Post-deadline organizational rosterbation - Starting Rotation

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As everyone knows, the Red Sox have dealt 4/5 of their opening day rotation in the last week, and have also brought in a few pitchers.
 
I think we can all agree that the best use of the remainder of the 2014 season in Boston is to get a sense of who can and can't help in 2015.  I thought it would be worth taking a look at the top layers of the minor leagues and see what the Sox should do with all of this B-/C+ starting pitching.  As well, there are several roster considerations, which I won't necessarily get into, but this time of year there are some roster crunch considerations due to draftees signing pushing guys up the ladder.  You can see some evidence of this if you go over to the Soxprospects Organizational Roster Page here.
 
Boston:
- Clay Buchholz.  Obviously you can only hope he can pitch his way out of his doldrums.  He seems to not be injured. 
- Joe Kelly.  I think his future is in the bullpen, but because of his baserunning injury earlier this year, he hasn't pitched much, and it would be good to give him the innings and the shot at earning a rotation spot.  As well, the Red Sox pretty clearly have stated he is going to start here.
- Brandon Workman.  I'm honestly not sold on Workman as anything more than a back of the rotation starter or bullpen arm, but he has pitched well enough to keep this spot.  
- RDLR.  He has held his own.  the concern here is that he has already thrown 25% more innings than he did in his injury shortened 2013.  I'm not sure how many more starts he will make.
 
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- Allen Webster.  Still the highest ceiling guy they have other than Buchholz.  Has almost 3.5 years of AA/AAA experience now, so at some point you have to see if he'll play in the majors.  In the Boston rotation for now.
- Anthony Ranaudo.  Almost interchangeable with Webster, with worse stuff but better command.  Similar age/experience.  If he dominates the Yankees tonight then he might stay while Webster goes back south.  I almost think the best thing is to demote Webster now, keep Ranaudo up for 3 starts, then swap them, and then bring them both up in September while shutting down RDLR.
- Steven Wright.  First guy in for emergencies.  
 
Pawtucket:
Matt Barnes.  Just need to keep pitching him and hoping to see some improvement
- Edwin Escobar.  Will be happy to get out of the PCL and Fresno and see if he can re-establish some hype.
- Chris Hernandez.  Not much of a prospect, but pitching well enough to not lose his spot.  
 
Portland:
- Henry Owens.  Many people might say it is time to push him to AAA and I could see it, but the advantage of getting him more time against more advanced AAA hitters is mitigated a bit by having him lead a team into the playoffs, and sometimes (not often, but sometimes) major league clubs that don't have a lot to gain will stall a promotion to reward a minor league team.  Portland's last winning season was 2008.  So I can see the Sox letting Owens stay and give the Sea Dogs a chance for the EL crown. 
Brian Johnson.  Having a good 2014 that has elevated his stock a bit.  
- Eduardo Rodriguez.  Many thought he might contribute in the majors this year, but he has struggled and is still young for the Eastern League.
Luis Diaz.  Promoted from Salem earlier in the year, shown some promise, probably longer term a bullpen guy, but should keep his spot.
- Justin Haley.  Recent Salem promotion (7/29).  
 
I think you could make the aggressive play and start separating out some chaff, demote Hernandez to the Pawtucket bullpen, and promote Owens and maybe I wouldn't argue too much with that.  
 
In terms of looking forward to 2015, under the assumption the Red Sox will sign a few players to fill out the major league roster, I think 2015 will see some significant trade activity.
 

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smastroyin said:
- RDLR.  He has held his own.  the concern here is that he has already thrown 25% more innings than he did in his injury shortened 2013.  I'm not sure how many more starts he will make.
 
Yeah, I think he's bullpen bound real soon despite his solid work in MLB this year. Buchholz, Kelly, Webster, Workman & Ranaudo should be the primary rotation going forward, with Wright & Escobar getting September call-ups for piggyback stints.
 

