Ed Hillel said:
I just gave my wife a fist bump. I have not been this psyched for a Patriots player debut in a loooooong time.
Ed Hillel said:
Is he like a family friend or something?riboflav said:
I just gave my wife a fist bump. I have not been this psyched for a Patriots player debut in a loooooong time.
Put it back in your pants, he's not playing today.riboflav said:
I just gave my wife a fist bump. I have not been this psyched for a Patriots player debut in a loooooong time.
FL4WL3SS said:Put it back in your pants, he's not playing today.
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4769917/analysis-from-patriots-inactive-playersRIrooter09 said:
Where are you getting that? He's not listed as inactive.
Super Nomario said:Is he like a family friend or something?
Stitch01 said:I'd be more excited if he ran anything but 9 routes but that was awesome
He's been with Brady for a week, so let's give him some time. He'd have had another huge catch if Brady hadn't overthrown him early. He's coming down with a jump ball there, especially since the defender hadn't turned around.Stitch01 said:I'd be more excited if he ran anything but 9 routes but that was awesome
I mean, I watched preseason too. I hope he's awesome, but lets not put the UDFA free agent in the pro bowl yetriboflav said:It was his first game. Calm down.
Yeah that play was awesome and then can use a guy like that in the offense. No doubt. His role is just limited until he can run the whole route tree.Ed Hillel said:He's been with Brady for a week, so let's give him some time. He'd have had another huge catch if Brady hadn't overthrown him early. He's coming down with a jump ball there, especially since the defender hadn't turned around.
Yeah he was talking about Tyms, not Browner.FL4WL3SS said:
At this point, barring injuries, Gronk, Edelman, Lafell, and a RB are going to be playing the vast majority of snaps. I think Tyms is basically a guy that rotates into that 5th skill position slot, along with Develin, Wright, Amendola, and Dobson. Tyms is pretty one-dimensional but gives the defense something different to think about and hopefully helps open up stuff underneath if opposing safeties have to respect the go route.Stitch01 said:I don't mean to come across as shitting on him, he's a great story and adds something to the offense, but I don't see him playing in most two and three WR sets this season. If he could do that I'd be ridiculously pumped instead of being happy to add a complimentary piece/ dimension. Its similar to with Tim Wright, nice piece for this year but complimentary.
I like his you're telling people to calm down after announcing Tyms as a more exciting debut than Revis (unless 6 weeks is sooooo long ago) and telling haterz to suck it.riboflav said:
It was his first game. Calm down.
Totally agree with all of that. Happy to have him providing value, just trying to say that a complementary role is the right expectation IMHOMorgan said:At this point, barring injuries, Gronk, Edelman, Lafell, and a RB are going to be playing the vast majority of snaps. I think Tyms is basically a guy that rotates into that 5th skill position slot, along with Develin, Wright, Amendola, and Dobson. Tyms is pretty one-dimensional but gives the defense something different to think about and hopefully helps open up stuff underneath if opposing safeties have to respect the go route.
amarshal2 said:I like his you're telling people to calm down after announcing Tyms as a more exciting debut than Revis (unless 6 weeks is sooooo long ago) and telling haterz to suck it.
It was 1 catch. Hope he can continue to add that dimension. But calm down.
You may be right, but he is already an improvement over Slater as the guy to run a Go route.Stitch01 said:Yeah that play was awesome and then can use a guy like that in the offense. No doubt. His role is just limited until he can run the whole route tree.
More importantly than him just running 9 routes was that Brady threw him the damn ball. And he came down with it enough to let Brady know that it isn't a wasted down. I can't remember the play, but there was another play the analyst commented that Tyms caused enough concern with the defense that he freed up the eventual ball receiver (I don't know if it was play design or it was Tyms skillset that caused the concern - but I'll take it).Stitch01 said:I'd be more excited if he ran anything but 9 routes but that was awesome
Dogman2 said:On both deep throws, he had a CB and a S with him.
