Pats FA Watch: LGBT Back on a 1-year Deal

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Actually this is what Reiss said:

10. Safety Tavon Wilson, whom the Patriots selected in the second round of the 2012 draft, will not re-sign with the team before the start of free agency on Wednesday, but the sides aren’t closing the door on a possible return depending on what unfolds on the market. The Patriots selected Stanford safety Jordan Richards in the second round in 2015, and also have starters Devin McCourty (2019) and Patrick Chung (2017), as well as No. 3 safety Duron Harmon (2016), under contract at the position. So Wilson will look around to see if there’s a better opportunity elsewhere.
I doubt Wilson will be back, but I also doubt he gets a single offer on the open market, so I think there is a chance he returns on a veteran's minimum contract.
 

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What about CJ Anderson? He received a low-round tender from the Broncos which would pay him a measly $1.6 million for 2016. They can match any deal he gets in free agency but he would be a great fit with Lewis in the backfield. At the very least, you've got to drive up the price for Denver.
 

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If you are of the school of thought that this team's deep ball woes are as much personnel as they are Brady, would Jermaine Kearse interest anyone else? That it's a thin year for free agent WR's might make any of them cost prohibitive, but he doesn't strike me as a guy that is going to get a huge deal.
 

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James Develin and the Patriots are closing in on a contract extension that could be done by Wednesday, per source.
And down goes (Glenn) Gronkowski.

Love C.J. Anderson on the Pats. Would a set of decent cost-per-production additions be:
  • RB: C.J. Anderson & LGBT on vet-min
  • TE: Dwayne Allen
  • WR: Boldin on a quest for the ring
  • OT: Mike Harris (Vikes only offered a 2-year, $3.5m deal. Can play both G and T)
I'd be pretty happy with that group.
 

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And down goes (Glenn) Gronkowski.

Love C.J. Anderson on the Pats. Would a set of decent cost-per-production additions be:
  • RB: C.J. Anderson & LGBT on vet-min
  • TE: Dwayne Allen
  • WR: Boldin on a quest for the ring
  • OT: Mike Harris (Vikes only offered a 2-year, $3.5m deal. Can play both G and T)
I'd be pretty happy with that group.
Because he needs a 2nd one? :p
Also, if the Patriots signed a contract with Anderson and the Broncos didn't match, would the Patriots would have to give up a 7th rounder (i.e. is that how the compensation for a undrafted player works, if they only offer him the lower tender?)
 

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What about CJ Anderson? He received a low-round tender from the Broncos which would pay him a measly $1.6 million for 2016. They can match any deal he gets in free agency but he would be a great fit with Lewis in the backfield. At the very least, you've got to drive up the price for Denver.
Not so sure. The Pats (or any team) could sign Anderson to a contract that fits within their structure that is not a problem for Denver to match. The contract that Emmanuel Sanders signed with the Pats was like that, if I recall correctly.
 

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Someone asked you about this but I didn't see your answer--how are you quantifying dumb throws when his INT rate is lower than earlier in his career?

Sorry - missed the question - and I'll try to find the stats.

Some of it is my opinion - more of his interceptions seem to be him forcing the ball to guys who aren't open in high leverage situations - whereas when he was younger it seemed to be more mistakes/misreads/etc. IE, now he's making bad decisions, previously he was making decisions based on bad information- it seems like a different part of the process.

The stats I was looking at showed that despite Brady having really low interception totals the last couple of years, his 'expected point cost' for interceptions was in the top (bottom?) half of the league - IE he was throwing ints in the worst possible times. He had 'cost' totals similar to guys who were throwing twice as many ints. Some of this is probably random variation, but some of it may not be.

Part of this is the pick-6s, which may, again, be random - but he has thrown 12 in his (14-years-starting) career - but 4 in the last 3 years. (He threw 6 of the 12 from 2001-2005 - and 2 between 2006-2012).

From my observations - I think he's trying to make more things happen in high leverage situations. With the Patriots defense at the best it has been since probably 2004, there's less need for that.
 

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DrewDawg said:
Someone asked you about this but I didn't see your answer--how are you quantifying dumb throws when his INT rate is lower than earlier in his career?

Sorry - missed the question - and I'll try to find the stats.

