I’ve had this thought more than once. Can’t wait to hear what convoluted rationale the Price haters come up with this offseason.He earned his entire contract the last two starts. This is the SP version of JD Drew.
It's really anything but. Price has proven this postseason that SSS is the very definition of postseason play. Given time, really good players play to their regression which is what Price is currently proving. Unless, you think Ted sucks because he had a blah postseason in '46.First of all... Light up this thread!
What a, dare I say, clutch performance.
Put this together with his last gem, and you have a dominant playoff performance. SSS rules apply. Your mileage may vary.
The only reason he would opt out is if he was so miserable from the fans that he wanted to be anywhere else but Boston. Right now he looks anything but miserable and the fans love him.So if this was his last appearance does he opt out?
Nobody does. heck, I don't even want to see Chris Sale pitch again. ;-)I don't want to see him pitch again until the spring, though.
Price has demonstrated once again that a sample size of 10 games spread over many years has zero predictive value.It's really anything but. Price has proven this postseason that SSS is the very definition of postseason play. Given time, really good players play to their regression which is what Price is currently proving. Unless, you think Ted sucks because he had a blah postseason in '46.
I'm with you here.I do think there’s something to be said about it being a mental thing tho.
Sabathia is the guy who comes to mind. Until 2009, he was The Guy Who Couldn’t Get It Done in October and the Sox benefitted mightily in 2007. But once he got over the hump, he was generally pretty terrific and saved the Yankees’ season about three times last October.
I think we may see both in relief even if we sweep.Nobody does. heck, I don't even want to see Chris Sale pitch again. ;-)
Retired 16 straight to end the game without using Barnes or Tilt.The Sox are dismantling the Dodgers more surgically and efficiently than they did with the Yankees and Astros.
Price, Kelly, Eovaldi and Kimbrel. Yowza!
Such a great performance, and I think the thing I was happiest about is the fact that he came right back after that "bad" fourth (and a very short half-inning where the Sox bats did nothing) to shut the Dodgers down for two more innings, setting up the pen nicely for success.
I’d agree there’s a mental component. Couch one’s expression of oneself v. the external world in terms of faith, luck, destiny, karma, what-have-you; for many people there’s something extra to be reckoned with when aproaching a new challenge, or returning to something one failed at. Everyone knows someone who is unlucky, or snake-bit; what if it’s you, here, for this thing? Yet once “the thing” is done successfully, the next go at it often becomes easier, at least from the perspective of not over-thinking, getting distracted, or psyching yourself out.I do think there’s something to be said about it being a mental thing tho.
Sabathia is the guy who comes to mind. Until 2009, he was The Guy Who Couldn’t Get It Done in October and the Sox benefitted mightily in 2007. But once he got over the hump, he was generally pretty terrific and saved the Yankees’ season about three times last October.
Do we give a shit about such things?loved his performance, but why is the guy such a dink with his presser?
I don't think I'm contradicting myself by agreeing. It *had* to be a relief (no pun).I'm with you here.
In his post-game interview after Game 5 in Houston, he looked like the weight of the world had been lifted off his shoulders.
Why do you care? Benintendi is bland in his postgame interviews. It doesn't matter.loved his performance, but why is the guy such a dink with his presser?
That's funny.loved his performance, but why is the guy such a dink with his presser?
I enjoy his pressers - brutally honest, a bit raw, unvarnished. Reminds me of Pedro back in the day when you’d sometime wonder aloud “did he just say that”loved his performance, but why is the guy such a dink with his presser?
He may well be opting out, even though he said a month ago he was planning to stay — “he came here to win,” and the team is winning.Guys on EEI (I know, I know) are convinced he's either opting out or getting traded.
If there is no team that would be a trade partner, then why would there be a team interested in signing him if he opts out? I can't believe that he hates Boston so much that he'd opt out to sign a significantly worse contract.He may well be opting out, even though he said a month ago he was planning to stay — “he came here to win,” and the team is winning.
It’d be hard to find a trading partner for a four year commitment at a $30m+ AAV for a mid-30s pitcher with ambiguous elbow issues, even a very good one. I think we can safely rule that out.
I don’t think either are at all likely, to be clear.If there is no team that would be a trade partner, then why would there be a team interested in signing him if he opts out? I can't believe that he hates Boston so much that he'd opt out to sign a significantly worse contract.