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smastroyin said:
Portland:
- Henry Owens.  Many people might say it is time to push him to AAA and I could see it, but the advantage of getting him more time against more advanced AAA hitters is mitigated a bit by having him lead a team into the playoffs, and sometimes (not often, but sometimes) major league clubs that don't have a lot to gain will stall a promotion to reward a minor league team.  Portland's last winning season was 2008.  So I can see the Sox letting Owens stay and give the Sea Dogs a chance for the EL crown. 
[twitter]alexspeier/status/495217044426473474[/twitter]
Alex Speier: "Sources: LHP Henry Owens promoted to Triple-A Pawtucket"
 

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Great post, Smas!  As of today, the 4 guys you have in Boston are a pretty unimpressive starting rotation and certainly not a championship one.  I can't see their value changing all that much between what we see and know now and 2015.  So Cherrington surely has a plan here - just not sure what it is beyond trying to resign Lester
 
Agree on Workman - I'm not sold on him in the rotation after a strong 2013 in the pen including his great performance in game 6 of the WS.
 
RDLR and Webster definitely should get a long look as starters if possible.  Even just one of them playing close to their potential will be a great and long term addition to the rotation.
 
Stephen Wright - hmmm - do we want to go the knuckleball route again so soon?  Passed balls, stolen bases, specialized catcher - those were things I didn't like with Wakes
 

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Note on Eduardo Rodriguez--he pitched 150 innings last year as a 20 year old, about a 40% bump and I read somewhere last night (sorry no link) that this year's struggles may be related to that. He's down around 80 IP so far this year.
 

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Interesting on Owens.  I suppose I could get into more business about who is more expendable in terms of chaff, and in a way the Portland rotation is now "more full" than the Pawtucket one, but I wonder what the corresponding move is.  Keep all three of Workman/Webster/Ranaudo in Boston?  Send Hernandez to the bullpen or release him?  Pawtucket already has 13 pitchers with just one of WWR and Brayan Villareal will need a spot when his GCL rehab ends (or he can be released or whatever but there are probably other guys they'd rather give up on)
 

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smastroyin said:
Interesting on Owens.  I suppose I could get into more business about who is more expendable in terms of chaff, and in a way the Portland rotation is now "more full" than the Pawtucket one, but I wonder what the corresponding move is.  Keep all three of Workman/Webster/Ranaudo in Boston?  Send Hernandez to the bullpen or release him?  Pawtucket already has 13 pitchers with just one of WWR and Brayan Villareal will need a spot when his GCL rehab ends (or he can be released or whatever but there are probably other guys they'd rather give up on)
 
Some portion of that, combined with a move of RDLR to the Boston bullpen, would be my guess. 
 

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Stephen Wright - hmmm - do we want to go the knuckleball route again so soon?  Passed balls, stolen bases, specialized catcher - those were things I didn't like with Wakes
I think Wright is under appreciated and could/should be an important part of the Sox rotation the rest of the year. His cameo start for Boston in 2013 was very good, and once he got back from injury, he's been outstanding this season in the minors. Wouldn't worry so much about wildness because a.) 60 K's against just 14 BB's in 75 IP this year, along with a 0.94 WHIP for the Pawsox and b.) he'll have the incomparable Christian Vazquez as his battery mate.

Most importantly, he's got a lot of innings left in his arm this year. I want to see what RDLR, Workman, and Renaudo have got against MLB pitchers as much as the next guy, but they've had longer seasons than they're accustomed to and you want to protect them.
 

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Lurker grimshaw PM'd me this
 

Lurker here but wanted to contribute on what I think they'll do. Feel free to post if you think it's worthy.

Workman is definitely a Farrell binky but I think they really need to see Webster and Ranaudo sooner than later before they are pitching against triple A call ups again in September whom they have already seen. Webster especially since he's nearing his make or break time before he loses trade value.

When they hit their IP limits soon, then I would expect Wright to come up and scarf some meaningless innings since auditioning a knuckleballer is much less important and I doubt he has much more polishing to do.

It seems that they barely even have enough pitchers to eat up the rest of the remaining innings since they are all close to the same age, and the BP has been worked hard.
 

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I think to that last point, in September, we'll see more call ups than usual, especially on the pitching staff, precisely to make sure they have enough arms to take all those innings.
 

