Not accurate.
Had first round grade on Tom Brady.
Polian said they didn't consider him because they had Manning.
Not accurate.
When you have another team's draft picks posted in a thread -- you are owned heart and soul.The Gang Green is great window into what the Pats have done to the psyche of rival fanbases...they are ruined...amazing
http://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/the-empire-will-be-gone-in-1-year.88260/
I don't see the Pats in GFIN mode, and here's why.When you have another team's draft picks posted in a thread -- you are owned heart and soul.
Some of these posts are decent. Like the ones that say forget the Pats, the Jets need to worry about the Jets. And the one that recognizes the Pats needed talent upgrade to maintain their place relative to everyone else.
The interesting posts speculate that Pats are in GFIN mode, and that bailing on a strong draft is unPatlike. Don't think that is right, but it's also not crazy.
Fair amount of discussion on that on WFAN the past few days as well, both callers and fleshed out by hosts.The interesting posts speculate that Pats are in GFIN mode, and that bailing on a strong draft is unPatlike. Don't think that is right, but it's also not crazy.
Edit. GG certainly not alone in the "shock and awe" take on our offseason. That was the take by that NFLN panel, and it's now dominant theme of ESPN football page. Reiss says it looks like GFIN.
You forgot... an exceptionally promising young, handsome QB, stashed away in BB's closet.1. Bah, humbug: Close your eyes and imagine this, Jets fans: You wake up, look under your free-agent Christmas tree and find ...
One of the premier cornerbacks on the market -- a replacement for Darrelle Revis.
A tight end for your new West Coast offense.
A playmaking wide receiver to replace Brandon Marshall.
A speedy edge rusher to complement Leonard Williams and Muhammad Wilkerson.
A fantasy-football wish list? Not really. The New England Patriots made it a reality with an uncharacteristic display of early activity, acquiring cornerback Stephon Gilmore, tight end Dwayne Allen, wide receiver Brandin Cooks and pass-rusher Kony Ealy.
Bill Belichick is the Grinch who stole the Jets' Christmas ...
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/67433/sobering-reality-for-jets-bill-belichick-is-dominating-the-offseason-too
What do you mean "I" forgot???You forgot... an exceptionally promising young, handsome QB, stashed away in BB's closet.
I don't get it. The Pats won the Super Bowl with a pretty young team, so how much room for many draft picks this year.? The receiving corps was relatively old, however, and BB moved to make it younger. The Pats going from a typical 0 on prominent FA signings to a 1 hardly indicates a major sea change.Fair amount of discussion on that on WFAN the past few days as well, both callers and fleshed out by hosts.
I too thought you were writing that until I saw the link.What do you mean "I" forgot???
"The Patriots," as an entity, are even more of a celebrity after the SBLI win than they were during Deflategate. They get celebrity coverage, particularly in NY-centric media. Every move is bigger than it is on paper; every storyline is given more gravitas than many of them deserve. It's the nature of the beast, and the timesI don't get it. The Pats won the Super Bowl with a pretty young team, so how much room for many draft picks this year.? The receiving corps was relatively old, however, and BB moved to make it younger. The Pats going from a typical 0 on prominent FA signings to a 1 hardly indicates a major sea change.
Excellent, L-R! Haman's "ear" and a football's "air" sound pretty much alike - Mortensen's ear was deflated such that he couldn't hear the correct information about the ideal gas law's impact on innocent footballs. As regards the prunes, it is humor like yours that keeps this site going.Bernard: you left out "in the role of Chris Mortensen, a prune hamentashen."
Dealing Butler would be opposite of GFIN. Instead, such a deal would be very much in line with Pats past SOP.Way to early in the offseason to evaluate overall strategy, particularly this offseason. GFIN discussion looks a lot different if Butler and Jimmy G are dealt for picks and that's where I think we are heading
I believe that's what Stitch is saying. That the current GFIN palaver ends if Butler is dealtDealing Butler would be opposite of GFIN. Instead, such a deal would be very much in line with Pats past SOP.
