Rate the Mayo Hire

Rate the Mayo Hire

  • Homerun

    Votes: 34 9.1%
  • Optimistic

    Votes: 224 60.2%
  • Neutral

    Votes: 78 21.0%
  • Pessimistic

    Votes: 33 8.9%
  • Complete Failure

    Votes: 3 0.8%

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FL4WL3SS

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I'm ecstatic with the hire and continuity within the org. I don't think coaching was a problem with this team at all last year and I think it was a combination of player performance, personnel, and tanking (intentional or not).

I also think FA are going to want to play for Mayo and the team has a ton of money to spend.
 

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I'm ecstatic with the hire and continuity within the org. I don't think coaching was a problem with this team at all last year and I think it was a combination of player performance, personnel, and tanking (intentional or not).

I also think FA are going to want to play for Mayo and the team has a ton of money to spend.
I thought the defense played their asses off all year (effort-wise) which is a big mark in his favor in my opinion. I assume he played a large part in having them busting ass even when the season was lost, which was impressive to see.
 

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I said optimistic. I think moving away from BB ultimately was the right, albeit difficult move. The Pats go in the opposite direction of BB with a former NFL player and a very young voice, but also keep someone around who's had success in New England from the field and the sidelines and learned from BB.

I also think that there would have been major issues in the locker room and around the league if Mayo was promised to be the succession plan for BB and Kraft pivoted in a different direction. Mayo passed up multiple head coaching interview opportunities last year for this opportunity (at least that's how it sounded to me). It would have been a difficult look.
 

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I thought the defense played their asses off all year (effort-wise) which is a big mark in his favor in my opinion. I assume he played a large part in having them busting ass even when the season was lost, which was impressive to see.
There are quite a few guys you could point to that looked like they quit on the offensive side of the ball (or were playing not to get hurt), you couldn't say that about the defense, there was a ton of pride there.
 

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I'm optimistic for the following reasons:

1. BB thinks highly of Mayo.
2. That they've had this plan in place means that even though this process seems fast to us now, it clearly was well thought-out for a long time, and the Krafts have obviously done their homework already.
3. He seems very, very bright - always a good thing in a HC.
4. He seems like a very good communicator, and that makes me optimistic.
5. He has been highly regarded by many people already in his relatively short coaching career.
6. He seems like he has the ability to carry on with some of the best stuff BB offered - mainly on defense.
7. As far as a person goes, he's more "contemporary" than BB is. More relatable. Players of this generation seem to gravitate towards him. That'll make this team more attractive for prospective free agents perhaps.
8. He won't have to carry the whole burden that BB did - so he can concentrate on coaching (I'm sure he'll have player personnel input but that entire department isn't on his shoulders).
9. He's young - seems to have tons of energy.
10. They'll be drafting a new QB (hopefully). Fresh start for the offense.
11. They have money to spend in free agency. An opportunity to improve quickly if they spend it right.
 

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I picked optimistic, because context aside I am positive on the idea of Mayo as next coach.

I'd still give the overall decisions of this week a negative rating, but what's done is done and if not considered in light of that, I think Mayo has as good or better a chance to do a great job than anyone in the candidate field right now save Harbaugh, which I don't think many here would have wanted.
 

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I’m optimistic. Like how the move is simultaneously a renewal but also provides continuity. Agree on how well the D’s intensity all 17 games speaks to Mayo’s ability to lead and get results. Also like that he’s not a retread and has been in the organization for a long long time. They know all the warts. Who he’s able to get for the OC is the major question - along with the size of the asst. coaching budget. With the money presumably saved from BB’s salary, they need to bust that wide open.
 

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I'm very optimistic. I see a resemblance to Theo Epstein becoming the Sox GM = maybe a bit sooner than expected, but a sharp guy with all the other tools in the toolbox. Of course, I'm not holding Mayo to Theo's level of success.
 
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I'm team ecstatic as I think Mayo has enough of the best of Bill and enough of his own leadership and managerial acumen to make this a great hire. My biggest concern is the currently empty GM chair, especially with Adam Peters headed to Washington.
 

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I picked optimistic. I can defend neutral or pessimistic, but how can anyone rate this a home run or complete failure less than 24 hours in?
 