RetractableRoof said:More importantly than him just running 9 routes was that Brady threw him the damn ball. And he came down with it enough to let Brady know that it isn't a wasted down. I can't remember the play, but there was another play the analyst commented that Tyms caused enough concern with the defense that he freed up the eventual ball receiver (I don't know if it was play design or it was Tyms skillset that caused the concern - but I'll take it).
I'm really looking forward to him getting more familiar with the full play tree and see him on the field in a 12 package... Gronk, Wright, Tyms and Edelman would seem to put a serious strain on the defense if Tyms is for real.
Yes, it is one game - but this is what he showed in the pre-season as well. I think he is for real, and he has a skill set that seems available (beyond suspensions) in game as well as in practice... a skill set we haven't seen on the field in a couple of years.
I'll still be (pleasantly) surprised if he plays much in the 12 this yearRetractableRoof said:More importantly than him just running 9 routes was that Brady threw him the damn ball. And he came down with it enough to let Brady know that it isn't a wasted down. I can't remember the play, but there was another play the analyst commented that Tyms caused enough concern with the defense that he freed up the eventual ball receiver (I don't know if it was play design or it was Tyms skillset that caused the concern - but I'll take it).
I'm really looking forward to him getting more familiar with the full play tree and see him on the field in a 12 package... Gronk, Wright, Tyms and Edelman would seem to put a serious strain on the defense if Tyms is for real.
Yes, it is one game - but this is what he showed in the pre-season as well. I think he is for real, and he has a skill set that seems available (beyond suspensions) in game as well as in practice... a skill set we haven't seen on the field in a couple of years.
“Tom Brady Can’t Throw Deep.”
That phrase has become conventional wisdom over the last few seasons as Brady’s statistics on deep throws have declined. In 2013, he connected on 46% of throws 11-20 yards, 22% of passes 21-30 yards, and at a 25% clip on bombs more than 31 yards downfield. But maybe the problem wasn’t Brady.
Early in the 3rd quarter in Buffalo, Tom Brady connected with Brian Tyms on perfect a 43-yard touchdown pass to stake New England to a 19-7 lead. On this 1st and 10 play the Patriot quarterback sets up under center using 12 personnel. The offense employs a tight slot formation to each side of the field, with Tyms on the outside to the left:
Stitch01 said:Oh Brady was for sure a big part of the problem. This was nice to see for one play though.
EDIT: not sure why the other thread needed to be locked, can we move the Tyms posts over here at least please? Is this the thread for all things Tyms even unrelated to this play and past week 6 now?
Laser Show said:I'm a little confused. If Tyms is so talented, why was he available this offseason? Why is he on his 4th team?
What off field stuff? I couldn't find anything negative in a Google search outside of this year's suspension for Adderall which he claims he has been taking since he was 9.Devizier said:
I'm not yet sold on Tyms, but my guess is the off-field stuff did not endear him to a lot of teams.
But it's worth mentioning that guys like Kurt Warner and James Harrison were castoffs, too.
And the suspension didn't get handed down until Pats training camp.norm from cheers said:What off field stuff? I couldn't find anything negative in a Google search outside of this year's suspension for Adderall which he claims he has been taking since he was 9.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2014/08/brian_tyms_4-game_suspension_for_testing_positive.html
Go back and read the binky thread, people were showing their love (and why) there...Laser Show said:And the suspension didn't get handed down until Pats training camp.
I mean I'm encouraged by what I've seen. Just curious why people are this excited about the guy.
I mean, again, he's going to play like 12 snaps a game. Not sure he's really the piece that makes the offense go. He got less PT than Dobson yesterday. I'm not the world's biggest LaFell guy obviously, but he's earned the starting role in the two receiver sets and they're still going to play Amendola in a bunch if there WR sets in this offense when they don't want the third guy to run deep.riboflav said:It's the combination of not only Tyms's ability but the fact that the Patriots have been in desperate search of a receiver who can stretch the field (and have failed in finding one so many times) for several years. He had three defenders minding him for chrissakes and still got a TD. Imagine what that would do for Edelman and Gronk further upfield. It's really been the one missing element for years now. Just last week, we had to listen to Dilfer throw dirt on this offense, even after their performance against Cincy, because they can't throw deep and eventually that'll be their fatal flaw.
