In sure it's a day off. He has played the last 10 games I believe.I hope Benintendi has the stomach flu.
In sure it's a day off. He has played the last 10 games I believe.I hope Benintendi has the stomach flu.
What about the three years after that?Theres also the chance that they could take back Ryan Braun in a deal, making it easier to sacrifice their future LF. Im not a fan of the guy, but that would be a monster offensive team both now and next year.
Because in overpaying for Lucroy with Benintendi, the Sox could also acquire the LHRP they "need" or possibly even the long-term LF they would really really need after trading their heir apparent away.Why does anyone think the Red Sox are going to trade one of their key assets for a catcher? At worst, their catching group is serviceable. It's not a serious position of need, certainly not one DD will trade Benintendi for.
Because Mookie's athletic enough to convert to catcher.Reddick has a great arm, so would be a waste in left. Put him in right and move Mookie to left?
And then pitch the eighthBecause Mookie's athletic enough to convert to catcher.
Don't wish that luck on him. If he goes to the bullpen, he'll get hurt.And then pitch the eighth
Tom @Haudricourt 13m13 minutes agoBecause in overpaying for Lucroy with Benintendi, the Sox could also acquire the LHRP they "need" or possibly even the long-term LF they would really really need after trading their heir apparent away.
I'm assuming you mean Braun? Do we really need another Hanley Ramirez type contract? Braun is a terrible LF at this point and he'll be 33 and DH'ing in two years. He's the sort of guy that would clear waivers anyhow. Pass.Because in overpaying for Lucroy with Benintendi, the Sox could also acquire the LHRP they "need" or possibly even the long-term LF they would really really need after trading their heir apparent away.
I've always wondered about that phrasing. In essence, it means the teams aren't discussing it anymore. But if one team changes its mind, out can become back in in a momentKen Rosenthal on MLB just said Red Sox were out on Lucroy.
Heard on another site that Vazquez was pulled from PawSox game. Benintendi also out, White Sox scouts at all of our minor league games yesterday and they reportedly want a young catcher. Smoke?Ryan Hannable of WEEI says Benintendi's absence from the lineup is likely due to him playing 11 days in a row and it's a routine day off.
Heard on another site that Vazquez was pulled from PawSox game. Benintendi also out, White Sox scouts at all of our minor league games yesterday and they reportedly want a young catcher. Smoke?
Thanks for clarifying. That's what I get for listening to a non-SoSH poster.He wasn't pulled. He was never in the paw sox lineup
“@alexspeier: The same goes for Vazquez, who is sitting after he caught back-to-back Th-F. He hasn’t played 3 straight days since being optioned.”
Nats went in another direction. Not happening.Joel Sherman wrote about it a bit, he always has good Yankee sources:
"Jon Morosi of MLB.com tweeted Friday that outside executives “believe” the Nats would trade Giolito straight up for Miller. The Yankees have not heard that offer, nor would they make the deal if offered.
Giolito is No. 1 in some prospect rankings. However, two scouts not from the Yankees have raised concerns about the righty’s tenacity, saying his performance this year has not matched his reputation. The Yankees do like him, but have enough concerns that they would want other pieces to mitigate some fears they have or they would simply want a different combination of Washington prospects."
http://nypost.com/2016/07/29/yankees-wouldnt-trade-andrew-miller-for-nats-gem-lucas-giolito/
I'd rather the Sox go in the opposite direction and see if they can get anything useful for Hanigan.Why does anyone think the Red Sox are going to trade one of their key assets for a catcher? At worst, their catching group is serviceable. It's not a serious position of need, certainly not one DD will trade Benintendi for.
Moncada is the starting point for Sale. Back up the truck after that. This isn't a guy who has two months left on his contract. Top three pitcher in baseball signed to a ludicrously cheap contract.With prices as high as they are, Moncada is a fair ask especially factoring in Sale's contract. Face it, the farm would relocate to Chicago if Sale becomes a Red Sox.
Perfectly reasonable for the White Sox to say no also. There's no need to trade Sale on our end. Have fun with your 4.00+ ERAs in the playoffs. I don't see you guys beating Toronto or Texas.That is a perfectly reasonable ask as far as the White Sox go but it won't be happening. There is a chance, a slim one but a chance, that if the White Sox would accept a package around AB then it could happen.
Thanks. Enjoy watching them from the outside again.Perfectly reasonable for the White Sox to say no also. There's no need to trade Sale on our end. Have fun with your 4.00+ ERAs in the playoffs. I don't see you guys beating Toronto or Texas.
They'll always have April.Thanks. Enjoy watching them from the outside again.
I'm pretty sure that it was implied in my message that the White Sox might not accept that offer. If not you move on with what you have, maybe pick up a bullpen piece and see what happens.Perfectly reasonable for the White Sox to say no also. There's no need to trade Sale on our end. Have fun with your 4.00+ ERAs in the playoffs. I don't see you guys beating Toronto or Texas.
Perfectly reasonable for the White Sox to say no also. There's no need to trade Sale on our end. Have fun with your 4.00+ ERAs in the playoffs. I don't see you guys beating Toronto or Texas.
