Non-Patriots Training Camp News and Notes
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They traded some of those picks in other deals which lead to:dcmissle said:
St. Louis received: DT Michael Brockers, CB Janoris Jenkins, RB Isaiah Pead, G Rokevious Watkins, LB Alec Ogletree, WR Stedman Bailey, RB Zac Stacy, OT Greg Robinson
BTW, the hit that concussed Welker wasn't even excessively hard. He was also wearing a helmet with extra pads.
Kinda scary that he's so susceptible now.
Kinda scary that he's so susceptible now.
86spike said:
Not that it changes your point about the hit not being excessively hard, but is there any evidence that helmets with extra internal pads make any difference in the concussion risk?
Not trying to make a point, just curious.
PS: Answered my own question with 15 sec of searching, and the answer appears to be yes. Ironic that the person they discuss using this new type of helmet is Welker himself.
SeoulSoxFan said:
That is bonkers. For lots of reasons.
Mallet is a terrible fit in Brian Schottenheimer's horizontal passing attack. Just horrible. STL would be better off with Christian Ponder or the Sanchize.
It is possible that the base defense this season in NE is a 3-4 and Sam has looked good as a 4-3 DE. And while he's a great story, I'd be looking to see if STL would swap Kendall Langford for Ryan Mallet and a late round pick. STL does have a roster crunch on the DL and Langford might be expendable if Aaron Donald is ready to start.
I don't think the Rams are in a rush to trade for a QB. Hill has gotten plenty of work in the preseason and will be the starter. If they do make a move, it's going to be for a veteran backup that has some game experience. They would stick with Austin Davis and Gale Gilbert before dealing for a guy like Mallet.
Super Nomario said:
soxfan121 said:
So you're sayin' there's a chance!
Seriously, that was a bonkers idea. Thanks for the detail explanation too SF -- frankly my question didn't deserve such analysis.
Cam Newton got a hairline fracture from the Collins hit in the second quarter. Good thing he did not slide and got the extra yard in a preseason game...
http://deadspin.com/cam-newton-has-fractured-rib-is-questionable-for-week-1626419642
http://deadspin.com/cam-newton-has-fractured-rib-is-questionable-for-week-1626419642
Hill hasn't started a game since 2010 and is a career backup.SoxFanInCali said:
I guess Hill is a stabilizing presence, but -- especially given Bradford's inability to stay on the field -- if I were a Rams fan I would rather use the lost 2014 season to try to find a QB who could take us somewhere in 2015 and beyond.
I expect Hill will be the Week 1 starter, but if he's still starting by Week 8 I would be surprised.
Not sure the 2014 season is lost. Bradford was going to game manage, the team is built around the front 7. Hill can win a lot of 20-17 games for them.dynomite said:
soxfan121 said:
bosockboy said:
This always made me wonder how Kenny Britt was going to be a fit on the St Louis Rams. Through Britts first 3 seasons in the league, hie was sitting at 17.5 yards per catch, which would have been 5th in the NFL last year. For his career, he's still sitting at 15.6 yards per catch, which as a comparison, would be 16th in the NFL last year.
Football outsiders has his YAC/reception (yards after catch per reception) at:
2009: 59th
2010: 92nd
2011: N/A
2012: 76th
2013: 111th (dead last)
This is for receivers with 25% of snaps.
It's really quite amazing how high is yards per catch are with such a low YAC. In other words, Kenny Britt is a guy with wheels who doesn't break tackles. Great deep threat and not much else.
I'm not sure how the Rams planned on using Britt, but with Schottenheimer at the helm, this feels eerily similar to the Santonio Holmes situation in New York. Holmes averaged 16.3 yards per reception in his 4 years with the Steelers, came to Schottenheimer's offense, and proceeded to shit the bed in a scheme that was a horrible fit for his skill set.
I do not see this ending well.
1) In the 2014 NFC West this was probably not going to be a playoffs season no matter who was at QB for the Rams.bosockboy said:
2) I haven't watched much of Bradford, but from stats alone in his 7 games last season Bradford looked pretty solid, on pace for 3,800 yards, 31 TDs, and only 9 INTs. (In other words, Tony Romo's 2013). You might have watched more of those games than I did and have a better sense of this.
Maybe there was more to the story, but that's better than what I think of as a, say, Trent Dilfer "game manager."
dynomite said:
Good points....they have since admitted they are going to pound the football with Zac Stacy.
