Fair point. I can’t seem to change the responses but that would have been a better last one than “Other”.Can we please for the love of god have a “no one” option for these kind of polls?
updated last response to "no one"Fair point. I can’t seem to change the responses but that would have been a better last one than “Other”.
He had the same issues under Brad and he had the same issues under Udoka. I don’t think an assistant coach is going to magically change them although I’ll be thrilled to be proven wrong."No one" for me. JB's issues can be mitigated with better coaching, and better coaching can be gotten by hiring some veteran assistants for CJM.
Ditto. I really do think that Smart is not the right 3rd wheel to the Jays at this point in his respective career, and he just doesn't seem like the player they need to push the pace and consistently drain 3's. Grant will be too expensive. I would be OK with moving on from other players (Brogdon, less likely RWill) if they are packaged in with a deal that includes Smart, but they don't reach the "who do you want gone" threshold.Smart
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Smart can likely fetch a pretty decent return at least a better one than Brogdon can. White would be your starting PG and Brogdon still in his role off the bench. They need a veteran 3 and D wing and another big so that Horford doesn't have to play as big of a role going forward.
I did not vote for Brown, but given the realities of his contract situation and the CBA, I would not be surprised if Stevens at least listens to the offers from other teams. Of course, I will drive him to the airport if JB declines his supermax offer.The people wanting to ship Brown out of town are nuts IMO. You're not getting close to equal value in return for him and would seriously downgrade the talent of this team in the near future. People have to realize that at the ages that Tatum/Brown are that guys like LeBron/Steph/Klay hadn't even begun to win championships yet. I'm not saying these two are at the level of the players I mentioned, but there needs to be some perspective as to just how things work. I'm frustrated that they haven't broke through yet, but in terms of winning a title you're not going to improve on the talent levels of the two best players on this team.
You can certainly listen to offers as any good executive would do, but there are a select few players that I'd consider trading Brown for and those players will not be available. Even with the new CBA, I think signing Brown long-term makes sense. They'll be fine the next 2 years and even after that if those two are 60% of the cap I think that's better than the alternative.Ditto. I really do think that Smart is not the right 3rd wheel to the Jays at this point in his respective career, and he just doesn't seem like the player they need to push the pace and consistently drain 3's. Grant will be too expensive. I would be OK with moving on from other players (Brogdon, less likely RWill) if they are packaged in with a deal that includes Smart, but they don't reach the "who do you want gone" threshold.
I did not vote for Brown, but given the realities of his contract situation and the CBA, I would not be surprised if Stevens at least listens to the offers from other teams. Of course, I will drive him to the airport if JB declines his supermax offer.
I agree to a point -- I think continuity is undervalued. But, if the timing of the Ime situation painted them into a corner and they ended up with someone they know isn't the right guy, you have to make the move now.I’m agnostic on Mazzulla depending on what else is out there. A fourth head coach in four years seems a mistake, though.
Both of these things make sense, and I’m certainly less informed than most here on them.I agree to a point -- I think continuity is undervalued. But, if the timing of the Ime situation painted them into a corner and they ended up with someone they know isn't the right guy, you have to make the move now.
For what little it's worth, my suspicion has always been that they see something in him, and that's why the trusted him with a team that was top tier contender.
I don’t assume this either. JB is not out there facilitating for Tatum in a way others couldn’t. Optimally, which I don’t think is possible, you would like a player of Browns caliber that could relieve some of Tatum’s offensive effort and punish teams that trap and double him.I don't want anyone gone in a vacuum for no or poor return. I know that getting rid of JB would create a lot more work for Tatum next season.
I think what they saw in him was the only option that provided any continuity. It was a small window of time to replace Ime and he was next man up.I agree to a point -- I think continuity is undervalued. But, if the timing of the Ime situation painted them into a corner and they ended up with someone they know isn't the right guy, you have to make the move now.
For what little it's worth, my suspicion has always been that they see something in him, and that's why the trusted him with a team that was top tier contender.
I wanted Nurse but that’s coming from a guy that follows one team. Brad should know the options way better than I do and he is a rational dude. I don’t think the coach matters that much in most cases. I think CJM seems way out of his element. Does he strike me as a leader? No. Does he come across as very smart? No. Do puff pieces show me, oh he is actually the guy against appearances? No. Did the opposition ever looked surprised by what we did? No. Did any player surprise to the upside? No. So instead of me trying to look for bad things, I’m going to be neutral and let someone tell me what he did that was good. If Tatum doesn’t bust his ankle we might have won the game so even though I’m not enamored with the coach it’s not like we can’t win with him. This isn’t the NFL.I'm curious on who the "Joe gotta go" crowd want to replace him. Only guy I felt had a case to be clearly better already signed.
This is where I am. I don't "want" any of them gone as a knee-jerk reaction, but certainly would explore moves to improve the team. I don't know what Grant will command on the open market. His value, such as it is, is to competitors and those teams have the same cap headaches we do. I'd make the qualifying offer and see what happens. I really worry that we've seen the best we're going to out of Brogdon (and what we saw wasn't as good as I thought it would be to begin with). I would not mind getting off that contract, but we'd probably need to staple a future pick to him to do that and that seems inadvisable - as always, I suppose it depends on the return. I'm skeptical that there is a meaningful return for Smart out there, for better or for worse.Voted "no one", but the truth is it's really cap-dependent. I have a hard time thinking we'll find someone better than Grant in Grant's role for anything close to reasonable money, but his price tag (I'd expect $12-15) is going to make him uneconomical to keep on the roster. There aren't a lot of body types who can reasonably guard 1-5, so even if he's not some 7-footer prototype center, he has value as a center who can pull his opposing number out of the paint by hitting 3s, and can guard all but the biggest 5s. If we were to replace him with a bigger version of himself, someone who can help keep Al to more time at the 4, I'd take a risk on a younger, cheaper player we thought might develop. But that's a lot of "ifs", when the risks of just keeping him around aren't all that bad, luxury tax aside.