If you want to see playoff baseball, you can always head over to Wrigley. May even see our 4.00 ERA's at Wrigley in late October too.Perfectly reasonable for the White Sox to say no also. There's no need to trade Sale on our end. Have fun with your 4.00+ ERAs in the playoffs. I don't see you guys beating Toronto or Texas.
Are things really that slow over at Sons of Ron Karkovice?Perfectly reasonable for the White Sox to say no also. There's no need to trade Sale on our end. Have fun with your 4.00+ ERAs in the playoffs. I don't see you guys beating Toronto or Texas.
He played 24 straight games before the break, so thats not a givenIn sure it's a day off. He has played the last 10 games I believe.
Yes, and Rob Bradford predicted Pomeranz would be flipped last week on WEEI.Could they include Pomeranz in the trade for Sale?
I can't imagine anyone giving the Red Sox something useful for a washed up player like Hanigan (negative WAR).I'd rather the Sox go in the opposite direction and see if they can get anything useful for Hanigan.
If you're the White Sox, do you ask for Rodriguez or Pomeranz? I guess people will have different opinions on that, but I would ask for Rodriguez--younger, more team control, more electric stuff.Yes, and Rob Bradford predicted Pomeranz would be flipped last week on WEEI.
It was a joke. Because of this:Yes, and Rob Bradford predicted Pomeranz would be flipped last week on WEEI.
And probably would have ended up with nothing. How many times are you going to post the same thing?I do wonder if DD rushed into making the Pomeranz deal (he may have done the same when he traded for Kimbrel). If he waited a little longer, he could have offered Espinoza to the White Sox, along with other trade chips, for Sale.
How many times has he posted that we need a LF? Let's count and maybe we can figure out frequency and days left before deadline. Is it a rate stat or a counting stat?And probably would have ended up with nothing. How many times are you going to post the same thing?
It's all about being sabermetrically defensible.How many times has he posted that we need a LF? Let's count and maybe we can figure out frequency and days left before deadline. Is it a rate stat or a counting stat?
VOSP?It's all about being sabermetrically defensible.
Texas might not even make the playoffs. They are a complete mirage.Perfectly reasonable for the White Sox to say no also. There's no need to trade Sale on our end. Have fun with your 4.00+ ERAs in the playoffs. I don't see you guys beating Toronto or Texas.
DD knows the starting point for Sale is NES and/or Moncada. By all accounts, he's reluctant to trade them, so the secondary pieces (Espinoza, Margot, Devers, Rodriguez) are irrelevant. He doesn't want to trade them the top 2 guys.I can't imagine anyone giving the Red Sox something useful for a washed up player like Hanigan (negative WAR).
If you're the White Sox, do you ask for Rodriguez or Pomeranz? I guess people will have different opinions on that, but I would ask for Rodriguez--younger, more team control, more electric stuff.
I do wonder if DD rushed into making the Pomeranz deal (he may have done the same when he traded for Kimbrel). If he waited a little longer, he could have offered Espinoza to the White Sox, along with other trade chips, for Sale.
Does he? Do you know he knows that? Do I know you know he knows that? [Well, that's what I'm pointing out here.]DD knows the starting point for Sale is NES and/or Moncada. By all accounts, he's reluctant to trade them, so the secondary pieces (Espinoza, Margot, Devers, Rodriguez) are irrelevant. He doesn't want to trade them the top 2 guys.
Not making the Kimbrel/Pomeranz deals would not have impacted our ability to get Sale.
You mean the same scouts that thought Rusney's, and Panda's skills would translate? The same scouts that missed the fact that Rusney couldn't hit a minor or major league curveball before they gave him a ton of money.Does he? Do you know he knows that? Do I know you know he knows that? [Well, that's what I'm pointing out here.]
I'll acknowledge that at one point a few weeks back, when the Red Sox probably offered Espinoza or an Espinoza-led package for Sale, the White Sox probably turned it down and said you need to include one (or both) of Moncada/Benintendi. And DD probably decided he'd rather roll the dice with the Pomeranz proposal he had in hand rather than wait to see if things changed closer to the deadline.
But I'm not at all sure that an Espinoza-led package might not be adequately appealing to the White Sox today. [Espinoza-Devers-EdRo-Swihart -- I don't know that might get it done.]
At this second, with three uninspiring Pomeranz starts under the Red Sox belt, it looks unfortunate that DD jumped, but I don't want to be unfair with the 20/20 hindsight as it made sense to me at the time. If, God forbid, Pomeranz never gets past John Burkett-level performances, then we'll all have a right to bitch, particularly at the scouts who felt Pomeranz's success would translate.
Hey- Hanley had a terrific July and has been athletic enough to play 1st.You mean the same scouts that thought Rusney's, and Panda's skills would translate? The same scouts that missed the fact that Rusney couldn't hit a minor or major league curveball before they gave him a ton of money.
Those would, I'm pretty sure, be different scouts, considering that they wouldn't even have the same boss.You mean the same scouts that thought Rusney's, and Panda's skills would translate? The same scouts that missed the fact that Rusney couldn't hit a minor or major league curveball before they gave him a ton of money.