The Falcons are 23-24 since Super Bowl LI. The Patriots just sent the organization into a tailspin.
Fair point. They still probably lose but that play basically erased any chance the 2013 team had of winning.I will also remember Welker taking out Talib.
I'm not sure if you're joking or not (23-24 is average, not a tailspin), but the Falcons were 25-23 in the three seasons leading into SB LI (including the 2016 regular season), and they were 4-12 the year before that. Like a lot of teams, they are up-and-down, and their SB appearance represents a high point.The Falcons are 23-24 since Super Bowl LI. The Patriots just sent the organization into a tailspin.
I've said for years I think they are the reason that Philip Rivers doesn't make the Hall of Fame. Maybe Matt Ryan and a few others as well.Just think how many non-Patriots had the misfortune of playing during this era and never even sniffed a Super Bowl due to the Pats' dominance. Sad!
And at the same time, the reason folks talk about Eli making the hall. I honestly think if his 2 SBs were against other teams, that discussion wouldn’t be occurring.I've said for years I think they are the reason that Philip Rivers doesn't make the Hall of Fame. Maybe Matt Ryan and a few others as well.
I like the sentiment but I can’t agree. Regardless of the opponent the family name and legacy combined with two SB victories and the revolving door that is Canton is probably enough.And at the same time, the reason folks talk about Eli making the hall. I honestly think if his 2 SBs were against other teams, that discussion wouldn’t be occurring.
You don’t think any of the discussion touches on stopping New England on the road to 19? I’m sure it’s a large part of any Eli highlight package. But, maybe you’re right, name and 2 victories may have been enough on its own.I like the sentiment but I can’t agree. Regardless of the opponent the family name and legacy combined with two SB victories and the revolving door that is Canton is probably enough.
Yes, any QB playing in NY who gets 2 rings is going to get serious HoF consideration.And the Giants.
Certainly putting an end to the Patriots’ undefeated season is a big part of Eli’s legacy. Dammit that one still stings - why couldn’t Harrison break up the pass to Tyree! However even if it was San Diego that the Giants beat in the Super Bowl that year and if they prevailed over the Ravens in Super Bowl XLVI two Super Bowl titles was going to be enough to get Eli the golf HOF jacket.You don’t think any of the discussion touches on stopping New England on the road to 19? I’m sure it’s a large part of any Eli highlight package. But, maybe you’re right, name and 2 victories may have been enough on its own.
You’re probably right. I just experience a significant amount of Patriots hate that I get the sense that a lot of NFL fans were pretty happy to see the Giants beat the Patriots which contributes to the over-inflation of Eli’s abilities in the minds of those fans as well as HOF voters at large.Certainly putting an end to the Patriots’ undefeated season is a big part of Eli’s legacy. Dammit that one still stings - why couldn’t Harrison break up the pass to Tyree! However even if it was San Diego that the Giants beat in the Super Bowl that year and if they prevailed over the Ravens in Super Bowl XLVI two Super Bowl titles was going to be enough to get Eli the golf HOF jacket.
I wish I could hate Eli more. But my middle name is “Eliot,” so I have a soft spot for him.You’re probably right. I just experience a significant amount of Patriots hate that I get the sense that a lot of NFL fans were pretty happy to see the Giants beat the Patriots which contributes to the over-inflation of Eli’s abilities in the minds of those fans as well as HOF voters at large.
Eli was better or batter? Because I’m not sure he was either.I wish I could hate Eli more. But my middle name is “Eliot,” so I have a soft spot for him.
That and my brother liked him. Like, it annoyed him that Peyton was more famous when Eli was batter. And he’s not wrong, yeah?
I’m just glad my autocorrect didn’t come up with “Battier” since I was just in Celtics forum.Eli was better or batter? Because I’m not sure he was either.
It was edited later to add Ben Watson.Tom Brady, Julian Edelman, Matthew Slater, Devin McCourty, and Patrick Chung are the only 5 active Patriots who haven’t reached the AFC Championship every year of their Patriots career.
Losers. Pick it up, guys.I thought this was a pretty amazing tidbit
It was edited later to add Ben Watson.
Yeah, Welker of course. Apple corrects it.Welker, you mean? Anyone who thinks his time here was defined by one play is an idiot, he was a linchpin for 6 years. That'd be like saying Shaq Mason's career here was defined by getting beat for the strip-sack that decided SB 52. You can go out of your way to look at things through a contrived negative light if you like, but (A) that's no way to enjoy being a fan, and (B) is pretty much a willful misrepresentation of what a player meant to the Patriots.
This may be a nitpick but I don’t think anyone thinks it was a bad season; more that finishing 12-4 after the 8-0 start is a bit of a failure, especially given that they lost at home to a lousy team with a bye on the line. By most counts they had a better season than in 2018 but they had more luck in terms of the AFC playoff field. If they had won 24-20 yesterday as ugly as that was then I don’t thing a single person would be saying down season.Before 2004, the Patriots had never won more than 11 games in any regular season. They'd won 11 games in 1976, 1978, 1985, 1986, 1996, and 2001. Never more than that.