Some of it is my opinion -

Part of this is the pick-6s, which may, again, be random -

From my observations -
So, only one thing remains to be answered:

How are you quantifying dumb throws when his INT rate is lower than earlier in his career?
 

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As said above, I'd really like to see the Patriots kick the tires on Eric Weddle. Right now, the safety depth is McCourty, Chung, Harmon and Richards with Ebner and King primarily on ST. Having Weddle in the fold would free up Richards to play with Chung in a more in-the-box role where he is better suited. DMC can be used anywhere and Harmon is better in deep coverage.
 

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As said above, I'd really like to see the Patriots kick the tires on Eric Weddle. Right now, the safety depth is McCourty, Chung, Harmon and Richards with Ebner and King primarily on ST. Having Weddle in the fold would free up Richards to play with Chung in a more in-the-box role where he is better suited. DMC can be used anywhere and Harmon is better in deep coverage.
Everything's money, of course; but I wonder whether a Weddle would see enough playing time to justify size of contract
 

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Everything's money, of course; but I wonder whether a Weddle would see enough playing time to justify size of contract
Wouldn't Weddle get starter-type snaps with the Patriots? With all of the time the Patriots spend in nickel and dime coverages I think he'd justify the size of the contract. Having Weddle here would afford the luxury of moving DMC around to wherever he is needed (similar to how Revis was used) from game to game. That way if DMC needed to play CB he could or he could roam the field and you would still have a solid FS in the back.

It'd be a luxury, but one I'd like.
 

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DrewDawg said:
Someone asked you about this but I didn't see your answer--how are you quantifying dumb throws when his INT rate is lower than earlier in his career?



So, only one thing remains to be answered:

How are you quantifying dumb throws when his INT rate is lower than earlier in his career?
I answered that question - its a matter of observation, watching tape, and weighing the expected point changes per interception. You can disagree with my opinion - and that's fine, but ignoring the fact that I gave it to you and repeating the same question over again is just being a troll.
 

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Everything's money, of course; but I wonder whether a Weddle would see enough playing time to justify size of contract
But I think (and I could be wrong) that the point is that Weddle seems to be willing to take less to go to a team that has a chance to win every year (he specifically pointed on the Patriots), so one would hope that the cost wouldn't be what a player of his caliber would come in at.
 

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But I think (and I could be wrong) that the point is that Weddle seems to be willing to take less to go to a team that has a chance to win every year (he specifically pointed on the Patriots), so one would hope that the cost wouldn't be what a player of his caliber would come in at.
Having Weddle on the team with DMC would be a dream scenario, but I didn't read that he'd be willing to sign for less. Hope I'm wrong though. My feeling is that he'll fit somewhere between DMC and Chung, but are there enough snaps for all three?
 

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Wouldn't Weddle get starter-type snaps with the Patriots? With all of the time the Patriots spend in nickel and dime coverages I think he'd justify the size of the contract. Having Weddle here would afford the luxury of moving DMC around to wherever he is needed (similar to how Revis was used) from game to game. That way if DMC needed to play CB he could or he could roam the field and you would still have a solid FS in the back.

It'd be a luxury, but one I'd like.
It would let them move around McCourty more, but I don't think they really need to move McCourty around more. Both he and Weddle (and, for that matter, Duron Harmon) are at their best as deep centerfielders, and you can only play one there at a time. In obvious passing situations last year they'd move McCourty into man coverage, but that's not a good option in their standard nickel package because McCourty's not bulky enough to play SS.

Arguably S is the position group least in need of a player of Weddle's caliber on the entire team. I'd rather they use the money almost anywhere else.
 

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Having Weddle on the team with DMC would be a dream scenario, but I didn't read that he'd be willing to sign for less. Hope I'm wrong though. My feeling is that he'll fit somewhere between DMC and Chung, but are there enough snaps for all three?
No, he didn't come out and say that, but when you put out a quote that says, "You know I only have a few years left, I've only played in one AFC title game, yet this other team plays in them all the time and man, it'd be awesome to get that chance", reading between the lines a bit it seems like he'd at least take the call.
 

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No, he didn't come out and say that, but when you put out a quote that says, "You know I only have a few years left, I've only played in one AFC title game, yet this other team plays in them all the time and man, it'd be awesome to get that chance", reading between the lines a bit it seems like he'd at least take the call.
Can't argue with that, DD (DrewDawg, not the avatar caption).

