I think it’s great. That series ruled.I love that we're re-litigating a basketball series 40+ years ago in this random NFL championship game thread.
I think it’s great. That series ruled.I love that we're re-litigating a basketball series 40+ years ago in this random NFL championship game thread.
Everything in sports is meaningless 40 seconds after the fact. But the scars from our youth run deeper. It's why 1978 will always hurt more for me than 1986 and 2003.Counting fouls is cherry picking to the nth degree, proves nothing and is meaningless 40 years after the fact.
Nonetheless the 76ers won in 7 the next year. Go figure. They were two great teams that played in very
memorable series.
1980’s NBA does fit with the cocaine theme of the thread.I love that we're re-litigating a basketball series 40+ years ago in this random NFL championship game thread.
Man, go celebrate somewhere. The calls were awful. Its OK, you don’t have to admit it. You’re in the SB.The internet is never wrong. I could point out shit that I saw (like not calling forward progress to be stopped near the end of the 1st half, thus giving Cincy the equivalent of an extra time out, and others), but there are always bad calls. Too bad the faux controversy overshadows a pretty amazing effort by a defense with an essentially all-rookie secondary against a really fucking good Bengal offense and an offense with one legitimate WR and a one-legged QB against a really fucking good Bengal defense. Whatever, peace.
In honor of the 81 sixers star Daryl Dawkins would name this post “bill firch whining stern conspiring Robert parish fedex supplying ml carr high fiving remagellen crying Mchale elbowing dr j impregnating larry bird mvp’ing whamCounting fouls is cherry picking to the nth degree, proves nothing and is meaningless 40 years after the fact.
Nonetheless the 76ers won in 7 the next year. Go figure. They were two great teams that played in very
memorable series.
Especially because we won fair and square with no help from the refs! I was born in ‘82. I’ll sit this one out. But I’m very impressed at the grudge harboring.I think it’s great. That series ruled.
It doesn't have to be a dinosaur size extinction event, maybe just a 5 foot hole between the 40 yard lines. Let the geniuses at NFL HQ figure it out from there.I was just wondering what's one degree short of the meteor strike. I have no love for the Eagles, and absolutely loathe the Chiefs and their fans, but a meteor strike would screw up things for the rest of us humans on Earth for a long time. I'd like to see a flock of diarrheic pigeons deciding to swarm in Arizona and continually fly over the stadium just before kickoff.
That series was the best most intense and maybe had more HoF talent than any non Finals series EVER. It was The N B A as it should be.Everything in sports is meaningless 40 seconds after the fact. But the scars from our youth run deeper. It's why 1978 will always hurt more for me than 1986 and 2003.
And you guys traded Moses Malone and Braud Daugherty for Jeff Ruland and Roy HinsonVery classy. You guys are the MFY fans of basketball.
Paging Bane…It doesn't have to be a dinosaur size extinction event, maybe just a 5 foot hole between the 40 yard lines. Let the geniuses at NFL HQ figure it out from there.
No, we (Sixers fans) didn't--Harold Katz did. I'm pretty sure there wasn't a single Sixers fan happy with those trades. Katz argued they were good moves because the Sixers played well without Moses in the playoffs that past season, which ended with them losing in seven games to the Bucks in the second round. To which I would say to him if I could, "When did losing to the Bucks in the second round in seven games become the measure of a successful season?"And you guys traded Moses Malone and Braud Daugherty for Jeff Ruland and Roy Hinson
He might not need 7, but he needs...at least 4. Because Montana is still there.
The numbers in this era of passing distort things, and I wish there was some sort of passer rating + stat kind of like ops+ or era+ that takes into account the era in which these guys played. If he doesn't get this one this year, suddenly he's 1-2 in Super Bowls and it's another season where he doesn't get his second. But at 2-1, he's on a really good track to get to 4 or 5.
Again though, let's see how things shake out. He won't have Kelce forever, and his contract will eat up far more of the salary cap at some point, and at some point Reid will retire and he's been amazing for the Chiefs. Lots of stuff can happen here to get in the way of crowning Mahomes the GOAT.
He also left out Parish and McHale that didn’t really help his argument.. but also DawkinsCounting fouls is cherry picking to the nth degree, proves nothing and is meaningless 40 years after the fact.
Nonetheless the 76ers won in 7 the next year. Go figure. They were two great teams that played in very
memorable series.
Different sport. Would be similar if MLB pitchers pitched every game.This focus on rings for GOAT status is a bit Brady-friendly. We don’t really count rings for other sports. Is Pedro not the GOAT pitcher?
Oh sorry. I thought you personally insisted on including Andrew Lang in the Barkley deal. My bad.No, we (Sixers fans) didn't--Harold Katz did.
Exactly. Especially in football. Basketball? Sure.This focus on rings for GOAT status is a bit Brady-friendly. We don’t really count rings for other sports. Is Pedro not the GOAT pitcher?
