If he shows up in the Patriots defense, I'm going to be convinced it's time for Bill and Matt to go.
Patriots claim Martellus Bennett
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He will saunter his widebody downfield 6 yards, turn around, catch the football, fall forward and move the sticks. He will do this over and over. A modern-day Chief for our Cuckoo’s Nest.
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet2m2 minutes ago
Just reported on @gmfb: The #Packers waived TE Martellus Bennett because of a torn rotator cuff, per sources. He may try to play through it, but if he cannot, the #Patriots could put him on Injured Reserve. No risk for them.
Just reported on @gmfb: The #Packers waived TE Martellus Bennett because of a torn rotator cuff, per sources. He may try to play through it, but if he cannot, the #Patriots could put him on Injured Reserve. No risk for them.
How the hell did he pass a physical? I’m assuming he’s had it all season, given the way he was waived.
Injury maybe a contributing factor to his catch rate dropping from 75% to 63% this year, and his Yards / Target also significantly dropping. If your shoulder hurts, how hard is it to get your hands up for quick throws?
How was Marty used in GB this year? I.e, what kinds of routes?
Would putting him IR at this point in the season render him ineligible for the playoffs? Is there some feasible way to see if he can spend the rest of the regular season trying to recover, rehab, and be in better shape for the playoffs, without causing roster management issues?
Well, he's ON the roster. So absent other injuries they think they can carry him.
Cannot put on IR now and get him back for postseason.
Practice is in about an hour. We'll see who's there.
I imagine they're flying out later today or tomorrow morning.
Thanks. Not as versed on the new IR rules. Several weeks on the inactive list, with eye towards playoff readiness seems to be a realistic course of action if these reports about his shoulder are fully accurate. Unless rest and recovery don't really apply to those injuries. And it's simply a pain management/tolerance issue until he gets them surgically corrected.
I’m pretty sure if Green Bay gets the money back, there is no cap hit at all for that amount. It’s as if the transaction never occurred.
From Miguel on Twitter :
Bennett is due $13M in 2018 and in 2019 but none of it is guaranteed. As @TexansCap pointed out yesterday if the Packers file a grievance and win the Pats will get the credit on the cap. Grandmaster chess move by Pats.
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Is he referring to the recouped signing bonus?
Bennett is due $13M in 2018 and in 2019 but none of it is guaranteed. As @TexansCap pointed out yesterday if the Packers file a grievance and win the Pats will get the credit on the cap. Grandmaster chess move by Pats.
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Is he referring to the recouped signing bonus?
Some good insight from Green Bay on everything that led up to this:
On the "undisclosed injury" aspect of this:
It goes on to talk a bit about the contributions he did make to the team:
http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2017/11/08/silverstein-martellus-bennett-packers-bad-fit-start/844382001/
passed physical and practicing today
Martellus Bennett, who arrived in NE with a torn rotator cuff, passed his physical and was at practice. He didn’t practice for 2 weeks in GB
Martellus Bennett, who arrived in NE with a torn rotator cuff, passed his physical and was at practice. He didn’t practice for 2 weeks in GB
Brady let him sleep in his compression pj's last night.
There are degrees of damage for a rotator cuff, right? This could be a minor tear that is uncomfortable to play with. Once Rodgers went down in GB it wasn't worth playing with. Now on the Pats he can play through it. You have to assume the Pats talked with Bennett's agent when he hit waivers to get the full scoop.
Aaron Nagler @AaronNagler 23m23 minutes ago
Aaron Nagler Retweeted Mark Daniels
"The last medical conversation I was involved with in regards to Marty, they were talking about scheduling surgery." McCarthy this morning.
Aaron Nagler Retweeted Mark Daniels
"The last medical conversation I was involved with in regards to Marty, they were talking about scheduling surgery." McCarthy this morning.
If I’m reading this correctly, he may have the winning SB catch while the Pack win their grievance with him and we get a $4m cap credit in the process?
Those reactions would be fun.
Will let DRS chime in but yes there are degrees to rotator cuff injuries and a lot of times its rest and rehab. Glad to hear he is practicing.
Those reactions would be fun.
Will let DRS chime in but yes there are degrees to rotator cuff injuries and a lot of times its rest and rehab. Glad to hear he is practicing.
The fact that so many seemed convinced that the Pats are somehow "cheating" again make this already joyful signing 10x better.
Depending on the severity of the tear in terms of weakness/pain, definitely something he could (medically) play through safely. I'll try to get out a blog post tonight/tomorrow
What are the odds of him hurting his shoulder even more and having this be a lingering issue the rest of his life? Just let the man get surgery and retire and move on to the relative safety of the broadcast booth (or anything not football-related).
