often the culprit - just saying.
Re spontaneous PTX.I blew a hole in my lung in a sking fall (the right lung collapsed), with no fractures. The pain and discomfort was modest compare to the extreme pain when the doc reiflated the lung with a chest tube. Hope Gronk does not have to go through that.
I'd much rather bring him to Denver now than in January.Yeah as long as the Pats keep winning games he should be resting up until he is 100%. Even if he is 100% I still might not bring him to Denver.
Well yeah if they go to Denver in January they are losing. Period.I'd much rather bring him to Denver now than in January.
Three things have been established as immutable laws within the Patriots universe.That's a bit much.
Fixed. But thank you.Three things have been established as immutable laws within the Patriots universe.
1 - Do not play Denver at Denver ever unless Tebow or Danny Kannell is the QB (and even that might take a miracle finish / genius intentional safety maneuver)
2 - Do not play Baltimore at home in the playoffs.
3 - Do not play the Giants in the SB.
These are irrefutable facts and as such, should be pinned to the top of this forum until the web server hosting this site dissolves.
This is exactly how I feel.Well yeah if they go to Denver in January they are losing. Period.
Then why would you sit Gronk in a game very well could have home field implications against Denver?Well yeah if they go to Denver in January they are losing. Period.
Just hoping it's a 2 game gap between Pats and Denver by that time.Then why would you sit Gronk in a game very well could have home field implications against Denver?
Exactly. If Pats go into that game with 2 losses and Denver has 4 losses, then screw it.Just hoping it's a 2 game gap between Pats and Denver by that time.