Then someone needs to explain why they're equating games with days. Since when are 162 games necessarily played in 162 days? Otherwise there's no logic behind using 162/183 as the prorated amount.
Well he is getting paid about 3 million in a few days...glennhoffmania said:Perhaps, but it makes no sense that a guy would be suspended for an entire season, not get paid a dollar, yet the prorated salary for the off days would count against the cap.
YesWinger 03 said:So does that mean he can participate in off day activities?
sfip said:@gabekapler posts what won't but should happen to teams who sign someone who later gets suspended for PEDs. Link
terrisus said:
I've said it before, but, I think that if a player on a team is suspended for steroid use, the forfeited salary should be paid by the team into some sort of Anti-PED fund, so that the team still not only has it count against the cap, but also still has to spend the money.
Sure, there are going to be instances where the team has no clue at all. And others where they might have an idea, but think it's worth the risk (such as the emails from Epstein about Gagne before that trade). And others where it's glaringly obvious. But, with, for instance, there seeming to be backlash against the Jhonny Peralta contract, with players saying he shouldn't be rewarded right after coming off a PED suspension - and then obviously this instance with the Yankees loving to get out of some of Rodriguez' contract - if the teams had to worry about both losing a player, and still having to pay the money, maybe they would be a bit more careful themselves.
Scott Sizemore has signed a minor-league deal, reports Jon Heyman. Sizemore has torn his ACL in two consecutive seasons, but was productive for the A's as a second and third baseman back in 2011 once he was traded from Detroit. It's rather easy to see where the depth is needed at third (see the aforementioned nameless player).
glennhoffmania said:If that's really been the plan all along then the Beltran signing is even more curious. Presumably 2014 will be his best year, or at least the year in which you'd expect him to perform the best since he's 37. Why spend $15m for an old, declining OF when you're basically punting year one of the deal? Ellsbury and McCann can certainly be productive in subsequent years but the Beltran signing doesn't seem to fit with their long-term plan.
crow216 said:I don't think it's as unclear or muddied as most people. $189 or under if they can't get Tanaka. If they can get Tanaka and aren't outbid, they won't leave any holes on the field.
Cumberland Blues said:For tax purposes, why does A-Rod not simply count as (275-25)/10=25M? If it's AAV for cap purposes - that he's not getting paid this year (or perhaps getting paid 21/183 of his salary according to some reports) doesn't suddenly eliminate the other 9 years of the contract from the calculation. How is it that A-Rod doesn't count at all toward the cap now? That makes no sense.
Commish Office and union in agreement that A-Rod counts $3,155,737.70 toward luxury tax for #Yankees
I assumed $14mm for the arb candidates; the actual amount is $16.58mm ($5.6 - Gardner, $5.215 - Robertson, $3.3 - Nova, $1.765 - Kelley, $0.7 - Cervelli)amfox1 said:
My updated Yankees payroll (updated for Rodriguez suspension and updated arb estimates):
Rotation (43.40 AAV + FA) - Sabathia (24.40 AAV), Kuroda (16.00 AAV), FA, Nova (arb1, assume 2.50 AAV), Pineda (min, 0.50 AAV)
Bullpen (12.00 AAV) - Robertson (arb3, assume 5.00 AAV), Phelps (min, 0.50 AAV), Thornton (3.50 AAV), Kelley (arb2, assume 1.50 AAV), Warren (min, 0.50 AAV), Betances (min, 0.50 AAV), Claiborne (min, 0.50 AAV)
Lineup (102.17 AAV, net) – Ellsbury (21.86 AAV), Jeter (12.81 AAV), Beltran (15.00 AAV), Teixeira (22.50 AAV), Soriano (4.00 AAV, net of payment from CHC), McCann (17.00 AAV), Gardner (arb3, assume 4.00 AAV), Johnson (3.00 AAV), Roberts (2.00 AAV)
Bench (10.00 AAV) - Cervelli (arb1, assume 1.00 AAV), Ryan (2.00 AAV), Suzuki (6.50 AAV), Nunez/Sizemore (min, 0.50 AAV)
No longer on roster: Wells (0.00 AAV, net of payments from LAA/TOR), Rodriguez (3.16 AAV, net of suspension).
