I never said anything related to SJH and comments regarding Zappe. SJH thinks Mac was THE reason the Pats sucked, so he wanted Mac replaced with...anyone. EVEN ZAPPE, who he said couldn't possibly be worse (even though he didn't think Zappe was any good). He literally said that 100% of the problem was Mac Jones. You have the actual quote in black and white.
Right.
I'm sure that's true (the bolded). But he's also very much on record saying that Mac Jones was 100% the problem with this offense. I literally gave you the quote. You want to say that his exact words aren't REALLY what he meant, ok. That's a difficult argument to make given everything he's said and given his words in actual black and white, but ok, you can make it.
You’re projecting your thoughts on what to he meant based on what YOU think to be true. We have his actual words.
Do they? Or do they think that the Patriots might be an average TEAM with average QB play? Not sure if that's 100% true, but the defense is very good and the QB play has been bottom of the league bad. Average QB play and the kind of defense we've played much of the year probably gets you to 3 or 4 more wins.
So do I.
Even if this is true, I am not sure what this argument is supposed to prove.
No one in this thread has defended Zappe. Some of us think there is plenty of blame to go around on offense. Others think there is only one issue for this team. I’m a student of the former school of thought and I’ll just leave it at that. Have a good night.
And I've literally given you the quotes back with him saying Zappe also sucks.
Well we just extended the maturity of your note so its going to be a while. SoSHcoin can be used in the NFT forum though.
I’ll never understand takes like this. BB gets credit for the D but skates free for putting together one of the worst offenses in recent NFL history. He drafted or acquired every single guy on the offense, and it’s a complete tire fire.
Plus who’s responsible for coaching him? The QBs stink but no one’s doing much to put them in a position to succeed either.
I get it because when a country is in shambles you don't debate the Vice President or Secretary of State, but BOB has flown under the radar for this dumpster fire and he's both OC and QB coach.
I don’t think people really grasp how bad this offense is.
I think this is a good defense but without Judon and Gonzo they are probably top 10 not a top 3 defense they would need to be regardless of who was at QB given the makeup of this offense.
Good point. But on the flip side, this offense doesn't help the defense at all. Like, at all. They don't score points. They don't move the ball. They don't have lots of possession to keep the defense rested. They continually give the opponent excellent field position, putting the defense in terrible, terrible spots. And they just keep holding up well anyway.
100% this. All this. At the end of the day this is a debate between those who believe this a blip due to singular player performance and those who believe there are philosophical, foundational problems with this team.
BB should be blamed for assembling this pile of hot vomit we call an offense. It sucks all over and has all season. Half the OL is washed. The WRs suck. The TEs can’t block. There isn’t a RB with breakaway speed. Annnnnd the QBs suck historically.
Just be careful, the next guy could be worse.
They need to invest in that position. (Or they can learn how to get away with the Lane Johnson bear hug.) Hopefully the OGs like Mafi and Sow can improve in Y2 to bring some stability to the line generally.
Yeah, I don’t get this either. He’s 28 wins from tieing Shula which looks like like 3-4 years away. He will be 72 next year, and is now 27-35 post Brady.
To salvage his sterling reputation and get the stink off from this season. He's always motivated, of course, but we saw mad Bill in '07 and it was next level. So something like that. (I'll stipulate already that was a much different team.)
First off, the SpyGate nonsense was at the start of '07. That team was already assembled and was already a Super Bowl favorite before he became "mad Bill" or whatever. He already had a loaded roster and I don't know how much different they would have played that year if Spy Gate never happened.
That sounds nice, but the market inefficiencies that existed in the league back then that allowed Moss and Welker to be acquired for nothing simply don't exist anymore. And if they do, Bill isn't on the forefront of that skill set anymore. The '06 team being amazingly talented and only needing pieces like that to bubble over the top like a high school volcano project is well documented around here.
In any professional context, failure (2-10 and counting) or embarrassment (Spygate) will yield extra motivation. I don't see how this is particularly controversial. It's a matter of personal and professional pride, which Bill has plenty of. This year has gotten away from him. I don't think it's a matter of effort or engagement but it's (hopefully) going to light a fire under him for the offseason and next year. It's not so different from the chip on their shoulder, "no one believes in us" motivation he instilled in his successful teams.
Last season wasn't exactly a rousing success. Bill was plenty motivated to win this season.
All of this.
I won't belabor this any further but this year is on a different level of failure. We thought it couldn't get worse than Judge/Patricia, boneheaded laterals, special teams gaffes, etc. and it has. Much worse.
I mean, the Jets on on their 3rd for the same reason basically that we are on our 2nd, the guy they picked early 1st in 2021 is trash.
I don’t know. Coaching matters, good coaches develop players. Look at the jobs that McVay, Ryans, and Steichen are doing now with young rosters or kind of bogus rosters.
The Jets went all-in on Rodgers with Zach as their backup plan
So the Jets offense would be this bad with Rodgers? The Giants if they had Tyrod playing since Jones went down? You don’t see how there’s a difference between having to resort to a plan B or C because of injury, and a plan A that sucked in the first place?
The Rams sold out for talent and are 6-6. I don't doubt some of these guys are talented at their jobs but the fan obsession might be overblown. If BB left and the defense stayed consistent this board would pull mental gymnastics to explain why.
I mean... the Jets probably not. The Giants... no, they would we know this because they played 6 games with Jones and 3 with Tyrod and they were WORSE than they have been with DeVito. Their plan A sucked actually worse than ours.
