If Davis were to become available this season, I have little doubt that Ainge would send Kyrie, as part of the package, to New Orleans in a beignet heartbeat. Assuming he is still here, Terry would then get the keys to the castle.
But how does that make sense for New Orleans?If Davis were to become available this season, I have little doubt that Ainge would send Kyrie, as part of the package, to New Orleans in a beignet heartbeat. Assuming he is still here, Terry would then get the keys to the castle.
Three of those he could have said without getting fined. It's only the last that requires being vague. So, I agree with your conclusion.(maybe Terry is talking, via Twitter, to sports radio)
Let's do us ALL a favor...
and not overreact to a slow start?
and not speculate on trading me?
and let the season play out?
after reading those, its probably "and trade me now"
It would hurt but this only works if Ainge parts with significant assets. Horford, Kyrie and Jaylen for Davis and Holiday works under trade rules. Ainge would have to include some form of picks too. Its unlikely to happen but if Davis gets frustrated who knows.But how does that make sense for New Orleans?
Unlikely Kyrie would stay there.
They're renting him for their superstar?
This is correct. The issue in this thread is that that stops the Celtics from making any AD move (that doesn't include Kyrie) in the meantime.I believe both Kyrie and AD could be on the team next season, as Kyrie will have entered free agency by that point. But that's a long ways away for a team that has some issues that need addressing.
Then again, you could blink and win if AD isn't dealt.They are certainly two of the square pegs in this circle of a roster. It's like Ainge and Magic don't want to do a thing with AD still a Pelican. Whoever blinks first here loses.....and if you don't blink you still may lose.
2nd prize is a set of steak knives. 3rd prize is you're fired!Then again, you could blink and win if AD isn't dealt.
I'd be all in favor of a Ntilikina trade for exactly those reasons. The Knicks are the exact type of team that could go for this too. In addition, Frank's skillset is such that if he played 15-20 mins/game for the next 2 years, he'd be very resignable in RFA--he's not the kind of guy teams really dream on.I know we've discussed this in other threads......trying to keep Rozier stuff localized (I'm as guilty of hijacking as anyone if not more).
I threw out some teams who may want to move a rotation/bench guard to give Rozier the keys this year as their potential long-term 1. I specifically used Orlando as a match where Boston would receive an additional year of control on DJ Augustin if the Magic really liked Rozier. GM's dislike trading within Conference and especially within Division but Ainge as much as anyone is secure enough in his position to possibly weigh this factor less than most. What about the Knicks for Ntilikina's 2 additional years of control? He's a multi-positional defender that Ainge/Stevens love while not requiring shots to create a better roster balance. In addition, he's probably available as he wasn't drafted by the current Knicks leadership.
If Ainge is committed to moving him by the deadline (just go with this) having two years of a young, long, athletic multi-positional defender who has been in a dysfunctional situation ever since he entered the league would seem to be a pretty awesome return for a guy not in our future plans. C'mon Knicks you know Terry is your PG of the future!
I think Smart is quickly solidifying himself as the glue to our FIRST unit. At least with my Ntilikina plan that is where he'd be playing. I'm really high on his defensive potential and in todays game switchy long perimeter defenders of multiple positions are in great demand on contenders. Worst case we have a deep bench wing insurance guy for next year.....best case is we really have a modern day Bruce Bowen in a few years. Low risk, High reward with 2+ years of control is what I like here.I don't see how Ntilikina and Smart could co-exist on that 2nd unit. Talk about no spacing. From a pure value play, it makes some sense.
Gotcha. Knicks fans in NYC basically think Ntilikina is a waste. I see some potential here and I think we could extract more value as well. The NY Post just ran an article saying how scouts are calling him "soft". Guy is in a new country and is 20 years-old. Would love for the Knicks to give up on him.I think Smart is quickly solidifying himself as the glue to our FIRST unit. At least with my Ntilikina plan that is where he'd be playing.
