Someone has to take the hit. Opie Steps up vs Giants
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I’ve seen bits of Jets-Giants, Jets-Patriots, Giants-Patriots this fall. It’s been unbearably bad. Catastrophically, horrifically bad. Yesterdays college games were an example of how transcendent the game can be at its best. This is unwatchable.
I mean I hope that is true. Even if they nail the draft and free agency they are so far from having a competitive roster I fear that we are looking at multiple years of this level of boring and suck.
I hope the Pats blow it up now and truly start the rebuild. I wanted them to try to thread the needle and rebuild on the fly while remaining competitive and they tried but now it’s clear they need a total overhaul.
Just sad. One thing I think that may be worth keeping in mind - BB has always said that players win games and coaches only put them in positions where they can do that. This team (indeed - all the teams since a certain No. 12 left) have consistently been in one score/one play games - they just lose them. Players don’t execute. Cam Newton fumbles on a potential game winning drive. We give Josh McDaniels his signature coaching moment by lateraling for a defensive touchdown. Mac throws the single worst interception in franchise history. A missed chip shot. This is simply another example of inability of players to execute. Yes - I know who chooses the players - but is there really anyone who you would rather have scheming for this defense once they’re healthy? Someone else who would have the institutional knowledge that could help develop a new quarterback next year? (Surprise! - there will be a new quarterback next year). There is not a huge pool of competent coaches out there - we have one that is going to the hall of fame - given the need to develop an entirely new offense next year why be in such a hurry to develop a new head coach as well?
How many times can a QB be benched before it's permanent? Hasn't he been benched like 3 or 4 times this year in the middle of a game?
Yeah, that is just this year too. He also got "benched" in that Chicago game last year, but I think they said it was health related. But another 3 or 4 times this year for sure.
Edit - no idea when it will be permanent. Maybe next year?
Do you trust BB to make good picks in next year's draft? If not, do you think BB is prepared to give up shopping for the groceries and just coaching ?
I think there are multiple threads where there is general agreement that the best outcome is a new GM and BB coaching, but I don't think it's possible.
It would be really cool if @BaseballJones, in a follow-up to his awesome book "53rd Man: Fighting to Make it in the NFL," could have another word with Matt Slater. I would really love to know what's running thru his mind right now. How does he lead/handle his business thru this debacle of a season? Is he thinking of his own football mortality? It's gotta be tough.
Great question. I'll try to ask him that and see what he says. I'm confident in two things: (1) That he will say this has been the hardest year of his career, and (2) he will have a phenomenal perspective. He's a believer that playing football professionally is a privilege, not a right or entitlement, and he recognizes that he's been blessed to have an incredible career filled with absolutely tons of winning. He won't like this year but he will have a grateful perspective nonetheless.
That's my guess anyway.
I understand what you’re saying but the honest reply on my end is that I trust him as much as I trust any of the alternatives. I thought Gonzalez was an excellent choice this year - and he gets injured. Get him an assistant GM with a personnel background or some equivalent help but I value stability over a roll of the dice. I’d rather be the Steelers than the Jets when it comes to hiring coaches.
BB is brilliant on defense. One of the best defensive minds in the history of the NFL.
He has no idea how to evaluate talent on offense. Especially now.
After drafting Jones in the 2021 draft and starting out 9-4, I thought this team had rebuilt on the fly post Brady; including a blowout playoff loss, they are 11-22 since, they are unwatchable, Jones is clearly not the answer.
They are the worst team in the AFC, second worst team in the entire NFL.
I do not trust nor do I want Belichick in charge of a rebuild, he'll find a way to fuck up a top 2 pick, zero confidence he's the guy going forward.
They have to do a complete rebuild from the ground up, this will be no rebuild on the fly/nail the 2024 draft/sign good free agent talent, they are years away from being competitive again.
Hello 1990 1-15 Patriots, this version is looking at a 2-15 record.
They are the worst team in the AFC, second worst team in the entire NFL.
I do not trust nor do I want Belichick in charge of a rebuild, he'll find a way to fuck up a top 2 pick, zero confidence he's the guy going forward.
They have to do a complete rebuild from the ground up, this will be no rebuild on the fly/nail the 2024 draft/sign good free agent talent, they are years away from being competitive again.
Hello 1990 1-15 Patriots, this version is looking at a 2-15 record.
Unless anyone else wants to start a forgotten thread, I volunteer to start the threads that lead the Patriots to losing the rest of the way. I know protocol here is winner each game gets to continue, but I submit, each loss is winning.
It’s very strange that this can be true but it seems like it is. To run a good defense that can stop the different type of schemes thrown at it and the players in those schemes you have to be able to scout the opposition so if he can scout the opposition offenses so well how does it make sense that he can’t identify talented offensive players? I don’t get it.
Setting WR Harry aside, is it mainly a matter of (mis)evaluation on offense, or more he just can't swallow paying the going rates for impact offensive talent in the NFL these days? This leads him to strain to make some odd moves that usually don't work out.
Remaining games...Chargers, Chiefs, Bills, Steelers, Jets and Broncos.... this will likely end at 2-15. I suppose they have a chance at beating the Chargers and the Jets. Both are at Gillette , not that it matters much. The other 4 teams are much better and playing for something.
The Patriots are playing for something as well... Bo Nix or Caleb Williams.
The Patriots are playing for something as well... Bo Nix or Caleb Williams.