Bradford is not a good QB he usually gets the" game manager" tag because he rarely throws beyond 10 yards and when he throws deep he's terrible.dynomite said:
Barnwell wrote a bit about it a few weeks ago http://grantland.com/features/sam-bradford-st-louis-rams/
Last year his numbers were better but it was 7 games and most of the production in terms of TDs came against terrible defenses. San Francisco mauled him and would have again as would Seattle in those two games.
Bradford's career numbers are worse than Hill's I'm not sure it isn't an upgrade.
I think their best strategy is to play Hill to develop their young WR and O-line, then look to the draft or FA for a long term QB.
Cellar-Door said:
A lot of truth....but they've never given him legit receivers. It's really hard to tell which was the culprit, or both. We'll never know now.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure we've seen the last of Bradford in St. Louis. This year was really the make-or-break season to see if they would pay the last couple years of his deal or cut him. They aren't going to pay him next year to try and come back from a twice-blown ACL.
Hill should be OK this year if he can stay healthy. Austin Davis has been in the system for 3 years, he's not a guy you would want to see starting too many games but could come in and get through the rest of a game as an injury replacement. Gilbert's a guy they can look at and see if they think there is any potential there for the future. Nobody out there available for a trade looks to be an upgrade on Hill, so my guess is that they stand pat, and maybe bring in a veteran later if anyone they like becomes available after final cuts.
Hill should be OK this year if he can stay healthy. Austin Davis has been in the system for 3 years, he's not a guy you would want to see starting too many games but could come in and get through the rest of a game as an injury replacement. Gilbert's a guy they can look at and see if they think there is any potential there for the future. Nobody out there available for a trade looks to be an upgrade on Hill, so my guess is that they stand pat, and maybe bring in a veteran later if anyone they like becomes available after final cuts.
A guy like Merriweather should be suspended for half the season imo. Someone that clearly doesn't want to comply with the rules and thus makes the game more dangerous for other players. He has been punished before, but they haven't gotten him to change at all.
dcmissle said:
Ridiculous that he was previously suspended for 2 games for his 5th violation but got it down to 1 game on appeal. This should have been a minimum 4 games with the next one an 8 gamer followed by a season.
The NFL can't be serious about concussions if they are going to continue to let him off the hook for his multiple head shots. Easily my least favorite Pat currently in the NFL, quite possibly my least favorite Pat of all time.
It was a nothing hit, if it was another player it wouldn't be a suspension.Kliq said:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000383582/article/redskins-brandon-meriweather-suspended-two-games
He leads with the shoulder and Smith ducks in and his helmet catches the facemask. That wasn't anything inherently dangerous about Merriweather's approach there, he just got unlucky to even make the contact. We notice (and so does the league) guys who have made dangerous targeting style hits before, but this wasn't that, he came in mid-chest height with the shoulder.
Cellar-Door said:
Don't know what video you were watching, to me it looks pretty clear that Merriweather lead with his helmet (thus earning the penalty) and not his shoulder pad. Completely against the rules and if anyone should know that, it is Merriweather.
Merriwrather is certainly the worse at this and generally an idiot about this stuff but I agree, this is not the type of hit he should be suspended for. He didn't lead with his head, he didn't project himself like a weapon. This type of hit will never not be part of football.
The obvious head shots and guys launching themselves helmet first need to go and the nfl has made great strides in eliminating those. But what else was merry weather supposed to do here? Slow down? Hit him with his chest? Dive at his knees? He went in to make a hard hit with his shoulder, Smith is moving fast, the angles changes and there was some head contact To me this one falls into the unfortunate category and not the deliberate category.
I just don't see how that situation could have proceeded differently or what other reasonable options were available to merriweather
The obvious head shots and guys launching themselves helmet first need to go and the nfl has made great strides in eliminating those. But what else was merry weather supposed to do here? Slow down? Hit him with his chest? Dive at his knees? He went in to make a hard hit with his shoulder, Smith is moving fast, the angles changes and there was some head contact To me this one falls into the unfortunate category and not the deliberate category.
I just don't see how that situation could have proceeded differently or what other reasonable options were available to merriweather
I watched the hit in slow motion and it appeared to me that Merriweather led with his head and was a preventable tackle. I agree that some hits occasionally deemed reprehensible are unpreventable (like Welker getting hit recently) but I honestly thought that Merriweather led with his head and not his shoulder, but maybe I'm wrong if the majority is against me.