Of course his style of play is a waste on a lottery team. This is why someone like Ariza and those skillset types are so valuable in their role on a winning team while being a waste in the clusterf* situations. The other factor here which is likely affecting his confidence is that "his guys" who drafted him are long gone and not here to support their investment.Gotcha. Knicks fans in NYC basically think Ntilikina is a waste. I see some potential here and I think we could extract more value as well. The NY Post just ran an article saying how scouts are calling him "soft". Guy is in a new country and is 20 years-old. Would love for the Knicks to give up on him.
Could you elaborate?Also, he's being sued for the Scary Terry stuff.
It's a reference to the Rick and Morty episode "Lawnmower Dog".Could you elaborate?
I'm not even familiar with the original of "scary Terry" as a nickname. Is it a reference, or a moniker given to him directly?
That's what Rozier did in a recent Q&A with The Athletic's Jay King when asked how tough it's been for each player to "sacrifice"on a crowded roster this season.
"It's definitely tough, man," Rozier told King. "It's definitely tough. Some guys have more leeway than others, and that's just what it is. That's on a lot of teams."
Rozier essentially admitted the Celtics play favorites, and he's certainly lower on the pecking order as the backup to All-Star Kyrie Irving
Veterans, the highest paid players and the highest draft picks have been given preferential treatment since the league began. It has existed in some form since Naismith. Nice revelation Terry lol."play favorites" usually means "...in spite of evidence that would alter the decision, were it meritocratic".
If he thinks he's better than Kyrie Irving or Gordon Hayward, he's the only one.
This is all heat of the moment stuff when they are competing. That's a far different phenomenon then how you feel off the floor when all of those other dangerous and negative thoughts are running through your head.I would be reading way more into these comments if he didn't just give Hayward a Gatorade bath. Hayward was clearly the recipient of unearned minutes early on, and if Rozier truly resented that, then it doesn't make a ton of sense that he'd celebrate his coming out party.
I just want people to read that again, for how absolutely absurd it is. How many other people in the last 50 years, besides Bo Jackson, have made the top flight of two pro leagues?Ainge, as a former professional athlete in two major professional leagues...
I just want people to read that again, for how absolutely absurd it is. How many other people in the last 50 years, besides Bo Jackson, have made the top flight of two pro leagues?
(and yes, this is partly just setting up pins for a Mookie gif... but I'm also curious if there are any others)
Isn't this almost a carbon copy of the Reggie Jackson situation? Westbrook tears his ACL in the 2013 playoffs, Jackson starts in his place and does well, which cements his value as a starting caliber PG. The next season (2013-2014), Jackson starts until Westbrook is ready to come back and starts grousing a bit once he returns to bench because he knows he's capable of starting and has free agency approaching.Ainge, as a former professional athlete in two major professional leagues - especially at a time when the money wasn't quite what it is today - likely understands better than most what guys like Rozier are thinking in contract years. As such, I expect him to manage this situation pretty well. If Rozier's concerns over his future are negatively impacting the team and Ainge feels that there is no way to mitigate it, there will be a trade. However its undeniable that an efficient Rozier makes the team's roster better so the Cs aren't just going to give him away.
There is an argument to be made to Rozier's camp that his current role with the shot at winning won't cost him money and may likely boost his value. Most NBA GMs are pretty shrewd these days and many front-offices have scouting/analytics departments who are digging a little deeper than PPG to evaluate players. Regardless of what Rozier's numbers look like at the end of the year, his market should be pretty established by now given his skill-set. Teams will look at him for his potential and fit going forward - not what he did as a reserve for the Celtics.
Of course, its easy to understand how Rozier's camp might not see it that way. Hopefully Ainge and Stevens can convince them otherwise.
You are totally correct but there is something about a reference to a haul that includes Singler's name that makes me laugh. We discussed this last season here but Kyle Singler got paid ~ $25mm for his NBA career before OKC unceremoniously stretched his ass this past summer. That is pretty remarkable for a guy who was mostly around to wave towels from the bench.OKC got a haul for Jackson. Kanter, Augustin, Singler, and Novak.
