Patriots in Vegas - Week 6, October 15, 2023

Reverse Curve · Sep 11, 2023

My wife and I flew out to LV for the Pats-Raiders last December, and it was phenomenal (last few minutes of the game excluded). We (and a couple of friends) were all super impressed with Allegiant Stadium, and were happy to see a fairly high volume of fans in Pats gear, inside and outside the stadium. Seats were great - a bit elevated, but close to the 50, and great views of the entire field. We were in Sec 413 - Row 4 - Seats 1-4.

Fast forward a few months....Several weeks before the '23-24 NFL schedule came out, we bought tickets to see U2 at the Sphere in Vegas for Sat - Oct 14, which coincides nicely with a certain football team visiting the area. We're going to do our level best to score a couple of tickets for Sunday the 15th...!

Reverse Curve · Oct 7, 2023

Anytime. I grabbed two seats at Allegiant, same row as last year (opposite end) for around $350 each (including fees). Our monetary commitment to U2 tix is around $400 a piece, so I can live with that. Swing by and I'll buy you and Mrs. HRB a beer or whatever you're into! I'll be in a Slater 18 jersey, and Denise in McCourty 32.

Enjoy the Stratosphere. Great story, and I'd say you have a lotta game left...

JM3 · Oct 7, 2023

My dad's in town from Boston next weekend & I'd probably take him... except it's my wife's dad's memorial at the same time.

Enjoy the game!

j44thor · Oct 12, 2023

HomeRunBaker said:
We are in 313, Row 11, 9-10. Same tix that were 350 a week ago I nabbed for 250 apiece...I'll take the win even though I should probably have waited another couple days. I'll have my Brady jersey on bc I've invested enough in this years version. I'll try and find you. Ended up getting tix to the 7pm Sphere Experience before taking the red eye back.

Sorry to hear that. Enjoy the Dad time anyway.

Would love to hear what you think about the Sphere. Was just in Vegas last month before it opened but it looks very cool from the outside, want to see if we should consider it for our annual trip next year.

j44thor · Oct 12, 2023

Haha, yeah they can do some impressive things with the Sphere.

heavyde050 · Oct 12, 2023

I will be flying into Vegas on 10/15, so I don't think I will be able to make the game (this was re-scheduled trip so I didn't even check the NFL schedule). Maybe next time. I will be in Vegas for most of the week, which is a nice consolation.

Arroyoyo · Oct 12, 2023

Just thought this would be a nice place to mention that flights to Europe are weaving in and out of “record low” territory and in many gorgeous cities (Berlin, Prague, Vienna, Krakow, Budapest) a decent hotel can be had for $60-$120/night.

I’ve seen round trip tickets from Boston and New York to some of these cities for under $500.

Why mention that?

With the Patriots being an embarrassment, I thought I’d throw out a “this could be a good year to treat your wife/husband” suggestion to those spending a premium to travel domestically to see this team score 3 points.

If you’ve never experienced one, Christmas markets in Europe sure are beautiful.

Cellar-Door · Oct 13, 2023

https://www.patriots.com/news/week-6-injury-report-patriots-at-raiders

Injury report

2 WRs out... Douglas and Juju, Thornton Questionable
3 OL out... Strange and Reiff, plus Wheatley, then another 2 Brown and Onwenwu questionable, so Andrews and the scrub tackles the only full go players on the line.

brandonchristensen · Oct 13, 2023

Over under on points scored in this one?

tims4wins · Oct 13, 2023

41.5 per Vegas. Or are you asking specifically about the Pats? It's an under 20 for me, dawg.

IdiotKicker · Oct 13, 2023

tims4wins said:
41.5 per Vegas. Or are you asking specifically about the Pats? It's an under 20 for me, dawg.

I’ll set the Pats O/U at 2.5.

tims4wins · Oct 13, 2023

IdiotKicker said:
I’ll set the Pats O/U at 2.5.

I think they get to 13.

streeter88 · Oct 13, 2023

Pats just can’t catch a break on the injury front - especially the OL. They’d be lucky to get to double digits.
Honest question - what will there be more of, sacks and interceptions (of Mac and co) or points scored (by the Patriots)?

Pandemonium67 · Oct 13, 2023

All these OLs out, then Miami and Buffalo upcoming?
We could be looking at 1-7.

koufax32 · Oct 14, 2023

Pandemonium67 said:
All these OLs out, then Miami and Buffalo upcoming?
We could be looking at 1-7.