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Mugsys Jock said:
I think Wright is under appreciated and could/should be an important part of the Sox rotation the rest of the year. His cameo start for Boston in 2013 was very good, and once he got back from injury, he's been outstanding this season in the minors. Wouldn't worry so much about wildness because a.) 60 K's against just 14 BB's in 75 IP this year, along with a 0.94 WHIP for the Pawsox and b.) he'll have the incomparable Christian Vazquez as his battery mate.

Most importantly, he's got a lot of innings left in his arm this year. I want to see what RDLR, Workman, and Renaudo have got against MLB pitchers as much as the next guy, but they've had longer seasons than they're accustomed to and you want to protect them.
 
Just wanted to note my agreement with this and point out that this WHIP is the lowest among PawSox starters this year. I wonder if the bullpen will be strong enough in August to deal with the workload given the rotation and will be curious to see how Farrell handles it. Wright could be very valuable in gobbling up innings by September, either in the bullpen or in a starting role. The same could be true next year, if they decide to have a swingman or two covering in case we start the year with 2 young pitchers (+ Buchholz's question marks).
 

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smastroyin said:
Lurker grimshaw PM'd me this
 
 
I don't necessarily expect it to happen but I generally agree.  I think I've seen enough of Workman, both in terms of performance and stuff, to say that his ceiling is a back of the rotation starter and that in an ideal world his future will be in our bullpen or as a versatile swing guy.
 
My preference would be a current rotation of:
 
Buch
Kelly
RDLR
Webster
Ranaudo
 
When RDLR hits his innings cap in a few weeks, I'd probably hand the ball to Workman but I'd consider giving either Wright or Escobar a few starts in September depending on their performance in Pawtucket.
 

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Thoughts on innings limits:
 
Potential issues with innings limits:
RDLR - 91.2 (2013), 114.1 (2014) - assume 135 IP as innings limit (ie, 4 more starts)
Webster - 135.1 (2013), 127.1 (2014) - assume 170 IP as innings limit (ie, 7 more starts)
 
No potential issues with innings limits:
Ranaudo - 140.0 (2013), 119.1 (2014) - assume 175 IP as innings limit (prob ok until end of year)
Workman - 142.2 (2013 reg. season only), 112.0 (2014) - assume 175 IP as innings limit (prob ok until end of year)
Wright - 148.2 (2013), 75.2 (2014) - assume no innings limit
 
Guys who likely will not be called up to help, either for innings limits or 40-man roster considerations:
Escobar - 128.2 (2013), 117.0 (2014) - assume 160 IP as innings limit (prob ok until end of minor league year)
Barnes - 113.1 (2013), 86.0 (2014) - assume 145 IP as innings limit (prob ok until end of year) (not on 40-man roster but will need to be added in fall)
Owens - 135.0 (2013), 121.0 (2014) - assume 165 IP as innings limit (prob ok until end of minor league year) (not on 40-man roster)
 

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I'm mostly in agreement with what's been tossed out here.
 
Buchholz is going to lead the staff and hopefully find himself out there. Kelly is going to get some innings under his belt as a starter, which will allow the Sox to evaluate him moving forward. After these two, I'd keep RDLR in the rotation for 2-3 more starts before putting him in the bullpen where he can max out his innings limit. I'd let Webster and Ranaudo fill out the rotation for the remainder of the year, as these two guys have the highest upside of the bunch. And I'd keep Workman in long-relief for now and keep him stretched out, then have him fill in for RDLR once he's relegated to the bullpen. Come September, I'd consider calling up Wright and Escobar to take spot starts as needed.
 
Another thing they could consider, particularly with RDLR's innings limit and Buchholz and Kelly's injuries, is going to a 6-man rotation. I know this is a vulgar statement around here, and I normally agree with the logic against it. However, this may be the perfect time. The Sox aren't looking to win games and keeping the rotation fresh may benefit the staff and the development of the young pitchers over the next 2 months. Not necessarily something I'm advocating for, but certain something I'd at least consider.  
 

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Piling on the pro-Wright bandwagon.  Tim Wakefield won 200 games in his career and I'd love to see Steven Wright show he has similar talent.