Agreed.Isn't this almost a carbon copy of the Reggie Jackson situation?
My prediction here is that Ainge, Stevens, and Rozier all play nice in the sand box until February at which point Rozier, like Jackson a few years ago, gets dealt to the highest bidder.
Jim Thorpe. And there is some evidence out there he also played for a barnstorming basketball team.Mark Hendrickson was the last MLB/NBA player but he went from basketball to baseball.
And a garbage human beingJim Brown. The greatest lacrosse player ever, and not a bad halfback.
https://www.si.com/nfl/jim-brown-nfl-hall-fame-syracuse-lacrosse
Speaking of being gifted minutes for one reason or another. Ainge was handed a starting job as a 20-year old after putting up a ,553 OPS in AAA the year before because the Blue Jays knew if they didn't hand him the job he'd leave for the NBA.I just want people to read that again, for how absolutely absurd it is. How many other people in the last 50 years, besides Bo Jackson, have made the top flight of two pro leagues?
(and yes, this is partly just setting up pins for a Mookie gif... but I'm also curious if there are any others)
Let's not forget our own Gene Conley back in the 60's(?). John Elway and Russell Wilson both played a couple of years in the minors as well. Brian Jordan may have been the most underrated of them all......he was REALLY good in the NFL and MLB.Next year you'll be able to add Tim Tebow, probably.
Drew Henson is another. There are a bunch.
I’ve always wondered why Ainge was in the majors so young. If he was just Tim Tebow, why would Toronto have been so afraid of losing him? Maybe he played a great 2B?Speaking of being gifted minutes for one reason or another. Ainge was handed a starting job as a 20-year old after putting up a ,553 OPS in AAA the year before because the Blue Jays knew if they didn't hand him the job he'd leave for the NBA.
Great athlete for sure but let's not confuse him with a real baseball player. I mean he was like a Tebow in that sport.
He was a nice prospect, they were awful, and the team had a very small window for Ainge to be successful or lose him to the NBA. Here's how it went down.....I’ve always wondered why Ainge was in the majors so young. If he was just Tim Tebow, why would Toronto have been so afraid of losing him? Maybe he played a great 2B?
Advanced stats like RPM, BPM, Vorp, WS/48, +/- all say he's significantly worse though, at least in the sense of contributing to winning basketball. Maybe that's as simple as not meshing with teammates for some reason, I really don't know. He sure looked good against Philly though.Since 1/23: 22 games, 23.7 minutes, .426/.378/.800, 11.1 points, 4.1 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 1.0 steals.
in March: 9 games, 21.9 minutes, .465/.367/.500, 11.4 points, 3.4 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 0.9 steals.
For the year: 22.9 minutes, .390/.355/.788, 9.2 points, 4.0 rebounds, 3.0 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.9 TO
Last year: 25.9 minutes, .395/.381/.772, 11.3 points, 4.7 rebounds, 2.9 assists, 1.0 steals, 1.0 TO.
Rate Stats
18-19: 9.4% Rebound, 17.9% assists, 1.9% steals, 1.1% blocks, 8.7% TO, 18.8% usage
17-18: 9.9% Rebound, 17.5% assists, 1.9% steals, 0.8% blocks, 8.5% TO, 20.4% usage
Basically the same player outside of 3 point %, which could easily be variance.
Whether it is Rozier not meshing with teammates or teammates not meshing with Rozier he's undeservedly been the scapegoat around here, especially in game threads, by those blaming him for everything that hasn't gone right. He's the poster child for the "Too much talent can be a bad thing" movement in this league......as could this team without playoff success this spring.Advanced stats like RPM, BPM, Vorp, WS/48, +/- all say he's significantly worse though, at least in the sense of contributing to winning basketball. Maybe that's as simple as not meshing with teammates for some reason, I really don't know. He sure looked good against Philly though.