Ok, so is Russell the GOAT? Terry Bradshaw was never in consideration even before Brady.Different sport. Would be similar if MLB pitchers pitched every game.
is the bolded really true? I’m trying to think of any players he’s made great.. and that’s not to slight him.. but Hill and Kelce were both pretty freakin good. What other superstars has he made? Maybe some of the RBs? But his receivers especially this year haven’t been greats.I'd be shocked if he doesn't get 4. He's knocking on the doorstep of 2 as we speak, and it could be 4 already. And Brady gets the benefit of the passing era distortion for more of his career than he didn't.
Mahomes doesn't need Kelce any more than Brady needed Gronk, just like he didn't need Tyreek. Mahomes is Brady with more mobility and improvisational skills. He has the killer mindset, the ability to turn nobodies into NFL receivers, and greats into GOATs.
His biggest challenge will be durability. I've never seen Brady lessen his play due to injury other than perhaps a thumb. Mahomes can get hurt and it alters his effectiveness at times. He's not built like Brady, certainly doesn't train like Brady, and doesn't play like him, so I doubt he matches Brady's longevity numbers. But he's got everything else.
Wrong fanbase to ask that question toOk, so is Russell the GOAT? Terry Bradshaw was never in consideration even before Brady.
That all sounds pretty reasonable. The refs were terrible overall but these two situations seemed to be handled appropriately.
You would all but eliminate sacks from the game with that rule change.The league should allow intentional grounding. It’s silly to make the QB throw it at some RBs feet but not an OLman. If you want to protect QBs just let them ground. Another rule that doesn’t need to exist yet complicates the game.
I don’t know. He says that after the play the field judge said he had tried to stop the play but nobody heard him. So they consulted and decided do over. That sounds like a too late situation to me. At that point does It make any sense at all to ignore a play that just happened and which you were too late to stop just to add two seconds to the clock?That all sounds pretty reasonable. The refs were terrible overall but these two situations seemed to be handled appropriately.
Isn't the issue here that maybe some of the players heard him so it possibly affected the play?I don’t know. He says that after the play the field judge said he had tried to stop the play but nobody heard him. So they consulted and decided do over. That sounds like a too late situation to me. At that point does It make any sense at all to ignore a play that just happened and which you were too late to stop just to add two seconds to the clock?
The bad officiating kind of masks the questionable play calling in the last two drives Cincy had. Reminiscent of the gag job coaching in last year's Super Bowl.Cincinnati was in control and elected to try deep shots on 2nd & 3 AND 3rd & 3 (long armpunt pick). Despite KC having no offense at the end, CIN lost control of the game right there. They were close to getting it back but the intentional grounding - sack combo with their shitty OL guaranteed no regulation win, then the roughing ended it.
Well, he led the league in yards and touchdowns, so if you can't name anybody he made great, then I guess that's an even bigger point for him?is the bolded really true? I’m trying to think of any players he’s made great.. and that’s not to slight him.. but Hill and Kelce were both pretty freakin good. What other superstars has he made? Maybe some of the RBs? But his receivers especially this year haven’t been greats.
I think he’s a great qb but I’m trying to think of an Edelman type or any number of WRs Brady had on his team that he made into good WRs that were basically nobodies before they go there.
I’m not as familiar with the chiefs rosters over the years tho
Pitchers control team success a whole lot less than quarterbacks, so it's different. I think it's natural to give a lot of weight to rings when judging a position that disproportionately impacts wins and losses more than arguably any other in any other sport. Obviously, if Mahomes wins 5 Lombardis, he'll have an argument if the rest of his career is up to par, but when one guy has won seven, it's hard to be in the conversation with anything less than 4, I'd say.This focus on rings for GOAT status is a bit Brady-friendly. We don’t really count rings for other sports. Is Pedro not the GOAT pitcher?
Mahomes' first 5 seasons stack up really well to Brady and Manning's 5 year peak, his start has been insane. But there's always a chance he's Dan Marino and peaks really early and never reaches these heights again.I'm not sure if the question being asked in the Mahomes vs Brady comparison is peak or career. Looking at career accomplishments, the number of Lombardi's absolutely has to be in the discussion as a criterion. Not the only one, but a factor nonetheless, especially given that one of them requires 2 hands to wear all of his.
Another key criterion, IMHO, is how the QB performed when forced to throw 50+ passes in a game. Most QB's, even in today's NFL, have losing records when they log more than 50 attempts. Mahomes has done it 5 times, and has a 3-2 record, which is quite impressive. Now look at Brady's record for doing the same..... system QB my ass. Still, Mahomes probably has the best chance of any active QB not named Bailey Zappe to meet or exceed some of Brady's career accomplishments.
Now, as for peak QB play, it's a much closer argument, and Mahomes may not even be at his peak yet.
Tom Brady hasn't been called a system quarterback in 15 years. Nobody is alleging Tom Brady was just in the right place at the right time. Nobody is alleging Tom Brady isn't the best QB of all time.I'm not sure if the question being asked in the Mahomes vs Brady comparison is peak or career. Looking at career accomplishments, the number of Lombardi's absolutely has to be in the discussion as a criterion. Not the only one, but a factor nonetheless, especially given that one of them requires 2 hands to wear all of his.
