Andrew Luck.Has a consensus Number 1 overall pick ever not declared?
Eh, they still get Daniels or Harrison, most likely.
Andrew Luck.Has a consensus Number 1 overall pick ever not declared?
Eh, they still get Daniels or Harrison, most likely.
Young athletes are really in social media misformation era now.Agreed. I want nothing to do with him or his father but it’s really screw up the Pats options if he doesn’t go 1 or 2
Williams hasn’t used his funds only to enrich himself. Before taking a snap at USC, he launched a charity, the Caleb Cares Foundation, to combat bullying and address mental health. He paid for his offensive linemen to travel to New York for the Heisman Trophy ceremony. And while making a homecoming visit to Washington in May, he launched an East Coast branch of his charity and created a scholarship at his high school alma mater, Gonzaga College in the District, to pay for the tuition of a student from an underserved community. He also paid a visit to the homeless shelter near the school’s Capitol Hill campus, where he spoke with some of the unhoused and offered encouragement.
Wonder what would happen to Justin Fields in the scenario where Chicago decides to make a change. Do they attempt to convert him to RB/WR, does he allow/refuse the change, how much value does he have as a trade chip?Depends. It assumes CHI doesn't change QBs.
In that situation... future 1st, 3 and something else minor?
Could be worth it depending how you evaluate the QBs.
It's incredibly simple: they trade him.Wonder what would happen to Justin Fields in the scenario where Chicago decides to make a change. Do they attempt to convert him to RB/WR, does he allow/refuse the change, how much value does he have as a trade chip?
Reports are that Fields will probably fetch around a 2nd or 3rd round pick.how much value does he have as a trade chip?
Fields has shown enough that there's no way he'd entertain that.Wonder what would happen to Justin Fields in the scenario where Chicago decides to make a change. Do they attempt to convert him to RB/WR, does he allow/refuse the change, how much value does he have as a trade chip?
I don’t know enough about his skill-set (or other team’s opinion of him) to know if he has a definite future at QB. He’s quite the playmaker and it feels reductionist to say his future is a better version of Michael Robinson (not to discount Robinson’s athleticism)
That’s my thoughtFields has shown enough that there's no way he'd entertain that.
That’s pretty good value for both sides (though a high-2nd or low-3rd changes the equation)Reports are that Fields will probably fetch around a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
How much does the support system around him matter (in terms of coaching)? That’s the one issue I would have trading for him. Obviously if he’s mostly a finished product it matters much less. I’m not a Pats fan, though I tend to root/appreciate/pay attention to them due to association with this board, and this board is all over the place with thought on QB-talent vs coaching re: Pats (though that could obviously change with some staffing changes)Grabbing Fields for a 2 and drafting Harrison seems like a great path forward.
Could be, but you have to pay Fields.Grabbing Fields for a 2 and drafting Harrison seems like a great path forward.
Given that I’d rather just roll the dice on QB / WR at picks 3 and 35Could be, but you have to pay Fields.
Wouldn’t that money have been earmarked for Mac though?Could be, but you have to pay Fields.
Yeah, I wouldn't HATE it, but rather go young. Plus the decision might be made for them during free agency. If the Pats get a FA WR or 2, then maybe MHJ isn't as needed.Given that I’d rather just roll the dice on QB / WR at picks 3 and 35
Maybe, but maybe not after the last 2 seasons. Resetting the QB pay allows money to go elsewhere.Wouldn’t that money have been earmarked for Mac though?
I don't love it honestly, high 2nd is a lot of value for 2 years of Fields who is very much a work in progress, I'd do a 3rd and maybe something future too, that sets you up to take a WR or OT in the 1st and 2nd, and maybe trade down from 3 to a team that wants Daniels.Grabbing Fields for a 2 and drafting Harrison seems like a great path forward.
Given you’ll have to pay Fields 25M+ a year moving forward and he’s shown nothing to demonstrate that’s a good idea, I don’t see how Fields for a 2 and Harrison is better than Maye/Daniels and a WR atop round 2 + a lot more money to spend for OT, WR, TE etcGrabbing Fields for a 2 and drafting Harrison seems like a great path forward.
This.Given you’ll have to pay Fields 25M+ a year moving forward and he’s shown nothing to demonstrate that’s a good idea, I don’t see how Fields for a 2 and Harrison is better than Maye/Daniels and a WR atop round 2 + a lot more money to spend for OT, WR, TE etc
Fields’ looming 5th year option and the need to lock him up to a new deal is a massive problem for any team trading for him.
Given you’ll have to pay Fields 25M+ a year moving forward and he’s shown nothing to demonstrate that’s a good idea, I don’t see how Fields for a 2 and Harrison is better than Maye/Daniels and a WR atop round 2 + a lot more money to spend for OT, WR, TE etc
Fields’ looming 5th year option and the need to lock him up to a new deal is a massive problem for any team trading for him.