Because a team would have to give up assets to acquire him from the Sox. If he's a FA, it's only cash. It's possible the Sox would trade Price for a sack of baseballs too.If there is no team that would be a trade partner, then why would there be a team interested in signing him if he opts out? I can't believe that he hates Boston so much that he'd opt out to sign a significantly worse contract.
If the Sox win the WS this year and some team is then willing to take on Price's full contract, I'm pretty sure that the assets they'd request wouldn't be meaningful.Because a team would have to give up assets to acquire him from the Sox. If he's a FA, it's only cash. It's possible the Sox would trade Price for a sack of baseballs too.
If you put yourself in his shoes and have spent the last god knows how long answering the same questions about how he sucks in the playoffs, and you decide to give candid answers now that people are changing their tune, does that make you a dink? I think we have to be realistic about what you can expect normal humans to do under such strange circumstances.loved his performance, but why is the guy such a dink with his presser?
But won't the Sox be in extreme GFIN mode in 2019 given all the contract decisions after that? They'd be reluctant to let Price go unless it were pretty persuasive and/or Eovaldi returned.If the Sox win the WS this year and some team is then willing to take on Price's full contract, I'm pretty sure that the assets they'd request wouldn't be meaningful.
My opinion is that if they win this year, they'll feel less compelled to hold onto 4 years of 34-37 Price to GFIN in 2019. And his money will help with those other contract decisions.But won't the Sox be in extreme GFIN mode in 2019 given all the contract decisions after that? They'd be reluctant to let Price go unless it were pretty persuasive and/or Eovaldi returned.
I agree. However, Price is holding all of the cards here. The Sox may not have a choice.My opinion is that if they win this year, they'll feel less compelled to hold onto 4 years of 34-37 Price to GFIN in 2019. And his money will help with those other contract decisions.
Does he? Maybe I can't find it, but I don't see anything about a no trade clause.I agree. However, Price is holding all of the cards here. The Sox may not have a choice.
He was saying IF the Red Sox win and IF another team is willing to take him on. Does Price have a no-trade?I agree. However, Price is holding all of the cards here. The Sox may not have a choice.
I am fairly positive he does not have a no-trade clause, though note if he isn't traded in the next two seasons he will acquire 10/5 rights which function as a full no-trade clause.Does he? Maybe I can't find it, but I don't see anything about a no trade clause.
My bad. I was talking about the opt out.Does he? Maybe I can't find it, but I don't see anything about a no trade clause.
Does anyone know by what date Price has to opt-in? I assume the Red Sox would have only agreed to a relatively early date so that if he opts out they can explore alternatives, but if he doesn't have to do so until later in the offseason that would give Price more leverage. And it's also possible, I suppose, he doesn't have a full no-trade clause but does have minor protections around the opt-out clause such that they can't trade him within X days of opting in to prevent gamesmanship by the Sox where they sell him on four more years of Sox baseball and then immediately turn around and trade him.My bad. I was talking about the opt out.
Yeah, but balanced against the 2019 rotation situation. So if they think Eovaldi is coming back, that makes them a lot freer to explore a deal for Price.My opinion is that if they win this year, they'll feel less compelled to hold onto 4 years of 34-37 Price to GFIN in 2019. And his money will help with those other contract decisions.
sure, I like rooting for players who are likable and have nice personalities. How do you pick your favorite players...just by their stats?Do we give a shit about such things?
Stats and laundry.sure, I like rooting for players who are likable and have nice personalities. How do you pick your favorite players...just by their stats?
I usually end up really liking the guys that piss off fans like you. And stats, that too.sure, I like rooting for players who are likable and have nice personalities. How do you pick your favorite players...just by their stats?
Up until the point where he actually harms another human being or their livelihood, where he becomes an actual detriment to society (or maybe if he is poisoning the team's chemistry), I don't give a shit about a player's personality. Sure, they can gain some bonus points for being easy to like (Ortiz ascends from demigod to god status, maybe, e.g.). But if a guy glowers and barks at the media/Twitter but also throws 6 shutout against the Astros...the latter completely wipes out the former in my ledger.sure, I like rooting for players who are likable and have nice personalities. How do you pick your favorite players...just by their stats?