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I picked optimistic. I can defend neutral or pessimistic, but how can anyone rate this a home run or complete failure less than 24 hours in?
Historically, an utter and complete lack of knowledge beyond surface-level reductionist nonsense hasn't been an impediment for people advocating absolutist positions in this forum. Dunno why this would be any different.
 

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As a Jets fan I put neutral. I don't think he will suck but I am glad to be rid of BB and happy Harbaugh won't be in Foxboro with a new hotshot qb. If a Brady orbit guy is OC I will go from neutral to feeling good about it.
 

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Neutral. I don't see how we can rate this, especially since even last year he was not even the defensive coordinator - he shared that with Steve B. So I said "neutral". I eagerly await news on the hiring of the GM.
 

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Optimistic is as far as I can go. They must see something in him. Players like him. His exposure thus far has been pretty limited. Draft the QB and let's roll.
 

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I just don't really get how you hire a head coach before a GM.

What GM is gonna want the gig if they can't make the most important choice the job would normally call for?
 

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I just don't really get how you hire a head coach before a GM.

What GM is gonna want the gig if they can't make the most important choice the job would normally call for?
It tends to be a sign of dysfunction. Let’s hope that’s not the case here. I presume there’s a plan and whoever they get will be worth it and willing to put up with not having hired the coach. Tough to find that combination usually.
 

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I just don't really get how you hire a head coach before a GM.

What GM is gonna want the gig if they can't make the most important choice the job would normally call for?
It tends to be a sign of dysfunction. Let’s hope that’s not the case here. I presume there’s a plan and whoever they get will be worth it and willing to put up with not having hired the coach. Tough to find that combination usually.
I disagree. Most NFL franchises don’t have a strict owner -> GM -> coach chain of command, the way MLB and NBA franchises typically do. The coach may nominally report to the GM, but in practice they both are answerable directly to ownership. As a corollary, GMs don’t generally hire coaches; they have input, but it’s an ownership decision.

If the Pats were looking externally for a coach, having a GM in place to assist the Krafts in evaluating people they don’t know would be nice, but I don’t think prospective GMs will pass on the job because there’s a coach in place.

Edit: I voted “neutral” because I have no idea how to weigh Mayo against someone else’s hotshot assistant.
 
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Neutral.

Many first time coaches (second time too) in the NFL seem to struggle and are fired within two or three years, putting their teams on a treadmill of frequently starting from scratch. This constant turnover doesn't allow for organizational structure and culture to get established, like which we just saw for the last 24 years.

I'm hopeful that Mayo and the new administration can avoid the treadmill, but odds are they can't and in three years we'll be hoping the new guy is the right one
 

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It tends to be a sign of dysfunction. Let’s hope that’s not the case here. I presume there’s a plan and whoever they get will be worth it and willing to put up with not having hired the coach. Tough to find that combination usually.
Whether or not it should have happened first, the GM in this case is the more critical hire. It doesn't seem possible to have less offensive talent than there is on the team currently.
 

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I start here, but in this case am "optimistic" because Mayo comes from the part of the team that has been very good, seems to have been a big part of it, is reportedly quite intelligent but also seems a good communicator. I'll be disappointed if they don't also bring in fresh blood as OC (no Josh or B O'B) and GM. But I think if those 2 are filled from the outside, then there''s both the needed shake-up of the culture along with continuity of what has been working best, but with new/younger/fresher/more communicative blood.
 

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I chose optimistic, but mostly because I'm just an optimist!

Clearly Mayo is an impressive guy, and I think the Pats are in dire need of a reset in many ways. Mayo might make it happen. But the reality is he has no experience in a role that is very, very difficult to succeed at. The vast majority of HCs will be fired in <5 years. 24 of 32 teams have HCs who were hired in 2020 or later. 19 teams in 2022 or later.

The likelihood that Mayo will have a different fate is small, but there's no penalty for optimism.
 

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Home run.

Kraft knows what he knows, and he thought Mayo was the man for the job. Everything I’ve heard from him, even the last media kerfuffle, makes me think he’s right…and that’s on top of what he did on the field.
 

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Neutral.

Many first time coaches (second time too) in the NFL seem to struggle and are fired within two or three years, putting their teams on a treadmill of frequently starting from scratch. This constant turnover doesn't allow for organizational structure and culture to get established, like which we just saw for the last 24 years.