My theory is that if Merriweather didn't try and cement his reputation as a "big hitter" everyone would realize he just isn't a very good player.
My theory is that if Merriweather didn't try and cement his reputation as a "big hitter" everyone would realize he just isn't a very good player.
If you pause it a second before impact you can clearly see BMW lowering his head and leading with the crown of helmet not shoulder. He comes in head down so he has no idea what he is hitting since all he can see is the ground. Not his worst hit but the bar for him is extremely low. He simply has to stop lowering his head and tackling with the crown of his helmet but sadly I don't think he will ever change at this point.
Buffalo releases Thad Lewis. I thought he played well last year and somewhat surprised that he is cut.
He would be a decent emergency option if a team needs one.
Matt Miller @NFLDraftScout agrees:
He would be a decent emergency option if a team needs one.
Matt Miller @NFLDraftScout agrees:
I officiated for about 10 years at the high school level. One if the penaltieswe were diligent about enforcing was any play where leading with the head was involved. Spearing is the common one - or a personal foul. I recall several coaches tearing into their own defensive players after a call - explaining that type of play was stupid and endangering both them and the other guy. The NFL is trying to manage these hits/tackles with their enforcement of the rules, but it's 100 MPH at that level - not easy to see.
BMW does have a rep - and that doesn't help (late flags), and he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer either. He should be concerned about personal injury, but isn't for the obvious reason.
BMW does have a rep - and that doesn't help (late flags), and he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer either. He should be concerned about personal injury, but isn't for the obvious reason.
gryoung said:
The reason children were taught not to lead with the crown of their helmet always had more to do with safety for the tackler, not safety for the player being tackled. It's how kids break their fucking necks, and is the primary cause of stingers.
I'm pretty serious when I say that I wish BMW suffers a serious spinal injury on the next one of these. You don't ever want to see someone hurt, but when someone has essentially made statements that it's not his fucking problem? Fuck him. He's a piece of shit.
He has been slapped on the wrist 6 times, and all 6 offenses could have lead to ruining careers or ruining lives. He got away with it countless other times before concussions were a focus for the league. He needs to fucking go.
Just for effect:
Picture 1: BMW has his head up and is completely aware of the play. He could lead with his shoulder, stick the receiver in the gut, or make any other clean football play. What does he decide to do?
Picture 2: Lower his fucking head on a defenseless Torrey Smith. Smith was still in the process of trying to bring the ball in. His hands were by his knees as he was bobbling the ball. In the span of picture one to picture two, BMW has: assessed the situation (head up), taken a full stride, and lowered his helmet on a defenseless WR.
Picture 3: Impact. A helmet to helmet collision on a defenseless wide receiver. Who would have thunk it?
In conclusion, fuck Brandon Merriweather. He is the epitome of a head hunter and there has never been a place for cowards like that on a football field. He could have just as easily made a bone jarring hit that doesn't lead to Smith eating through a straw when hes 50. Merriweather opts to be a dirty fucking punk. Fuck him.
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The Philadelphia Eagles just released Josh Andrews, C/G from #OregonState. This guy isn't going to be unemployed for long.
The Philadelphia Eagles just released Josh Andrews, C/G from #OregonState. This guy isn't going to be unemployed for long.
I just saw a tweet from the Rams beat writer that they are releasing Garrett Gilbert. That leaves only Shaun Hill and Austin Davis at QB, so there may be a move in the works to pick up another quarterback.
Notable cuts: (from SI.com)
- Issac Sopoaga has been cut by the Cardinals.
- Pat Angerer cut by the Falcons
- Brian Moorman cut by the Bills
- Nate Burleson can go get a pizza and crash his car at will, as he has been cut by the Browns
- (LT.) Eric Kettani cut by the Jags
- Brad Smelley has been told he stinks by the Rams
- Terrelle Pryor has been cut by the Seahawks
- Issac Sopoaga has been cut by the Cardinals.
- Pat Angerer cut by the Falcons
- Brian Moorman cut by the Bills
- Nate Burleson can go get a pizza and crash his car at will, as he has been cut by the Browns
- (LT.) Eric Kettani cut by the Jags
- Brad Smelley has been told he stinks by the Rams
- Terrelle Pryor has been cut by the Seahawks