Remember when we had a president who wasn’t a giant asshole?Obama fonted as "Former Chicago Resident" was some shit.
Eric B and Rakim tho. <Flex>
Can''t disagree but we try to avoid politics outside of V&N...Remember when we had a president who wasn’t a giant asshole?
Sorry. My fault.Can''t disagree but we try to avoid politics outside of V&N...
Kerr is like Paul Rudd - dude doesn't age.
I had no idea this Jerry Krause guy was so bad.
And I wish Stern had kept that stache from 84
Same page, just don't wanna muddy the watersSorry. My fault.
I never realized that Scottie Pippen was so underpaid. He was so good.
That s**t grinds my hears. 2nd best player in the world getting paid like #122. His agent should have been drawn and quartered.I had forgotten Pippen was so underpaid.
Where does Pippen rank in nba history? Is he top 125? He was a very good player but absolutely benefited from playing next to the GOAT.
Do you mean his greatness as a player? More like top 30 all time. Like Jordan, his defense was special.I had forgotten Pippen was so underpaid.
Where does Pippen rank in nba history? Is he top 125? He was a very good player but absolutely benefited from playing next to the GOAT.
He made the top 50 all time team in ‘96 as an active player, with a lot of ‘50s-‘60s players on it. I’d keep him on it.I had forgotten Pippen was so underpaid.
Where does Pippen rank in nba history? Is he top 75? He was a very good player but absolutely benefited from playing next to the GOAT.
He was an incredibly good defensive player.I had forgotten Pippen was so underpaid.
Where does Pippen rank in nba history? Is he top 75? He was a very good player but absolutely benefited from playing next to the GOAT.
Top fifty, easily. His two best seasons were the Jordan-less ones.I had forgotten Pippen was so underpaid.
Where does Pippen rank in nba history? Is he top 75? He was a very good player but absolutely benefited from playing next to the GOAT.
I originally posted 125 cause I’m an idiot and then remembered how good he was those seasons.Top fifty, easily. His two best seasons were the Jordan-less ones.
#3 (turned out to be Billups) plus either #6 (Mercer) or AntoineAm I remembering this wrong or was there a Pippen to Celtics trade on the table during that time that Jordan killed with a threat of retirement.
Perhaps not by 1998, but he was during the 2nd and 3rd Championships.Pippen was severely underpaid, and he was the 2nd best player on the Bulls, but he was not the 2nd best player in the world.
Yup. I remember that. Can’t imagine how dumb it would have been to make that trade for Pippen’s back 9.#3 (turned out to be Billups) plus either #6 (Mercer) or Antoine
He's 24th all-time in VORP, 45th in overall win shares, and 20th in defensive win shares, so I think somewhere in that 25-35 range is on the mark.Do you mean his greatness as a player? More like top 30 all time. Like Jordan, his defense was special.
How many games did the Bulls put away in the 4th quarter by dialing up the defensive pressure and unleashing Pippen and Jordan and picking up in the back court. They were electric together.He was an incredibly good defensive player.
Pippen was 2nd and 3rd team All-NBA during those years. He was good but he was not as good as, to name a few other candidates for #2, Olajuwon, Karl Malone, David Robinson, Barkely.Perhaps not by 1998, but he was during the 2nd and 3rd Championships.
Strongly disagreePippen was 2nd and 3rd team All-NBA during those years. He was good but he was not as good as, to name a few other candidates for #2, Olajuwon, Karl Malone, David Robinson, Barkely.
Then we strongly disagree.Strongly disagree
Pippen was harmed for inclusion on the All-NBA teams by being on the same team as #1.
It's streaming legally on ESPN+It seems like it is not possible to watch last night's episodes legally in the US at this point, is that right? I need to set my DVR for the rest of the series.
Thanks! So essentially I could rent it for $4.99 for a month of ESPN+It's streaming legally on ESPN+
You are not wrong, that works also, thanks.I don't even think you need ESPN+, but I could be wrong. This reads like you just need a TV package that includes ESPN.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29051288/espn-michael-jordan-documentary-how-watch-last-dance-episodes-1-2
If you're top 20 of all time, you must, by virtue of that, have been a top 2 player in the NBA while playing. It's hard to judge him perfectly because of Jordan, but Pippen was damn good. Of that there is no doubt. But he isn't a top 20 player of all time, in my opinion.I don't know if Pippen was the second best player in the NBA at any point of his career; you could argue maybe in the late 90s once Olajuwon, Robinson and Barkley got old. That being said, you could make the case he is a Top 20 player of All-Time pretty easily. Being the second banana on six championship teams is incredibly impressive, especially because those teams were not just champions, but completely dominant forces. The one full season they played without Michael, they were a very good team, winning 55 games and finishing second in the East during a very competitive period, and also nearly beating the Knicks in the playoffs. Hell, old Scottie almost got the 2000 Trail Blazers to the Finals.
Before Kawhi, and arguably even still, Pippen was the best perimeter defender in the history of the NBA. An ultra-versatile long athlete that could guard multiple players and just put them in a torture chamber. He was also an incredible athlete and driver on the offensive end, and an unselfish and very willing playmaker. Chuck Daly called him a "fill in the blanks" player, meaning that whatever you needed him to do, he could do it. Needed him to lock-down a hot scorer? Scottie was the best at that. Need him to bang the boards and get some rebounds? Scottie would get up and snatch those rebounds. Need him to get you a bucket late? Scottie could explode to the rim and score. Need him to facilitate? Scottie was unselfish and had no problem passing first. He was the perfect compliment to Jordan and at some point, being the greatest second banana for six championship seasons supersedes being the the best player on a title team.
I listened to the Lowe Post with Jackie Mac talking about Jordan. One thing that Zach said about Pippen was that Jordan is always quick to say that he couldn't have won all those championships and become MICHAEL JORDAN if it wasn't for Pippen, and that Jordan isn't the kind of magnanimous guy that would just say that because they were teammates, he would only give that kind of credit if he really believed it was true.
Why would that be the case?If you're top 20 of all time, you must, by virtue of that, have been a top 2 player in the NBA while playing. It's hard to judge him perfectly because of Jordan, but Pippen was damn good. Of that there is no doubt. But he isn't a top 20 player of all time, in my opinion.
I haven't seen the documentary yet, but Krause to me always got the short end of the stick. I'm not sure on him wanting to blow up the Bulls after the 98 season, but the guy was a damn good general manager. People chalk up his success as just being fortunate enough to have Jordan, but plenty of generational talents have had their championship parades canceled by being saddled with terrible supporting casts. Drafting Scottie Pippen is one of the greatest draft steals in NBA history, and he was able to consistently to get capable role players and accomplished veterans to fill out the roster. Again, having MJ makes it easier to lure those players over, but we have seen plenty of situations were just having a star player isn't enough. He also deserves credit for bringing in Phil Jackson as the head coach, who at the time was viewed as an outcast and an unconventional thinker who could never be a head coach in the NBA.This doc really wants to paint Krause as the villian (even though he was probably right that they should look for the next window, it's what we always praise Bellichick for get guys out too early rather than too late)
Not the same era, obviously, but how do people here compare Pippen to McHale on these top whatever lists? I’ve always felt that Pippen was a bit overrated due to overexposure as part of the Jordan Bulls and the questionable assumption that Jordan’s beta could have been someone else’s alpha.IMO there are several players during that time period, only some named, who were more worthy of being considered the 2nd best player in the NBA to Jordan.