Oops, carry on.I believe that's what Stitch issuing. That the current GFIN palaver ends if Butler is dealt
I think this is right. They've traded a bunch of draft picks, but the players they've added have been young. There's no reason to think anything they've done this offseason will negatively impact their ability to field a good team four or five years from now.I have the same reaction to the notion that the Pats are in some kind of special GFIN mode that Belichick had to the notion that Tom was trying extra hard last year.
Tom always gives full effort and is 100 percent focused on winning, and I think that Bill always has the twin goals of winning a Super Bowl and building for the future so he can sustain the winning.
All possible. And also possible, they are weighting the next two years a little more than the subsequent 2-3. I don't think saying that requires one to believe in full GFIN hysteria---it just reflects a higher delta at QB slot as you get farther out in time, and given importance of the role a slightly higher discount rate for future years than they might have used in the past. So getting more sure-thing production next two years is worth a little more than in the past, and that's ok by me...there is clearly no huge dumping the future going on here to date.I think this is right. They've traded a bunch of draft picks, but the players they've added have been young. There's no reason to think anything they've done this offseason will negatively impact their ability to field a good team four or five years from now.
That said, the moves have been out of character. My suspicion is that while normally they feel like the bargains are found a few days after FA opens, with the increased cap space so many teams have, they figured the bargains would be early. We're seeing the sort of flattening in salary that the NBA has, where the superstars sign for X and the second-tier guys sign for 85% of X and the superstars actually become the bargain contracts at a lot of positions (to leave the Pats totally out of this, look at LT - Whitworth, Okung, Reiff, Kalil all signed for essentially the same AAV).
I don't know how to interpret them trading draft picks, but I do think the quality of the draft has been overblown. The Combine was not kind to the RBs, DLs, and edge rushers, three of the groups that were supposed to be strong. QB, OL, WR, and off-ball LB were already considered pretty weak. They may see this as 2013 redux. Or maybe they think they can find guys in the middle rounds they like just as much as the early rounds. Or maybe they think the rising cap means having 5 years of cost control on a first-rounder doesn't mean as much as it used to.
When I look at the moves, Cooks is the only one I see as GFINy. Ealy cost them only 8 picks and he's replacing two older players (Long and Sheard). Swapping Bennett for Allen is the antithesis of GFIN, as Allen isn't quite as good as Bennett but is younger and cheaper. Swapping Ryan for Gilmore isn't really GFIN - it's a long-term investment in a better player who makes $3 MM / year more annually but is only six months older. I guess you could say re-signing Branch is GFIN given his age, but the contract is modest and he was really good. Ditto the modest deals for Develin and Harmon and Guy. And we still don't know what will happen with Hightower or Butler or Garoppolo.All possible. And also possible, they are weighting the next two years a little more than the subsequent 2-3. I don't think saying that requires one to believe in full GFIN hysteria---it just reflects a higher delta at QB slot as you get farther out in time, and given importance of the role a slightly higher discount rate for future years than they might have used in the past. So getting more sure-thing production next two years is worth a little more than in the past, and that's ok by me...there is clearly no huge dumping the future going on here to date.
Yes, my comment was about possibly weighting next couple years a little more than normal. That applies to Cooks, Ealy, Branch, and effectively Gilmore given their deals. One can argue otherwise on any of those too--just a possibility. Do not think there's logic to arguing they are in any full in GFIN status.When I look at the moves, Cooks is the only one I see as GFINy. Ealy cost them only 8 picks and he's replacing two older players (Long and Sheard). Swapping Bennett for Allen is the antithesis of GFIN, as Allen isn't quite as good as Bennett but is younger and cheaper. Swapping Ryan for Gilmore isn't really GFIN - it's a long-term investment in a better player who makes $3 MM / year more annually but is only six months older. I guess you could say re-signing Branch is GFIN given his age, but the contract is modest and he was really good. Ditto the modest deals for Develin and Harmon and Guy. And we still don't know what will happen with Hightower or Butler or Garoppolo.
EDIT: And the GFIN theory really weakens if you take a longer timeline than this offseason, considering they dealt away Jones and Collins in the last year, which created the cap room for doing all the stuff they've done this offseason and added draft picks / young players.
