Am I the only one who's concerned here? If nothing else, it would seem the two sides aren't particularly close to common ground on a long-term extension.
Gone are the Theo days where no one actually got to the arbitration hearing. Hopefully everyone comes out of it on friendly terms.
Long-term extension? I don't think either side is really thinking about that right now, let alone looking for common ground. They've got three more years before that's really a concern.Am I the only one who's concerned here? If nothing else, it would seem the two sides aren't particularly close to common ground on a long-term extension.
Awesome idea to require a once-in-a-generation player have to go through arbitration. Unless he is asking for an astronomical salary, this strikes me as short-sighted. And while I understand that this is only technically an issue in three years, wouldn't it be nice to keep a guy like Mookie happy and feeling positive about the team, rather than making him feel like the team used its leverage over him to shortchange him?Am I the only one who's concerned here? If nothing else, it would seem the two sides aren't particularly close to common ground on a long-term extension.
Obviously, neither is Mookie.Not pleased with that much of a gap
No, this is the business side of baseball and always has been. If Mookie doesn't want to deal with this, he can sign an extension. He's getting an enormous raise regardless, and I still won't be surprised if they come to an agreement at $9ish.Awesome idea to require a once-in-a-generation player have to go through arbitration. Unless he is asking for an astronomical salary, this strikes me as short-sighted. And while I understand that this is only technically an issue in three years, wouldn't it be nice to keep a guy like Mookie happy and feeling positive about the team, rather than making him feel like the team used its leverage over him to shortchange him?
Read the posts above: "Betts and the Sox will set his 2018 salary through arbitration." They're not going to negotiate again -- he gets either his number or the Sox's number. And on "it's a business," part of running a business is keeping your best employees happy.No, this is the business side of baseball and always has been. If Mookie doesn't want to deal with this, he can sign an extension. He's getting an enormous raise regardless, and I still won't be surprised if they come to an agreement at $9ish.
The team elected to give him a very high salary last season. They’re not operating in bad faith.Awesome idea to require a once-in-a-generation player have to go through arbitration. Unless he is asking for an astronomical salary, this strikes me as short-sighted. And while I understand that this is only technically an issue in three years, wouldn't it be nice to keep a guy like Mookie happy and feeling positive about the team, rather than making him feel like the team used its leverage over him to shortchange him?
Negotiating 101, while it's possible they go to arb I'd bet against it.Read the posts above: "Betts and the Sox will set his 2018 salary through arbitration." They're not going to negotiate again -- he gets either his number or the Sox's number.
Bryant had two MVP caliber years in a row. Mookie had one and then a good but not great year. $10.5M was a really aggressive ask, and $7.5 may be a pretty good pegging of his value given the context (being a first year arb player instead of a free agent).while I think Mookie is going a bit high after a down year at 10.5, I think us countering with 7.5 is a good deal low as well, hence the likelihood now they're going to arbitration. For comparison, George Springer offered 10.5 and the Astros offered 8.5.
what was Mookie projected for?
EDIT: 8.2 mil per MLBTR
I don't know if I'd go that far with it, but if our rumored interest in JDM is legit there is going to have to be a lot of budget crunching going on if DD wants to dodge a 2nd tier LT hit. So yeah, in the grander scheme of things there an extra $3m might actually end up being a big deal.That 3 million dollar uncertainty may complicate the rest of the offseason for DD
It won't.That 3 million dollar uncertainty may complicate the rest of the offseason for DD
Yeah, there's no way that $3M is going to change anything the Red Sox are looking to do this winter. If they were determined to stay under the $197M cap, that would be one thing. Per Cot's calculator, they're projected to be at $194M right now without Betts. Even if they get him at their number, that puts them over the cap. Assuming their goal is simply to stay under the secondary cap of $237M, they've got some room to work with even if they sign Martinez.
Yes, Cots does include the benefits hit, unless the line item of "Est Player Benefits" for $14,044,600 is for something else. Without Betts and including benefits, Cot's has the Sox' CBT payroll at an estimated $194,784,600. And that is also with all other arb-eligible players at their exact 2018 pay.Cots isn't including the benefits hit. With that added in we are indeed already over the LT even without Betts, and likely push over the second cap of $237 in the event we sign JDM.
I agree. It’s pretty obvious that the goal this year is to stay under the secondary cap. But I think this goal has to be the main reason DDski’s holding to his line with Boras on JDM.Yeah, there's no way that $3M is going to change anything the Red Sox are looking to do this winter. If they were determined to stay under the $197M cap, that would be one thing. Per Cot's calculator, they're projected to be at $194M right now without Betts. Even if they get him at their number, that puts them over the cap. Assuming their goal is simply to stay under the secondary cap of $237M, they've got some room to work with even if they sign Martinez.
In-season trade or even adding Castillo to the MLB roster for the stretch run. His cost is over $1.9 million/monthI agree. It’s pretty obvious that the goal this year is to stay under the secondary cap. But I think this goal has to be the main reason DDski’s holding to his line with Boras on JDM.
A $26MM AAV for JDM plus Mookie winning his arb case at $10.5MM gives the Sox relatively little wiggle room to make in-season trades because it already puts them over $230 before Spring Training has even started. A $30MM AAV for JDM plus Mookie at $10.5MM would make absorbing significant salary at the deadline almost impossible.