I think so, but mostly because the acquiring team is gonna have to pay him without really having as much time as the Bears have, and if they are moving on...Thanks for all the comments on Fields. I find him intriguing, but it sounds the kind of move most teams try to avoid.
If I’m Chicago, I’d entertain trading down to 3 or somewhere within the top 8 if you can get a #1 next year and a haulI think so, but mostly because the acquiring team is gonna have to pay him without really having as much time as the Bears have, and if they are moving on...
That said, I think the Bears should hold him, draft MHJ and Alt and roll.
DJ Moore had a great year with Fields.If I’m Chicago, I’d entertain trading down to 3 or somewhere within the top 8 if you can get a #1 next year and a haul
Odunze (or Harrison at 3) + Fashanu/Alt + a top pick next year as a hedge against Fields seems like the best of all worlds
As good as Harrison is and projects to be, he’s going to be wasted without a good QB
Kmet had a decent year too.DJ Moore had a great year with Fields.
Hard disagree on this because of the 5th year optionI'll be surprised if Fields gets anything more than a 4th that may become a 3rd based on certain playing time criteria, etc. He's more valuable to the Bears, having learned and grown comfortable in their system, than he is to other teams.
Moore had a great statistical year, yes. Similar to his 2019 and 2021 years. And the Bears passing offense was still horrendous.DJ Moore had a great year with Fields.
I'm as big of an MHJ guy as there is, but this seems like someone trying to zig while everyone is zagging. If Daniels is available at 3, it would be shocking at this point for the Pats to take anyone else.The Athletic’s Dane Brugler has a new mock this morning with the Pats taking MHJ at 3 and Daniels falling to ATL at 8. In his rankings he hasn’t been a big Daniels guy so I wonder if that is impacting his mock. Daniels stock is up since Dane updated his rankings.
He has us taking Bo Nix in the 2nd.
I'll be disappointed if we come out of this draft with Nix as the future at QB. We don't need another physically limited prospect (even if he's less so than Mac and Zappe). Either grab who's there at #3 or trade up to get the preferred guy. I would even prefer JJ over Nix.The Athletic’s Dane Brugler has a new mock this morning with the Pats taking MHJ at 3 and Daniels falling to ATL at 8. In his rankings he hasn’t been a big Daniels guy so I wonder if that is impacting his mock. Daniels stock is up since Dane updated his rankings.
He has us taking Bo Nix in the 2nd.
Looking at the mock draft database linked below Daniels is the favorite but there are plenty that have us picking MHJ. The below doesn’t include the latest Athletic mock.I'm as big of an MHJ guy as there is, but this seems like someone trying to zig while everyone is zagging. If Daniels is available at 3, it would be shocking at this point for the Pats to take anyone else.
Right. If he's not available at 3, I'll gladly take Maye.I'm as big of an MHJ guy as there is, but this seems like someone trying to zig while everyone is zagging. If Daniels is available at 3, it would be shocking at this point for the Pats to take anyone else.
DJ Moore has had pretty great years with Kyle Allen, Teddy Bridgewater, Sam Darnold and Fields.DJ Moore had a great year with Fields.
I'm not sure about Nix, as I want to go QB at #3, but he's considered pretty athletic from everything I've read about him. What makes you say he's "physically limited"?I'll be disappointed if we come out of this draft with Nix as the future at QB. We don't need another physically limited prospect (even if he's less so than Mac and Zappe). Either grab who's there at #3 or trade up to get the preferred guy. I would even prefer JJ over Nix.
Same thoughts. I’m glad I’m not making the decision.I flip-flop on this all of the time. QB is so important and if you're at #3 and need a QB, you should really grab one at #3.
However, MHJ is the surest bet at the top of the draft. Grabbing Nix at #35 to go with him would not be the worst plan.
yeah, Nix is a good athlete. I wouldn't want him because I think he is not a good downfield processor, and he undermines his arm strength by falling away from pressure and bad footwork, and he's 5 years into that.I'm not sure about Nix, as I want to go QB at #3, but he's considered pretty athletic from everything I've read about him. What makes you say he's "physically limited"?
A couple of write-ups:
--Nix's combination of athleticism and arm talent provides a solid foundation for NFL offenses to craft schemes around his strengths.
--Very good athlete. Explosive short-area movement; shows good speed in the open field.
--Standout athlete with a thick frame, boasting plus speed and agility considering his weight.
problem is you’re relying on Nix to be there and he’s nowhere near the talent (as a prospect) as the top guys.I flip-flop on this all of the time. QB is so important and if you're at #3 and need a QB, you should really grab one at #3.
However, MHJ is the surest bet at the top of the draft. Grabbing Nix at #35 to go with him would not be the worst plan.
Id want Wilson over Fields for a variety of reasons - he’s a better player, will be cheaper (with the offsets from Denver) and wouldn’t cost anything to acquire.If the Pats are looking at FA QB's, I'd much rather wait for Russell Wilson vs. Fields, solely because Denver is going to paying Wilson.