This assumes that bonuses for Jeter, Soriano, Kuroda and Roberts are not hit.
Total AAV is 170.73, plus 17.00 AAV in benefits/40 man roster.
That leaves approx. 1.27 AAV to fill out/upgrade the roster (including a 2/3 starter) and remain under the luxury tax threshold.
amfox1 said:I assumed $14mm for the arb candidates; the actual amount is $16.58mm ($5.6 - Gardner, $5.215 - Robertson, $3.3 - Nova, $1.765 - Kelley, $0.7 - Cervelli)
That puts total AAV at 173.31, plus 17.00 AAV in benefits/40 man roster, and puts the team 1.31mm over the luxury tax threshold.
rembrat said:The Ellsbury and Beltran signings did them in. Once Cano left they should have let Gardner be their CF, grab Tanaka & McCann and you have a shot at staying under.
amfox1 said:Total AAV is 170.73, plus 17.00 AAV in benefits/40 man roster.
That leaves approx. 1.27 AAV to fill out/upgrade the roster (including a 2/3 starter) and remain under the luxury tax threshold
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nattysez said:Idon't have time to compare amfox1's numbers with this guy's numbers, but the MFY have some work to do if they want to stay under $189.
glennhoffmania said:This might be a dumb question, but if a guy is making $10m and he's traded at the mid point of the season, does he count $5m toward the cap, or is it only based on payroll as of the end of the season?
Exactly. i would expect a spending spree for Tanaka Drew and Balfour timed with the date that individual game tickets go on sale for the Yankees.jon abbey said:They really seem to have no idea what they're doing in the big picture, like there are two groups of people making alternate decisions or something.
On the bright side, if these numbers are all correct, they have no real excuse to not go after Tanaka hard now.
mabrowndog said:
Pretty sure it's based on prorated service time in days, with 183 days in the full season.
glennhoffmania said:
That would make sense, but at the same time the acquiring team would presumably pay luxury tax based on AAV of the whole contract, not just based on what they pay the guy for half the season. So there seems to be an inconsistency.
jon abbey said:They really seem to have no idea what they're doing in the big picture, like there are two groups of people making alternate decisions or something.
On the bright side, if these numbers are all correct, they have no real excuse to not go after Tanaka hard now.
In my lifetime said:Cot's has the Yankees currently at : 172.1
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tpQLwiiQL4kzEzLhsUqVjLQ&output=html
That is for 18 players.
Approximating the other 22 at the minimum of ~.5 puts the Yankees at 183.1
Adding 11 in benefits, etc (People have quoted 17 here, but I think the figure is 11), puts them over at 194.
So unless they shed contracts during the season, which is very possible if they fall out of contention, it looks like the Yankees will be over
Clubs angling to sign Masahiro Tanaka made formal offers by Jan. 16, Nikkan Sports reports (Japanese link). The list of teams includes the Yankees, Dodgers, Diamondbacks, White Sox and Cubs, with nearly all clubs putting together offers worth more than $100MM over six years.
The Diamondbacks have made no secret of their pursuit of Tanaka this winter, and according to Nikkan, they've offered him a deal for six years and $120MM.
terrisus said:Plus the 50% luxury tax cost of that each year.
Sampo Gida said:Hard to say if the Yankees bid is anything more than a PR move to appease the fan base by saying they tried, like with Cano. If they want him I think they can outbid any team out there. Obviously that would blow 189 out of the water..Dodgers have the money too but I don't think they need Tanaka enough to overpay him as much and might feel they have the advantage of being Tanakas preference so come in low. Yankees have the need and the money. 10 yrs, 180 million with a 6 yr optout should do it. Tanaka would be age 34 at the end of 10 years and his 18 million AAV would be about 12 million in 2014 dollars.
crow216 said:I'll throw this in here for now. No idea how this affects his pitching. Also, he looks like the new Cubs mascot.