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Does it also explain his inability to not put weight on it, and having to be helped to the cart, his teammates taking a knee next to him, and the brace over the same lower leg prior to pulling up lame?

I hope I'm wrong, because I pretty much hate injuries in pre-season to anyone that isn't on the Jets or Chiefs, but that seemed to me to be a bit worse than a calf strain. Could just be really precautionary, but....
I had a grade three (complete tear) calf strain playing soccer a couple of years ago and pulled up like he did there, then turned around to see who threw a rock at my leg. Had to hop/limp home and it took a while and a bunch of PT to get back to sports. I am, however, a 45 year old weekend warrior not a twenty-something professional athlete with access to top medical care, but I'd think he'd be laid up for a while if it's a grade three.
 

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Does it also explain his inability to not put weight on it, and having to be helped to the cart, his teammates taking a knee next to him, and the brace over the same lower leg prior to pulling up lame?

I hope I'm wrong, because I pretty much hate injuries in pre-season to anyone that isn't on the Jets or Chiefs, but that seemed to me to be a bit worse than a calf strain. Could just be really precautionary, but....
There’s obviously more factors. I was just sharing what I thought was an interesting observation I read. It is more common for players to be taken off on a cart in the preseason with lesser injuries. Certainly didn’t claim any proof that it’s not a serious injury.
 

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I had a grade three (complete tear) calf strain playing soccer a couple of years ago and pulled up like he did there, then turned around to see who threw a rock at my leg. Had to hop/limp home and it took a while and a bunch of PT to get back to sports. I am, however, a 45 year old weekend warrior not a twenty-something professional athlete with access to top medical care, but I'd think he'd be laid up for a while if it's a grade three.
Yes, I have done this injury 3 times myself. When it tears it absolutely feels like a rock or golf ball has smashed into your calf muscle. You can get back to a normal walking gait in a few days, but really being able to push off and run with the damaged calf takes longer.

BTW, it's ludicrous how many press reports say "Burrow suffered calf strain" without stating which leg was injured. The right leg is a bit more critical as the power leg for a right-handed thrower like Burrow.
 
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Does it also explain his inability to not put weight on it, and having to be helped to the cart, his teammates taking a knee next to him, and the brace over the same lower leg prior to pulling up lame?

I hope I'm wrong, because I pretty much hate injuries in pre-season to anyone that isn't on the Jets or Chiefs, but that seemed to me to be a bit worse than a calf strain. Could just be really precautionary, but....
The word "Strain" tends to be used for lower grade injuries in common discussion, but the word in theory doesn't actually imply anything about the grade. You can have a "grade 3 strain", which basically means a high grade tear.

There is typically a pretty good correlation with a player's immediate reaction and the grade. Lower grade 1 injuries usually bother someone right away but can still run and sort of play through it for a bit. A reaction like Burrow's typically goes with a grade 2 or grade 2/3 injury. It's not 100%, but it's been studied and not surprisingly there is a clear correlation.

Since they have now said "several weeks", I bet the MRI looks pretty ugly and it's a grade 2 or maybe even a "bad grade 2" partial tear. A grade 2 would be typically 4-6 weeks, Grade 2/3 maybe 6-8 weeks, grade 3 more like 8+ weeks.
 

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The word "Strain" tends to be used for lower grade injuries in common discussion, but the word in theory doesn't actually imply anything about the grade. You can have a "grade 3 strain", which basically means a high grade tear.

There is typically a pretty good correlation with a player's immediate reaction and the grade. Lower grade 1 injuries usually bother someone right away but can still run and sort of play through it for a bit. A reaction like Burrow's typically goes with a grade 2 or grade 2/3 injury. It's not 100%, but it's been studied and not surprisingly there is a clear correlation.

Since they have now said "several weeks", I bet the MRI looks pretty ugly and it's a grade 2 or maybe even a "bad grade 2" partial tear. A grade 2 would be typically 4-6 weeks, Grade 2/3 maybe 6-8 weeks, grade 3 more like 8+ weeks.
Yeah but burrow is a gritty gamer with swag so I’ll bet he has a high pain tolerance and gets back much faster
 

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Yeah but burrow is a gritty gamer with swag so I’ll bet he has a high pain tolerance and gets back much faster
Lol.

For the Super Bowl, all bets are off on those estimates.

In pre-season? I bet a month at minimum for him. Maybe more.
 

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I guess Irsay has to make sure everyone knows he's now the worst owner in the NFL now that Daniel Snyder is gone. He must have been super jealous.
 

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Rams RB Sony Michel is retiring, Sean McVay tells us on @nflnetwork.
It's really never a good idea to take a RB in the 1st round unless they are a generational talent, and his career here and overall was pretty underwhelming. Still, his 2018 playoff run can go down as perhaps the best postseason of any Pats RB in history. 336 yards and 6 TDs, those are numbers that no other RB in this run (Smith, Dillon, Faulk, Maroney, White, Woodhead, Green-Ellis, Vereen, Blount, Burkhead and Lewis) came come close to touching.
 