Not accurate.
Had first round grade on Tom Brady.
Polian said they didn't consider him because they had Manning.
Funny ones are funny. That one, on the other hand...Yeah that last banner is too cute by half...could we just stop with the remaking of the banner jokes. We get it..it isn't funny anymore..
That's the best part though.Feel like we are poisoning a joyous thread with a completely separate discussion. Clicking here should never result in me doubting BB. Ever.
New GFIN thread?
Thanks for this. I love Vince. Had to watch the whole thing, and then re-watch Donald Jones and the BF a few more times just for (kind of maniacal) giggles...I had forgotten, until I watched the Wilfork video below, that the ButtFumble was actually the second time Wilfork had used a Jets lineman's ass to cause a scoring play fumble that year. In October he used Matthew Slauson's tush to disrupt a handoff between Sanchez and Green and get a safety. Of course in November he turned Brandon Moore into a human rump missile and dislodged the ball from Sanchez with a resultant TD. There's an excellent shot of the latter BF in the video below which really shows the extraordinary degree to which Wilfork maximized the acceleration of Moore's gluteus. The Jets plays commence at 2:58 but start at 2:45 to watch what Wilfork did to Donald Jones.
“As time goes on, I think, it’s actually not harder [to compete],” Parcells explained. “It’s easier, because his experience is so much greater and he’s been through two or three cycles of players, so he can reference back to the kinds of players that have been successful for him before and try to integrate similar ones into the system for the future. That’s what all of us basically try to do."
How he viewed Patriots' early performance: "The Super Bowl, for me, and I know you've been in these games before and you can relate to this: There are some games you feel like you're in control of the game, but you're not in control of the score. That's kind of the way I felt in the Super Bowl. We moved the ball. We were able to stop them on third down. I didn't feel like we were being dominated on the field. But we were being dominated on the scoreboard. Vice versa, I've coached other games where we might be ahead by 14 points, but I felt like it was because they turned the ball over a couple times, or maybe we couldn't really stop them, or we couldn't really run the ball or control the line of scrimmage, so I didn't feel like we had control of the game, even though the scoreboard might indicate that. I'm sure you've had that feeling too, where you look up at the scoreboard, and it is what it is. But if that's the same score in a different game, you might have a different feeling. ... That didn't really happen for me in the Super Bowl. We tried to stay with what we were doing, except for defensively, once we got into the fourth quarter, we just became a little more aggressive with our calls, took a free safety out of the middle of the field and put him into coverage and just tried to press things a little tighter to create a negative play. Fortunately, we were able to get a couple of negative plays, which helped us in a couple of those series in the fourth quarter."
Finally, some confirmation that he's a vampire who perpetuates his own grotesque existence by consuming the souls of the young."I enjoy working with young people. That certainly keeps me young, even though the gap's widening. And I do my best to absolutely take on the whole social-media thing, you know, head on, on a collision course. But other than that, being with young people certainly keeps you young, and that's been important for me. I'm sure you feel the same way."
I dunno. Boyce really sucked. And the Vikings chose Cordarelle Patterson. Oops. Someone will need to compile a list of all these moves - always fascinating to revisit after the fact.Not sure where else to put this, but was reading an interesting article about how the 2013 draft had a horrible first round. That was the draft where BB traded the 29th pick to Minnesota in exchange for 52, 83, 102, and 229. Seemed like a questionable move at the time. Then BB took:
Collins at 52
Ryan at 83
Boyce at 102
Traded 229 along with Demps for LGBT
Steal.
Are we really going to do this again? Of course Boyce sucked. That doesn't mean the Pats didn't have a good draft. And Cordarelle Patterson isn't that good. If he was, he would still be a Viking.I dunno. Boyce really sucked. And the Vikings chose Cordarelle Patterson. Oops. Someone will need to compile a list of all these moves - always fascinating to revisit after the fact.
I think he was being sarcasticAre we really going to do this again? Of course Boyce sucked. That doesn't mean the Pats didn't have a good draft. And Cordarelle Patterson isn't that good. If he was, he would still be a Viking.