Another key criterion, IMHO, is how the QB performed when forced to throw 50+ passes in a game. Most QB's, even in today's NFL, have losing records when they log more than 50 attempts. Mahomes has done it 5 times, and has a 3-2 record, which is quite impressive. Now look at Brady's record for doing the same..... system QB my ass. Still, Mahomes probably has the best chance of any active QB not named Bailey Zappe to meet or exceed some of Brady's career accomplishments.
Now, as for peak QB play, it's a much closer argument, and Mahomes may not even be at his peak yet.
Mahomes is incredible. The coverage of him is over-the-top but who really cares. He’s earned it. If it weren’t for TB12 being stupid good, Mahomes would be a 27 year-old going for his 4th SB title. With Kelce turning 34 next season, this feels like an important game for the Mahomes legacy talk though. It’ll be very hard to get out of the AFC in the coming years so you just never know.People who are really invested in Brady being the greatest QB of all-time are going to have to get used to their being a potential challenger every few seasons for the next few decades. It's the nature of the sports discussion beast.
Mahomes is phenomenal. I can't believe there's a take that he doesn't make those around him better. Just look at some of his completions yesterday. Guy is pure silk back there, just always moving with his eyes downfield to find someone. He's an assassin.
This is the way. The games would run much smoother even if you only eliminated select rules like the Polian Crybaby Penalty.They should cut the rule book in half. Or more. If they’re going to be this bad and get so much wrong, then the league should stop overregulating the game.
Make most holds legal, most DPIs, blocks in the back, etc.Just call the egregious stuff. They’re clearly not capable of accurately enforcing the current massive rule book.
Mahomes' start has been fantastic and yet even then he's lost 2 AFCCG at home (one of which was because he threw an INT in OT), lost a SB in an embarrassing blowout, and won a SB because SF's defense imploded and Jimmy G missed a WIDE open throw for a GW touchdown.Mahomes' first 5 seasons stack up really well to Brady and Manning's 5 year peak, his start has been insane. But there's always a chance he's Dan Marino and peaks really early and never reaches these heights again.
Sure, but just like it took LeBron having a decade+ of consistent success before people started talking about him in relation to Jordan, there is no argument for Mahomes yet. He is the undisputed greatest of his generation at this point but even that can change in 3-5 years.People who are really invested in Brady being the greatest QB of all-time are going to have to get used to their being a potential challenger every few seasons for the next few decades. It's the nature of the sports discussion beast.
Mahomes is phenomenal. I can't believe there's a take that he doesn't make those around him better. Just look at some of his completions yesterday. Guy is pure silk back there, just always moving with his eyes downfield to find someone. He's an assassin.
Yep, it's absolutely no disrespect to Brady to say that Mahomes' start to his career has been unfathomably great, both in terms of team success (3 trips to the SB, 5 straight trips to the AFCCG) and individual performance (will win his 2nd MVP this year, and has put up insane numbers), possibly even greater than Brady's first 6 years - (well all except SB titles, it is).Mahomes' start has been fantastic and yet even then he's lost 2 AFCCG at home (one of which was because he threw an INT in OT), lost a SB in an embarrassing blowout, and won a SB because SF's defense imploded and Jimmy G missed a WIDE open throw for a GW touchdown.
He's had a great start and yet he's still nowhere near Brady. The comparisons should stop because there is no comparison. Let Mahomes be this consistently great for the next ten years and maybe we can start the convo.
Yes. That's the point. One of the seven officials was blowing his whistle and was out of position. Since the others didn't hear him they didn't stop the play from happening. But in that situation a play should not count.Isn't the issue here that maybe some of the players heard him so it possibly affected the play?
They do all the time.Also, when the FUCK will teams learn to double team Kelce with a bracket? This is basic, basic stuff.
It's a tall task to compare these QBs until Mahomes has a little more mileage, as he was "born on third base" as far as the system he started out in. Not knocking this, it should put him in a better position and build more confidence for when the supporting cast is not as great but he has the experience to be a better QB. But it remains to be seen if a normal QB peak will apply to him, he'll simply plateau at the current level (which would mean a top 1 or 2 all-time career), or his stats will diminish and how much once guys like Kelce and Andy Reid (to name 2 people who also contributed a lot to the KC success) depart.I'm not sure if the question being asked in the Mahomes vs Brady comparison is peak or career. Looking at career accomplishments, the number of Lombardi's absolutely has to be in the discussion as a criterion. Not the only one, but a factor nonetheless, especially given that one of them requires 2 hands to wear all of his.
Another key criterion, IMHO, is how the QB performed when forced to throw 50+ passes in a game. Most QB's, even in today's NFL, have losing records when they log more than 50 attempts. Mahomes has done it 5 times, and has a 3-2 record, which is quite impressive. Now look at Brady's record for doing the same..... system QB my ass. Still, Mahomes probably has the best chance of any active QB not named Bailey Zappe to meet or exceed some of Brady's career accomplishments.
Now, as for peak QB play, it's a much closer argument, and Mahomes may not even be at his peak yet.