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Not that I would want to go too crazy because I love Rhamondre, but Taylor is freaking awesome. I wonder, if this gets ugly, what the price would be to get him. He’s an absolute stud.
 

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Wonder when the union steps in given how NFI works if Taylor is outright denying the condition.

With that said I bet Richardson loves that the owner and (by far) their most effective offensive player are publicly at battle now. Very healthy.

I’m also kind of curious if some team might take a swing at committeeing these backs at this point. Taylor and Cook on a rotation sounds like a nightmare to deal with.
 
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It's really never a good idea to take a RB in the 1st round unless they are a generational talent, and his career here and overall was pretty underwhelming. Still, his 2018 playoff run can go down as perhaps the best postseason of any Pats RB in history. 336 yards and 6 TDs, those are numbers that no other RB in this run (Smith, Dillon, Faulk, Maroney, White, Woodhead, Green-Ellis, Vereen, Blount, Burkhead and Lewis) came come close to touching.
That playoff run for him was great, and he was very in sync with the line, making a lot of smart, good plays. He just never seemed to have a real burst or be able to make exceptional, explosive plays like some of his UGA highlights would suggest, which I'm sure was a result of accumulated injury.
 

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Seems like that would be the kiss of death for the on-side kick.
No, the XFL has that too--you indicate you want to onside kick and then teams line up under traditional rules. It's just there would be no "surprise" onside kicks.
 

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No, the XFL has that too--you indicate you want to onside kick and then teams line up under traditional rules. It's just there would be no "surprise" onside kicks.
This is exactly what I’ve been advocating for the minute the NFL changed the rules on how you line up for kickoffs. Glad to see they’re considering it. It makes all the sense in the world, which, of course, is why the NFL didn’t adopt it.
 
I should also note that while there are no suprise onside kicks under this kickoff rule, the possibility of a surprise non-onside kick seems to be there...it's hard to pin down exactly what an onside kick has to look like to be considered one, so it seems to me as though you can get everyone up for an onside kick and then drill the ball low and through everyone, which might make sense in certain circumstances.
 

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I still think that the over-reliance on the "high-bounce-then-beat-the-shit-out-of-the-guy" kick has unnecessarily lowered onside kick success. Tight-assed controlling NFL coaches -- especially the vein-popping special teams coaches that get good TV time for their popping veins and the speed at which they run up and down the sidelines yelling at people -- seem unwilling to acknowledge that the random bounces of an oblate spheroid kicked really hard at someone might present them with a better opportunity to recover than some choreographed crash-dummy act. Ceding control of the circumstances like that is not in their DNA.
 

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I still think that the over-reliance on the "high-bounce-then-beat-the-shit-out-of-the-guy" kick has unnecessarily lowered onside kick success. Tight-assed controlling NFL coaches -- especially the vein-popping special teams coaches that get good TV time for their popping veins and the speed at which they run up and down the sidelines yelling at people -- seem unwilling to acknowledge that the random bounces of an oblate spheroid kicked really hard at someone might present them with a better opportunity to recover than some choreographed crash-dummy act. Ceding control of the circumstances like that is not in their DNA.
The problem is that if you kick it really hard toward the sideline, all the receiving team guy needs to do is get out of the way, and it will go out of bounds. If you kick it really hard to the up man at center, then he can get out of the way and that ball goes all the way to the goal line.
 

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The problem is that if you kick it really hard toward the sideline, all the receiving team guy needs to do is get out of the way, and it will go out of bounds. If you kick it really hard to the up man at center, then he can get out of the way and that ball goes all the way to the goal line.
Dont kick it *that* hard!! Just hard enough to make a guy near the middle think he can play it. It won't make it likely that the kicking team will recover it. I just think it's slightly better odds. Like blackjack vs roulette. (IANAK)
 

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No, the XFL has that too--you indicate you want to onside kick and then teams line up under traditional rules. It's just there would be no "surprise" onside kicks.
For whatever it's worth, while that was an option available, I don't think it was ever used. All the XFL's "onside kicks" were a 4th and 15 play from scrimmage.

OPTIONS TO KEEP BALL

  • Teams will have two options to keep the ball after scoring:
    • Traditional onside kick (any time during game) or
    • 4th and 15 conversion from own 25-yard line (4th quarter only)
https://www.xfl.com/rules
 

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Vikings wild about Harry?

On Sunday, the Minnesota Vikings signed former first-round pick N'Keal Harry, the team announced. The wide receiver was drafted by the New England Patriots in 2019 and was with New England through 2021. Harry played for the Chicago Bears last season.

The 25-year-old became a free agent in March. Harry comes joins a team with two injured receivers: Jalen Nailor, who suffered a lower leg injury at the start of training camp, and Trishton Jackson, who suffered a lower leg injury last week.

Harry joins wide receivers Justin Jefferson and Jalen Reagor as well as tight end T.J. Hockenson as Vikings pass catchers who were former first-round picks. Harry was signed to the 90-man roster and still needs to make the final cut before the 2023 season begins.