I'm hopeful that Mayo and the new administration can avoid the treadmill, but odds are they can't and in three years we'll be hoping the new guy is the right one
It all depends on the QB they draft. If the next QB busts, Mayo will be on the hot seat in a few years.
 

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I would love Vrabel, McCourty or similar in a John Lynch type role as GM or Head of Football Ops. I’m worried there may be too much institutional malaise if they hire from within and promote an internal candidate to general manager.
 

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Neutral. I like what I have read about Mayo and he must have something going on for the Krafts (and BB) to put him in the succession plan.

But man coaching in the NFL is really hard and I’m not sure being an assistant or even a coordinator prepares you for it. Worried about first time very young coach taking over the whole operation and being overwhelmed by it.
 

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Optimistic. Should be fun to see a new, younger voice behind the team, and he seems to have a lot of cachet with both Belichick and the Krafts.

Time will tell; the players that take the field will always play a large part in a team's success, and there's work to be done there.
 

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Neutral. I like what I have read about Mayo and he must have something going on for the Krafts (and BB) to put him in the succession plan.

But man coaching in the NFL is really hard and I’m not sure being an assistant or even a coordinator prepares you for it. Worried about first time very young coach taking over the whole operation and being overwhelmed by it.
Then what prepares you to coach? They have to come from somewhere.
 

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I disagree. Most NFL franchises don’t have a strict owner -> GM -> coach chain of command, the way MLB and NBA franchises typically do. The coach may nominally report to the GM, but in practice they both are answerable directly to ownership. As a corollary, GMs don’t generally hire coaches; they have input, but it’s an ownership decision.

If the Pats were looking externally for a coach, having a GM in place to assist the Krafts in evaluating people they don’t know would be nice, but I don’t think prospective GMs will pass on the job because there’s a coach in place.
This is a good point. If you are looking for a GM to be at the top of the football operation, then sticking him with a coach before he arrives may make the job less attractive. If you aren't, and either the coach is the #2 or there will be some sort of power sharing, then the GMs who want to run the show (and have proven they can) won't be interested in the job, but there are plenty of candidates who would still be interested. Hiring Mayo probably meams they aren't looking for one guy at the top of the hierarchy just yet.
 

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I disagree. Most NFL franchises don’t have a strict owner -> GM -> coach chain of command, the way MLB and NBA franchises typically do. The coach may nominally report to the GM, but in practice they both are answerable directly to ownership. As a corollary, GMs don’t generally hire coaches; they have input, but it’s an ownership decision.
Some teams do this, but I don't think it's the best setup. By and large, in the best organizations, you know who wears the pants in that household. It could be the head coach (Belichick, Reid, Shanahan), it could be the GM (Ozzie, Howie, Colbert), but there's a clear power structure and ownership doesn't have to butt their heads in very often, if at all.

Accordingly, I'm neutral, generally agreeing with @mikeford that the GM should have been able to make the hire (or we should have gone with a more experienced head coach ready to take more personnel responsibility). I'm curious if they already have someone staked out.

I think there's a lot to like about Mayo as a head coach candidate. For the Pats specifically, I think there's a lot of value in keeping defensive continuity; their defensive personnel aren't for everyone, and I would worry that if we changed schemes, we'd have to change a lot of defensive players in an offseason where the O needs a ton of investment. So I'm glad there won't be that distraction.
 

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But man coaching in the NFL is really hard and I’m not sure being an assistant or even a coordinator prepares you for it. Worried about first time very young coach taking over the whole operation and being overwhelmed by it.
There are two successful head coaches in the Division who would probably say their roles as assistants or coordinators did prepare them. One of them is only slightly older than Mayo.

Optimistic. Life is too short.
 

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I voted pessimistic yesterday, but it wasn't really about just Mayo. It's more worrying about what the Kraft's are doing and their approach, and a fear (hopefully unfounded) that Jonathon is going to take a bigger role in football operations. But as far as Mayo himself, I'm optimistic and hopeful. He's an easy guy to root for anyway.
 

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I've landed on "optimistic." I really like Mayo, and the very positive player reactions are encouraging signs to me. Almost reminds me of ND's locker room going nuts when Marcus Freeman was hired, and that's gone pretty decently for them.
 