Before 2003, the Patriots had never had a #1 ranked scoring defense.
They've never had a #1 ranked yardage defense in the NFL.
This year they finished 12-4, with the #1 ranked scoring defense and the #1 ranked yardage defense, with the 4th best point differential in franchise history (2007, 2012, and 2010 were better).
For those of us old enough to remember, this season would have been considered unfathomable for this franchise for decades. Now, it's considered a bad season.
Thanks. Made the proper correction.The Sox won in 07. It’s pretty amazing though. We are very lucky.
And if you did this with Conference Championship appearances, that whole chart would basically be filled every year. The city has basically had a team in Final 2 or 4 in a major sport every year for 2 decades. Remarkable.Since 2000, these are the years Boston’s main four pro teams have won championships (the year in which the title was actually won)...
2001 - Pats
2002
2003
2004 - Pats, Sox
2005 - Pats
2006
2007 - Sox
2008 - Celtics
2009
2010
2011 - Bruins
2012
2013 - Sox
2014
2015 - Pats
2016
2017 - Pats
2018 - Sox
2019 - Pats
Pretty damned good. Plus five other finals appearances (Pats 2008, 2012, 2018), Bruins (2013, 2019), Celtics (2010).
Corrected the Sox winning in 07 not 08. Major error there.
Amazing. The Bruins were a Game 7 win away from 3 of the 4 teams holding the trophy at the same time.Since 2000, these are the years Boston’s main four pro teams have won championships (the year in which the title was actually won)...
2001 - Pats
2002
2003
2004 - Pats, Sox
2005 - Pats
2006
2007 - Sox
2008 - Celtics
2009
2010
2011 - Bruins
2012
2013 - Sox
2014
2015 - Pats
2016
2017 - Pats
2018 - Sox
2019 - Pats
Pretty damned good. Plus five other finals appearances (Pats 2008, 2012, 2018), Bruins (2013, 2019), Celtics (2010).
Corrected the Sox winning in 07 not 08. Major error there.
Maybe only I have this criteria, but I consider a season to be a relative success if a team makes their sport's final four.And if you did this with Conference Championship appearances, that whole chart would basically be filled every year. The city has basically had a team in Final 2 or 4 in a major sport every year for 2 decades. Remarkable.
So the Pats’ worst season is the Browns’ median season and their 2nd worst season was the Browns’ 2nd best. Pretty amazing.
Philly had peak McNabb for most of that run, and then Wentz for the last four years. It hasn't been that bad. I grant you Baltimore, Flacco at best was maybe 10th best in the league.In such a QB-centric league, that graphic gives me new appreciation for the coaching staffs in Philly and Baltimore over this time period.
Conveniently sampling the Top 9 teams on the list, those two stand out for the relative lack of elite QB play compared to the other 7. I think it's impressive to look back and see those two teams ahead of Brees, Wilson, and (briefly) Peyton Manning-led franchises.
I don't consider peak McNabb at all equivalent to Brady, Ben, Favre/Rodgers, Manning/Luck, Brees, Wilson, or Old Manning. Wentz has had 4 years, as you say, but two are partial ones due to injury. Given what Andy Reid has done since his time in Philly (Alex Smith!), I think McNabb is more of a case in favor of Philly's coaching/roster building acumen during his time there than he is a point for elite QB play being behind their overall level success since 2000.Philly had peak McNabb for most of that run, and then Wentz for the last four years. It hasn't been that bad. I grant you Baltimore, Flacco at best was maybe 10th best in the league.
Shouldn't the colors be reversed? i.e. good = hot = red. bad = cold = blue?
Pretty sure Joe Flacco considered himself to be "elite"In such a QB-centric league, that graphic gives me new appreciation for the coaching staffs in Philly and Baltimore over this time period.
Conveniently sampling the Top 9 teams on the list, those two stand out for the relative lack of elite QB play compared to the other 7. I think it's impressive to look back and see those two teams ahead of Brees, Wilson, and (briefly) Peyton Manning-led franchises.
Ah yes, the golden era of NFL QB memes.Pretty sure Joe Flacco considered himself to be "elite"
Only seemed to be one where he adjusted it upwards. Otherwise, he was always pushing them down.Maybe not the best thread for this but I love Bill and he should be celebrated.
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I know, right? The part (well there's a lot to be honest) that really gets me is that the NFL is so quick to correct errors (how many times this year did they announce that a ref got a call wrong? ... well, except when the Pats got hosed in the KC game), but when Mortensen made that "11 of 12" comment the NFL *KNEW* it was wrong, and let it hang out there. Just let that be the narrative even though they knew it was incorrect.Fuck Mortensen.