Brogdon makes a lot of money ($22.5 each of the next two seasons, guaranteed) for someone who can't really fit in our defensive scheme in the playoffs. He's a great way to soak up minutes in the regular season, or pile up points against a weaker playoff opponent, but in real crunch time, it feels like his salary slot isn't being used as best as it could be. And he's 30, it's not like we can put him on an offseason program for agility and expect he's going to suddenly develop better lateral quickness. But he's a fairly safe pair of hands who can take over starting duties for long periods of the regular season, and on a team with Marcus Smart that has more value than in many other circumstances.
"Want them gone" is a knee-jerk reaction. I was supremely frustrated with Jaylen Brown last night, but I've also seen him win games by himself and he was clearly an impact player vs peer teams (Philly and Miami), so the question is really context-dependent: how much more restricted would we be if we give him the supermax? What flexibility would we lose, and what are the plausible alternatives? I can't answer a yes or no without knowing the possibilities.
Like, Damian Lillard turns 33 in a few days and makes $46, $49, $59 and $63 the next 4 years. You could probably trade Jaylen for him, but... why would you want to? Would you want to max Siakam instead? Assets like Jaylen Brown don't grow on trees, and the ones you can buy with near-equal contracts are usually bigger stinkers than his will be. Like, would we want Tobias Harris at $39M next year? I'd much rather pay Jaylen that. Now, would I prefer Jaylen Brown over a random wheel-of-fortune spin of all-NBA players? Maybe not, but they're not available. How about all-NBA swingmen? all-star swingmen? You start talking about a handful of players in the league who can replace his role. And, like, Donovan Mitchell isn't available. Much easier, I think, to bet that Jaylen can work on some of his issues. He's already a primary scorer who's so big and strong he can credibly guard 1-5 and has no obvious weaknesses statistically. Those of us who watch him every play of every game know his weaknesses (with ball security on drives, or efficiency of shot selection, etc). But I'm left with a strong feeling that the grass isn't greener, and anyone we got to replace his role would have warts that dwarf his.
I think Brogdon and White can run the offense but the Celtics will never be able to make that switch as long as Smart is on the roster. Whether it’s Mazzula, Smart himself, his teammates, or a combination of all three, he simply won’t ever play that way. That’s why I think Smart needs to go even if you don’t get anything approaching equal value.I think JB is an excellent second banana to JT, but that doesn't mean he should fill JT's role as running the offense when JT sits.
IMO, JB should be fed the ball (by others) where he can do the most damage; he should not be running the offense, bringing the ball up, etc.
Smart and White do a pretty good job of this, but both suffer when they have to be the top dog. I think most of us thought Brunson could be this guy, and he seemed to be such for the first part of the season. But at some point, he devolved into a bit of a black hole with the ball.
Also Brad. It's hard to bench a guy who has been the biggest personality on the team for years, a lot harder when your boss is constantly talking about how he's the heart of the team and how much he loves him. If Brad isn't going to say "he's my dog, I'll do it" then Marcus is going to start and close games.I think Brogdon and White can run the offense but the Celtics will never be able to make that switch as long as Smart is on the roster. Whether it’s Mazzula, Smart himself, his teammates, or a combination of all three, he simply won’t ever play that way. That’s why I think Smart needs to go even if you don’t get anything approaching equal value.
I don't think you can make this argument unless you can name someone specific they should be targeting. If it's one of the established names out there - guess what, none of those guys have an amazing playoffs record either recently, often with almost as good if not equally talented teams. And if it's an up-and-comer, assistant type (think Sam Cassel), what makes you think that person would adapt any quicker to being a head coach than Mazzula has/hasn't?Honestly CJM has to go. Voted for him only. I get the circumstances under which he was hired but he's a complete embarrassment. This is the Celtics, they need and deserve someone better.
I do think that Jaylen proved he is a Robin and paying him Batman money makes no sense in the new CBA. Horford needs to play less but should stay. Smart and Grant could also go and I wouldn't be sad to see them exit.
Mostly the new CBA is the key guiding post to the direction of the team but for me option one is that they need a real coach.
Honestly once someone goes with "he's an embarrassment" you know they aren't approaching it from anything but emotion. He's a coach who made some good moves, made some bad moves, adjusted to criticism and moved on, he is not the bumbling idiot people made out after game 3, nor was he kicking Spoelsta's ass like people were arguing during game 6... he's just a decently mediocre NBA coach, and for a rookie I'd take that over a guy who has been mediocre for many years, or who is another assistant who would need to learn on the job, which is all you're hiring. Pop ain't leaving SA, Spo isn't leaving MIA.I don't think you can make this argument unless you can name someone specific they should be targeting. If it's one of the established names out there - guess what, none of those guys have an amazing playoffs record either recently, often with almost as good if not equally talented teams. And if it's an up-and-comer, assistant type (think Sam Cassel), what makes you think that person would adapt any quicker to being a head coach than Mazzula has/hasn't?