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I get it, it is just a general uneasiness about a first time coach who is pretty young and hasn’t been doing it very long all of a sudden in charge of the whole program.
Totally get this, as I’m feeling the same thing. Even good coaches fall on their face in the head job, and even good coaches do well in the head job under the circumstances and still get fired because owners are impatient and shit outside the coach’s control happens (injuries, bad personnel moves). The error bars are big on any of these guys, including, yes, even the seemingly assumed-to-be-home run hire Ben Johnson.
 

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I love the hire. It keeps continuity of the Patriot Way (TM) while starting fresh with someone young, smart, and apparently well liked by players. If he brings in Hightower to be LB coach or something, even better. I’d rather have kept Bill another year or two and get him better support. But if that was happening, this is the next best option.

Yes, I hope they modernize the offense. They don’t need a McDaniel/Shanahan/Mcvay head coach to do that. Bill wasn’t calling the offense during their decades of success. Harbaugh, Campbell, and Hardo aren’t running their offenses and those teams are scoring plenty of points. They can bring in a new OC to develop the offense. Hell, they could probably leave BoB in place, build a larger and better support staff, and run more of what he was doing at Alabama like Daboll.
 

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this is going to go 1 of 3 ways

1 smarter vance joseph this wouild mean he wins about 5-7 games a season
2 middle big 1st year bump 8-9 wins then setters back to 6-8 wins a season
3 younger mike t has a bumpy year 1 7-8 wins but then seattle down and wins 9-10 games a season
 

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but u have to get a new qb and 8-9 new off guys

if i was new england new gm i wouild call denver up and offer the num 3 pick for p sutrain the best CB in the nfl think T Law and Jerry jerdy or corutland sutton the only drawback is moveing down 9 spots this wouild give 2 etite CB to match aga miami and buff and jerdy or sutton can be your num 1 wr and i am assumng payon wants his qb and with peters in wash 3 is the highest we can get
 
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There are two successful head coaches in the Division who would probably say their roles as assistants or coordinators did prepare them. One of them is only slightly older than Mayo.

Optimistic. Life is too short.
McDaniel is the 6th straight guy the Dolphins have tried who came from a coordinator/position coach background. The other 5 (Cam Cameron, Tony Sparano, Joe Philbin, Adam Gase and Brian Flores) were all spectacular failures.

A lot of the stuff being said about Mayo today are the same things said about Flores a few years ago. Guys loved him in the Locke room, super smart, defensive genius, young, energetic. Hasn’t really worked out for him as a coach.


For every McDaniel (assuming he’s for real and not just a product of great talent at QB/WR) there’s a dozen guys who were supposed experts, geniuses, beloved position coaches/coordinators who flop

The idea that Mayo will fail, or at least his strong points don’t necessarily point to success, is simply an exercise in probability. The vast majority of NFL coaches fail or are replaceable. Very few good coordinators turn into head coaches with longevities in

More than half the league has hired a new coach in the last 3 years and some of those spots have been turned over multiple times.

Mayo, like almost every coach before him, will end up being as successful as the talent around him dictates. Which is why the decision to pair him with internal personnel guys seems so poorly thought out.

If they trot out BOB, the rest of the offensive staff (or most of them), Wolf, Groh and don’t make any substantive additions, then it really comes down to Kraft thinking Bill and Bill alone was the problem. Perhaps he has reason to think that, perhaps he has access to the scouting reports and draft board the team prepared and it turns out BB went rogue on all the bad picks. But looking in from a fan’s perspective it’s bizarre to me that all our hopes for a competitive team come down to running it back with all the same guys and hoping that all of Bill’s strengths remain via his underlings and all his weaknesses go out the door with him. It just seems incredibly unlikely
 

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Whether or not it should have happened first, the GM in this case is the more critical hire. It doesn't seem possible to have less offensive talent than there is on the team currently.
Hiring a GM now won't change the fact that current Patriots scouts have been working on these players for a year or more. A new GM wouldn't bring in new scouts, so hopefully the current guys are good at their job and Groh/Mayo/etc. listen to them. A new GM brought in 3 months before a draft likely won't change much.
 