Hope so. Shooting for ‘92 all over again

That sent me down a rabbit hole of looking at every first rounder they’ve had. 93-96 were just awesome years where T. Glenn was the “worst” of them. The bad? Before this year with Gonzo, NE hadn’t had a good 1st round pick since 2012. Yeesh

Eddie Jurak · Oct 14, 2023

Pats have scored 55 points through 5 games, worst in the whole league. Only 53 by the offense. Even the 2 teams who have only played 4 games have scored more points. The offense has also allowed 4 TD for 29 points. ON net the offense is a +24 through 5 games, absolutely pathetic. They have to be in the running for one of the worsdt offenses ever, don't they?

Pats defense has not been quite as bad. Pats are 8th in the league in points allowed at 131, but, again, 29 of those points came on offense. 102 points allowed through 5 games is sort of middle of the pack.

Of course, their defense has not forced turnovers, only 2 so far, one each in weeks 1 and 2. While the offense has been a turnover machine, turning it over 10 times.

Yuck.

Jinhocho · Oct 14, 2023

Eddie Jurak said:
Pats have scored 55 points through 5 games, worst in the whole league. Only 53 by the offense. Even the 2 teams who have only played 4 games have scored more points. The offense has also allowed 4 TD for 29 points. ON net the offense is a +24 through 5 games, absolutely pathetic. They have to be in the running for one of the worsdt offenses ever, don't they?

Pats defense has not been quite as bad. Pats are 8th in the league in points allowed at 131, but, again, 29 of those points came on offense. 102 points allowed through 5 games is sort of middle of the pack.

Of course, their defense has not forced turnovers, only 2 so far, one each in weeks 1 and 2. While the offense has been a turnover machine, turning it over 10 times.

Yuck.

Defense has also been on the field a ton especially during the blowouts.

Eddie Jurak · Oct 14, 2023

Jinhocho said:
Defense has also been on the field a ton especially during the blowouts.

That can cut different ways. The Pats have made a habit of falling behind big early. That's only partly on the offense and can't necessarily be blamed on being left on the field. (Of course, losing Judon and CG - arguably the 2 most important defensive players - is a big part of that.)

Jinhocho · Oct 14, 2023

Eddie Jurak said:
That can cut different ways. The Pats have made a habit of falling behind big early. That's only partly on the offense and can't necessarily be blamed on being left on the field. (Of course, losing Judon and CG - arguably the 2 most important defensive players - is a big part of that.)

Before judon and Gonzalez were injured they were also ravaged by injuries in the secondary aka the Joneses. Now we are getting some of the Joneses back, but I suspect it will be more of a bend but don't break defense as in the past when they were dinged up or lower on talent. But an offense that turns the ball over so much, goes three and out so much, and puts points on the board for the other team is one that puts a hell of a lot of stress on any defense.

sezwho · Oct 14, 2023

streeter88 said:
Pats just can’t catch a break on the injury front - especially the OL. They’d be lucky to get to double digits.
Honest question - what will there be more of, sacks and interceptions (of Mac and co) or points scored (by the Patriots)?

It’s unbelievable what a tire fire this is, burning out of control for weeks into months. I thought this was kind of a joke like take the points right? Then I started thinking that if even Trent Brown is questionable, which I think means 75% chance not to start, when they’re both likely to end up in high single digits. Stay away : )

Game thready - but maybe the line is practicing on the field where all those old balls from seasons past are buried. Last year was just too many and now and it’s like a pet Cemetery thing.

Cellar-Door · Oct 14, 2023

Promoted Reagor and activated Tyquan, so the WRs got a lot of faster... Not necessarily better, but faster

Eddie Jurak · Oct 14, 2023

View: https://twitter.com/ezlazar/status/1713297656158748679?s=20

Evan Lazar: #Patriots roster moves: signed QB/WR Malik Cunningham to the 53, activated WR Tyquan Thornton, elevated WR Jalen Reagor and DL Jeremiah Pharms. Judon (elbow) and Wheatley (knee) to IR. More on Cunningham and Thornton's roles. Malik at QB, WR, or both?

Cunningham, Reagor, and Thornton certainly adds some speed.