Also, Tyms's ability (and desire) to go get the ball instead of waiting for it seems to separate him from all the other failures that come through Gillette. Honestly, I'm not sure what he has to do to make some fans believers.
Stitch01 said:I mean, again, he's going to play like 12 snaps a game. Not sure he's really the piece that makes the offense go. He got less PT than Dobson yesterday. I'm not the world's biggest LaFell guy obviously, but he's earned the starting role in the two receiver sets and they're still going to play Amendola in a bunch if there WR sets in this offense when they don't want the third guy to run deep.
Getting a second catch would be nice.riboflav said:It's the combination of not only Tyms's ability but the fact that the Patriots have been in desperate search of a receiver who can stretch the field (and have failed in finding one so many times) for several years. He had three defenders minding him for chrissakes and still got a TD. Imagine what that would do for Edelman and Gronk further upfield. It's really been the one missing element for years now. Just last week, we had to listen to Dilfer throw dirt on this offense, even after their performance against Cincy, because they can't throw deep and eventually that'll be their fatal flaw.
Also, Tyms's ability (and desire) to go get the ball instead of waiting for it seems to separate him from all the other failures that come through Gillette. Honestly, I'm not sure what he has to do to make some fans believers.
He's not young for a first year WR, but sure, possible he makes a leap next year. I wouldn't bet on him having a better career than David Givens, or probably even Aaron Dobson, but he has tools so it possible it clicks.riboflav said:Sure, but he's only had one week of practice. Maybe he only plays 10-15 snaps this season but that does't mean that's his ceiling.
Physically, he was in the top-5 for all WRs at his pro day in shuttle run, 40-yd dash, bench press reps, and vertical leap. You combine that with the fact that he can actually catch the ball, that's what we've been looking for.
As for why did other teams let him go if he's so good... I'm not sure. I know the Steelers wanted Vrabel back. I know the Jets wanted Woodhead back. Heck, even though they received a draft pick, I'm sure the Dolphins wanted Welker back. If Brady had gone to any of another 15-20 teams, no way he survives two training camps. All in all, it happens.
riboflav said:As for why did other teams let him go if he's so good... I'm not sure. I know the Steelers wanted Vrabel back. I know the Jets wanted Woodhead back. Heck, even though they received a draft pick, I'm sure the Dolphins wanted Welker back. If Brady had gone to any of another 15-20 teams, no way he survives two training camps. All in all, it happens.
He also for lack of a better word could have been a douchebag when he first got into the league. I'm sure getting cut and facing your football mortality has different effects on different people. If it got Tyms to straighten out and fly right then so be it, it's the Pats gain.Laser Show said:
All the scouting-type information is great - it's making me even more excited about him (great post RetractableRoof). But I think this is the kind of answer I was looking for. I'm just trying to understand how a player with this skill set and this perfect fit for the Pats' offense slipped through the cracks.
( . ) ( . ) and (_!_) said:He also for lack of a better word could have been a douchebag when he first got into the league. I'm sure getting cut and facing your football mortality has different effects on different people. If it got Tyms to straighten out and fly right then so be it, it's the Pats gain.
I have nothing to back this up, just speculating.
He didn't wear shoulder pads until his senior year at Dillard High in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., and spent two years at Tallahassee (Fla.) Community College, which doesn't have a football program. After a redshirt season at Florida A&M, he played about 10 snaps a game as a junior and had seven catches. He collected 38 receptions for 538 yards as a senior while still learning the nuances of the position.
"It was like bringing a baby into the world," Tyms said of his redshirt season. "The only thing I knew how to do was go deep. That was it. I could run past somebody and jump up and grab a ball. They told me to run a go and I'm like 'OK, I'm on my horse.' But anything else where I had to fit inside a coverage, slip under somebody ..."