What's the word on Dwayne Allen? Last word was that he's expected to re-sign with the Colts.
 

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I answered that question - its a matter of observation, watching tape, and weighing the expected point changes per interception. You can disagree with my opinion - and that's fine, but ignoring the fact that I gave it to you and repeating the same question over again is just being a troll.
When you're asked to "quantify" what you are calling dumb throws, you need to be more specific than observation, the randomness of some pick-6s, and your own opinion. It's not being a troll to ask you to back up your claims with more than opinion.

Because, if that's all you're going by, it's meaningless anecdotal evidence
 

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Allen re-signs for 4/$29M for 91 career receptions.

Good for him, but holy shit are Grigson and Irsay completely clueless when it come to roster construction and salary management.
 

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Irsay is bad enough that I actually consider the possibility that he read coverage of how he would be a great add for Patriots and just told Grigson to 'get it done' kind of regardless of price.

Clownshow.
 

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Actually this is what Reiss said:



I doubt Wilson will be back, but I also doubt he gets a single offer on the open market, so I think there is a chance he returns on a veteran's minimum contract.
Yeah that seems fine he'd be coming back as a special team player with a very marginal role on defense and he seems fine in that role
 

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Allen re-signs for 4/$29M for 91 career receptions. Good for him, but holy shit are Grigson and Irsay completely clueless when it come to roster construction and salary management.
That's insane money for Allen, even with the cap. And what I mean by insane is that it's awesome.

P.S. And Gronk says
(For those on mobile: "If ya think about it that Option pick up basically equals pay cut the next 4 seasons... I don't work hard for those reasons. Haha")
 

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It's awesome til we need to renegotiate with Gronk and he says "If Allen is worth $29 million..."
 

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It's awesome til we need to renegotiate with Gronk and he says "If Allen is worth $29 million..."
Pretty well whatever number you can imagine following that will have some reasonable justification.
 

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Any interest from the board on trading for Ryan Mathews? Injury concerns for sure. Additinally, it sure seems like teams can pick up quality running backs through the draft or via free agency. With all that being said Mathews intrigues me.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/ryan-mathews/

Ryan Mathews signed a 3 year, $11,000,000 contract with the Philadelphia Eagles, including a $3,000,000 signing bonus, $5,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $3,666,667. In 2016, Mathews will earn a base salary of $3,000,000. Mathews has a cap hit of $4,000,000 while his dead money value is $3,000,000.
 

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Saints didn't tender Khiry Robinson and I love his running style. A dip in production last year and he broke his leg in November but I think the Pats kick the tires on him. He's a great buy-low candidate.

 
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Saints didn't tender Khiry Robinson and I love his running style. A dip in production last year and he broke his leg in November but I think the Pats kick the tires on him. He's a great buy-low candidate.
Was just coming here to post this. Could not agree more...he's also solid as a reciever/in pass pro. Would be a great fit, assuming he's healthy.
 

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I'd like to see the Pats make a run at Kelechi Osemele. It would take a hell of a contract to bring him into the fold but he's got the inside/outside versatility that Belichick loves in offensive lineman and would represent a huge upgrade in our run blocking. The only issue is that his agent might push for Left Tackle type money and his best position with the Patriots would be at guard. I'd offer a contract similar to Iupati's deal (5/40, $22.5 guaranteed) after freeing up cap space. The guy is worth it.
I was WAY off on this. Raiders are giving KO 5 years/$60 million. That's a fortune for an interior lineman.
 

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I was WAY off on this. Raiders are giving KO 5 years/$60 million. That's a fortune for an interior lineman.
Lot of supposition around the web that he is going to be the starter at tackle rather than guard. Apparently he played three games at tackle last season and showed enough to be signed as a tackle.

That's a crazypants level of money for a guard but not at all shocking for a tackle. And apparently the Raiders have to do some serious spending to get their average spending levels up to whatever average spending floor is called for in the CBA. So they're throwing some money around.
 

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Sanu rumor probably has a lot of merit since he played at Rutgers which just happens to be Belichicks favorite university. I'd still prefer Boldin. Strong smart receivers aren't a dime a dozen. Despite age he could probably put up a solid season with Brady.