Justthetippett · Oct 14, 2023

I don't have a lot of optimism for this week, but at least there is some smoke that they'll try some different things. I think a mobile QB might be the only way to deal with their offensive line issues. And some more speed at WR...why not. They need to throw as many darts as possible. I'm a little disappointed Boutte isn't showing something in practice to deserve a shot too.

streeter88 · Oct 14, 2023

sezwho said:
Game thready - but maybe the line is practicing on the field where all those old balls from seasons past are buried. Last year was just too many and now and it’s like a pet Cemetery thing.

I’ve been wondering something similar… What is it with New England teams and inability to stay healthy these past 2 years? Red Sox pitching, Patriots OL…. have we angered the gods or something?

E5 Yaz · Oct 14, 2023

Does Boutte permanently have one foot in the doghouse?

DanoooME · Oct 15, 2023

sezwho said:
Then I started thinking that if even Trent Brown is questionable, which I think means 75% chance not to start, when they’re both likely to end up in high single digits. Stay away : )

Questionable is a 50-50 chance to play.
Doubtful is a 25-75 chance to play.

Eddie Jurak · Oct 15, 2023

E5 Yaz said:
Does Boutte permanently have one foot in the doghouse?

He doesn't really add speed or ability to get separation, which the others might. He's a Davante Parker type and we don't necessarily need another one of those.

Dr. Gonzo · Oct 15, 2023

Eddie Jurak said:
He doesn't really add speed or ability to get separation, which the others might. He's a Davante Parker type and we don't necessarily need another one of those.

He is if his ankle is an issue long term. Before that injury, he flashed speed and the ability to separate.

https://atozsports.com/new-england/patriots-rookie-may-have-more-juice-than-advertised/

Despite the poor combine testing, Boutte looked more explosive on tape. In a post-draft interview, Boutte did mention that he was dealing with a broken bone in his ankle during the combine. I dug deeper into his track background and status as a first-round talent to see what kind of athlete the Patriots are getting.

Boutte was one of the youngest prospects in the 2023 NFL Draft at just 20 years old. Boutte just turned 21 on May 7th. Only a few years removed, it was rumored that in high-school Boutte ran a 4.37 40-yard dash. Knowing this, I went to the tape to see if I could find evidence to show a more explosive playmaker than his combine testing numbers would suggest.

Jinhocho · Oct 15, 2023

https://www.nfl.com/news/patriots-qb-mac-jones-expected-to-be-on-short-leash-sunday-vs-raiders

Short leash for mac today...

sezwho · Oct 15, 2023

DanoooME said:
Questionable is a 50-50 chance to play.
Doubtful is a 25-75 chance to play.

Thanks that’s a bit more comforting.

Jinhocho said:
https://www.nfl.com/news/patriots-qb-mac-jones-expected-to-be-on-short-leash-sunday-vs-raiders

Short leash for mac today...

I can easily imagine any one of four QBs finishing today’s game. Let’s hope it’s Mac with a W….unless grier not active, then 3.

Eddie Jurak · Oct 15, 2023

View: https://twitter.com/MikeGiardi/status/1713624538699735396?s=20

Mike Giardi: Let's get weird. Cunningham is the #2 QB. Zappe can only play if both Mac and Malik are hurt.

Pats inactives: Smith-Schuster, Strange, Douglas, Reiff (all of whom we knew were out); and Boutte, Zappe (3rd qb), and Grier.

This tells you Zappe sucks but is ahead of Grier.

Cellar-Door · Oct 15, 2023

Jinhocho said:
https://www.nfl.com/news/patriots-qb-mac-jones-expected-to-be-on-short-leash-sunday-vs-raiders

Short leash for mac today...

Impressively off for Rap.. Zappe above Grier, and no way the leash is short with Malik backing up and warming up doing WR and KR work instead of throwing

Eddie Jurak · Oct 15, 2023

Cellar-Door said:
Impressively off for Rap.. Zappe above Grier, and no way the leash is short with Malik backing up and warming up doing WR and KR work instead of throwing

Theory: Malik does not get a single snap at QB, Jones has a mediocre game but throws a pick 6 late.

Silverdude2167 · Oct 15, 2023

Eddie Jurak said:
Theory: Malik does not get a single snap at QB, Jones has a mediocre game but throws a pick 6 late.

Late, I see you are an optimist.

Eddie Jurak · Oct 15, 2023

Eddie Jurak said:
Theory: Malik does not get a single snap at QB, Jones has a mediocre game but throws a pick 6 late.

First half update: Malik had one snap at QB (handoff for 1 yard ham ). No throws to Malik, Thornton, or Reagor. Mac threw a “he should be benched-worthy” INT.

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