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Hiring a GM now won't change the fact that current Patriots scouts have been working on these players for a year or more. A new GM wouldn't bring in new scouts, so hopefully the current guys are good at their job and Groh/Mayo/etc. listen to them. A new GM brought in 3 months before a draft likely won't change much.
Somebody has to make the decision though. And maybe it's fine if they come to a consensus on each pick, but somebody has to have the final decision if the team is not fully aligned on each pick. I'm curious who will have the final say if they go into the draft without a named GM.
 

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if the pats ever hired me i most likey wouild being a sanny/mcyay off and a 4-3 or 4-2-5 type of def i wouild want speed in all 3 spots the only thing that wouild stay the same is the matchup based def of takeing away what the other team does well

i am very freindy with the media wouild littrety talk about anything expet gameplan stuff and if bill did not take a job he couild call me anytime but i wouild likely lean on shanny jimmy johnson rex ryan maybe even pete since he coached this season
 

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McDaniel is the 6th straight guy the Dolphins have tried who came from a coordinator/position coach background. The other 5 (Cam Cameron, Tony Sparano, Joe Philbin, Adam Gase and Brian Flores) were all spectacular failures.

A lot of the stuff being said about Mayo today are the same things said about Flores a few years ago. Guys loved him in the Locke room, super smart, defensive genius, young, energetic. Hasn’t really worked out for him as a coach.
Flores was badly undermined by both his GM and owner the instant he arrived in Miami.
 

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McDaniel is the 6th straight guy the Dolphins have tried who came from a coordinator/position coach background. The other 5 (Cam Cameron, Tony Sparano, Joe Philbin, Adam Gase and Brian Flores) were all spectacular failures.

A lot of the stuff being said about Mayo today are the same things said about Flores a few years ago. Guys loved him in the Locke room, super smart, defensive genius, young, energetic. Hasn’t really worked out for him as a coach.


For every McDaniel (assuming he’s for real and not just a product of great talent at QB/WR) there’s a dozen guys who were supposed experts, geniuses, beloved position coaches/coordinators who flop

The idea that Mayo will fail, or at least his strong points don’t necessarily point to success, is simply an exercise in probability. The vast majority of NFL coaches fail or are replaceable. Very few good coordinators turn into head coaches with longevities in

More than half the league has hired a new coach in the last 3 years and some of those spots have been turned over multiple times.

Mayo, like almost every coach before him, will end up being as successful as the talent around him dictates. Which is why the decision to pair him with internal personnel guys seems so poorly thought out.

If they trot out BOB, the rest of the offensive staff (or most of them), Wolf, Groh and don’t make any substantive additions, then it really comes down to Kraft thinking Bill and Bill alone was the problem. Perhaps he has reason to think that, perhaps he has access to the scouting reports and draft board the team prepared and it turns out BB went rogue on all the bad picks. But looking in from a fan’s perspective it’s bizarre to me that all our hopes for a competitive team come down to running it back with all the same guys and hoping that all of Bill’s strengths remain via his underlings and all his weaknesses go out the door with him. It just seems incredibly unlikely
"Mayo is likely to fail because so many have and most coaches do" is unassailably logical.

I was responding to a post concerned about the assistant route. I pointed out that today, 2024, it seems to be ok in the division.
Tony Sparano coached in 2010(?). Cameron 2007.
Might as well look at the leather helmet era.

"Hasnt worked out" for Flores is an impressive use of the passive voice.
 
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If they trot out BOB, the rest of the offensive staff (or most of them), Wolf, Groh and don’t make any substantive additions, then it really comes down to Kraft thinking Bill and Bill alone was the problem. Perhaps he has reason to think that, perhaps he has access to the scouting reports and draft board the team prepared and it turns out BB went rogue on all the bad picks. But looking in from a fan’s perspective it’s bizarre to me that all our hopes for a competitive team come down to running it back with all the same guys and hoping that all of Bill’s strengths remain via his underlings and all his weaknesses go out the door with him. It just seems incredibly unlikely
I don't disagree with you, but one of the articles I read today had a quote from an ally of BB's that said something like, "They'll have to hire 5 guys to do all the stuff Bill did."
 

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Last night I watched an ex star LB for a team Head Coach his first playoff win with a rookie starting QB. If that doesn’t make you optimistic I don’t know what will.