So is your view on concussions "meh", too, since no one is forcing them to play? Sometimes it's best to take the choice out of the hands of someone with a overactive competitive drive. I just don't see how any of the upside in this transaction would be on Bennett's side.
There are various levels of having a torn rotator cuff. I had one for a decade. In fact, and DRS can correct me if I'm wrong, but torn rotator cuff isn't really a specific diagnosis, as the rotator cuff refers to a bunch of things in the shoulder. Like I had a tear in my supraspinitis.
Mike ReissVerified account @MikeReiss 2m2 minutes ago
It would be a quick turnaround, and no decision made at this point, but not out of the realm of possibility Martellus Bennett plays Sunday night. He is planning to travel to Denver.
It would be a quick turnaround, and no decision made at this point, but not out of the realm of possibility Martellus Bennett plays Sunday night. He is planning to travel to Denver.
Good point. Not sure if @profootballdoc is popular amongst you all, I see that you have your SOS version of him here, but he has a pretty good write up on it. Doesn't get too technical, but there are definitely varying degrees of a "torn" rotator cuff. Basically, his thought is that it comes down to Marty's pain tolerance more than functionality.
This article makes things even weirder: https://sports.yahoo.com/martellus-bennett-wanted-shoulder-surgery-203304936.html
So, according to him, he wanted surgery and the Packers made him play through it, but then waived him because he was refusing to play without first having surgery, and now that he's on the Patriots he suddenly doesn't want surgery anymore?
Bennett signed with Green Bay the Super Bowl Contender in order to catch passes thrown by the only QB whose name can be uttered in the same sentence as Tom Brady.
One Rodgers went down, the Packers turned into one of the worst team in the league. Bennett appears to have had no interest in playing hurt so the Pack can go 7-9 instead of 6-10.
One Rodgers went down, the Packers turned into one of the worst team in the league. Bennett appears to have had no interest in playing hurt so the Pack can go 7-9 instead of 6-10.
Good for him. The NFL will always screw a player to save a dime. Good for us, if he decided to manage the injury and help the Pats down the stretch.
Trying to wrap my head around this with no sleep and here’s what I’ve got:
1) our black unicorn is one unique creature - he’s a bit unpredictable and definitely marches to the beat of his own drum.
2) he is clearly upset about how the Packers handled the situation
3) last year he mentioned that he wanted to make some money on this contract
So you have a moody guy who is having a difficult year production and health wise. He mentions frustration and retirement. He’s cut and now thinks about money and he also has a new stimulus - his anger over the situation. And he could easily go somewhere else with it.
There are degrees of seriously considering something. You can toy around with an idea a lot but know deep down it’s not the right option. I’m no armchair psychologist but the point is here the information is so imperfect that until we have the 2017 Patriots SB special and watch that speculation over it is amusing but not that useful. Nothing wrong with amusing. As long as we know it is just speculation.
It would be nice to have another receiving option this weekend and going forward with the WR depth at 3 + Gronk.
1) our black unicorn is one unique creature - he’s a bit unpredictable and definitely marches to the beat of his own drum.
2) he is clearly upset about how the Packers handled the situation
3) last year he mentioned that he wanted to make some money on this contract
So you have a moody guy who is having a difficult year production and health wise. He mentions frustration and retirement. He’s cut and now thinks about money and he also has a new stimulus - his anger over the situation. And he could easily go somewhere else with it.
There are degrees of seriously considering something. You can toy around with an idea a lot but know deep down it’s not the right option. I’m no armchair psychologist but the point is here the information is so imperfect that until we have the 2017 Patriots SB special and watch that speculation over it is amusing but not that useful. Nothing wrong with amusing. As long as we know it is just speculation.
It would be nice to have another receiving option this weekend and going forward with the WR depth at 3 + Gronk.
The timeline lines up closely to the Rodgers injury. He says he had it examined after the Cowboys game, then spent “a fewdays contemplating” surgery or playing through it.
The Rodgers injury happened the week after the Cowboys game. Bennett vs. Green Bay reached a boiling point right around the time Rodgers went down.
The Rodgers injury happened the week after the Cowboys game. Bennett vs. Green Bay reached a boiling point right around the time Rodgers went down.
Remember when the Pats got Blount to walk off the field in Pittsburgh? And Pittsburgh cut him and he signed with New England? And then he gained more yards in 5 games with the Pats than he did in 11 with the Steelers? And then he gained 148 yards in the AFCCG and the Steelers were at home because their leading rusher in their playoff game was Ben Roethlisberger with 16 yards? And then the Patriots won the Super Bowl?
I mean, it's a classic move.
Edit: Pedro said he had a torn rotator cuff in September 2001 and did OK the next couple of years.
If he can manage the pain and still be functional on the field, he’s not going to do any irreparable damage to his shoulder that couldn’t be fixed by off-season surgery
