Thoughts/Impressions on “The Dynasty” Apple TV Series

[rodderick]

This one from Brady is nauseating:
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Amazing that the coaches wouldn’t want Mr. Concussion Water in Mr Kraft’s F-graded weight room contradicting their strength and conditioning coaches.

That’s also the kind of blatant star treatment Bill always avoided. Can everyone else bring in their favorite PT, as well?

I don't understand this idea that eighteen years and five Super Bowls in Tom Brady had to be fine with being treated the same as a rookie UDFA. That doesn't happen in any other organization in any other facet of life. No, not everyone can bring their favorite PT in and it's fine to argue Guerrero shouldn't have that much access to the team, but while it wasn't necessary to coddle and defer to Tom, it's only natural that he resent it. Brings me back to Jimmy Johnson's line about cutting a player because he slept through a meeting and then when asked what he would do had Troy Aikman fallen asleep he said he'd nudge him in the shoulder and say "Troy, wake up". Or Bills' story about going to Parcells to talk about how Lawrence Taylor was late to a meeting and receiving "why the hell did you start the meeting before he got there?" in response. It's the NFL and guys talk, only surprise is it took Brady that long to be bothered.

 

[Ed Hillel]

I don't understand this idea that eighteen years and five Super Bowls in Tom Brady had to be fine with being treated the same as a rookie UDFA. That doesn't happen in any other organization in any other facet of life. No, not everyone can bring their favorite PT in and it's fine to argue Guerrero shouldn't have that much access to the team, but while it wasn't necessary to coddle and defer to Tom, it's only natural that he resent it. Brings me back to Jimmy Johnson's line about cutting a player because he slept through a meeting and then when asked what he would do had Troy Aikman fallen asleep he said he'd nudge him in the shoulder and say "Troy, wake up". Or Bills' story about going to Parcells to talk about how Lawrence Taylor was late to a meeting and receiving "why the hell did you start the meeting before he got there?" in response. It's the NFL and guys talk, only surprise is it took Brady that long to be bothered.

Having a guy who bucks traditional medicine in your weight room with your star QB recruiting for him to take business across the street is a bit different than sleeping once through a meeting. You just can’t have that. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was potentially a CBA liability issue, as well. Letting Brady do these methods in front of others who had to follow the training regiment in and of itself would constitute that star privilege imo. Bringing Alex in and having multiple stars start to follow him and break away from the rest of the team is a real issue.

 

[Justthetippett]

Having a guy who bucks traditional medicine in your weight room with your star QB recruiting for him to take business across the street is a bit different than sleeping once through a meeting. You just can’t have that. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was potentially a CBA liability issue, as well. Letting Brady do these methods in front of others who had to follow the training regiment in and of itself would constitute that star privilege imo. Bringing Alex in and having multiple stars start to follow him and break away from the rest of the team is a real issue.

I have to say I don't really buy this. I think you can demand full transparency and CBA compliance, etc. out of Guerrero and still find a way to make it work. The entire purpose of the training staff is to prepare guys to play, keep them healthy and, importantly, keep them confident that they are healthy. I know there's more to it, but if that means resistance bands instead of heavy squats, you cater to the players who are putting their bodies on the line and have the best idea what they need. I am sure there were better ways to handle things than BB did.

 

[kenneycb]

But Guerrero wasn't on the training staff and presumably didn't want to be on the training staff as he probably made more money outside the Patriots than inside. You're also assuming players have an idea of what they need to do to optimize themselves. Some certainly do but when you have a 53 man roster plus a practice squad plus IR guys, you can't have the players going in all different directions.

 

[Vinho Tinto]

Did Tampa limit Brady's autonomy regarding Guerrero (or anything else)? I don't recall that being the case. I thought Brady made this a cost of doing business with him at that point of his career. I don't have a problem with Bill saying no to it, but it really bit him in the ass the last four years.

 

[Van Everyman]

I’m assuming that the other side of the Guerrero story is that Bill had told Tom and Alex both that Guerrero could only work with Tom and that Team TB12 bucked that repeatedly, ultimately resulting in Bill banning Alex from the locker room and sideline.

As with everything with Bill, the reason this story seems slanted is because he doesn’t care to share his side of it (or leak it). Even if there are mitigating factors—whether it’s Guerrero, Butler, Spygate, the Trump letter—I think he thinks his job as a coach is to receive the lions share of blame when things go wrong.

Bill says again and again in this series and throughout his time with the Patriots that when things go right, all the credit goes to the players. When they don’t it’s that he and the staff needed to do a better job of coaching. And when decisions are questioned it’s a decision he made in the best interests of the team. By definition that means he’s not going to get enough credit.

Would his interviews have been different with a little more distance from the job as opposed to as current head coach? Maybe. And I understand why some may find his refusal to defend himself arrogant. But for my part, I find his inclination to let the results—9 SB and 6 rings—speak for itself pretty noble and endearing.

 

[Justthetippett]

I personally don't find his refusal to defend himself arrogant. A little inflexible, maybe, and too much commitment to maintaining the coaching facade, but mostly I just want him to make things a little easier on himself. I did find the line about him helping the team succeed "in his own way" to be endearing. He knows he has shortcomings. He also, rightly, is pretty sure he's the best football coach there is and ultimately trusts his own judgment completely.

 

[Mystic Merlin]

I don't understand this idea that eighteen years and five Super Bowls in Tom Brady had to be fine with being treated the same as a rookie UDFA. That doesn't happen in any other organization in any other facet of life. No, not everyone can bring their favorite PT in and it's fine to argue Guerrero shouldn't have that much access to the team, but while it wasn't necessary to coddle and defer to Tom, it's only natural that he resent it. Brings me back to Jimmy Johnson's line about cutting a player because he slept through a meeting and then when asked what he would do had Troy Aikman fallen asleep he said he'd nudge him in the shoulder and say "Troy, wake up". Or Bills' story about going to Parcells to talk about how Lawrence Taylor was late to a meeting and receiving "why the hell did you start the meeting before he got there?" in response. It's the NFL and guys talk, only surprise is it took Brady that long to be bothered.

I think it became an issue when Guerrero started evangelizing and treating other players in the team facility, even swooping in to contradict the training staff.

But Guerrero wasn't on the training staff and presumably didn't want to be on the training staff as he probably made more money outside the Patriots than inside. You're also assuming players have an idea of what they need to do to optimize themselves. Some certainly do but when you have a 53 man roster plus a practice squad plus IR guys, you can't have the players going in all different directions.

Right. Like any organization, you don't want to have a function giving conflicting guidance, especially if one part of the function doesn’t even work for the organization! That’s dysfunctional. If you think the training staff isn’t cutting it, you go to your guy on your personal time (which is what happened with Brady, Gronk et al) and/or you convey your concerns about the team’s training methods (unlikely to change in the short term).

I think the benefits Guerrero’s methods have afforded to TB12 have made it easier to handwave this as mere BB arrogance/inflexibility/desire for control and/or a necessary compromise, but, like, what if a player wanted to bring in their own PR person into the building? What about their own personal position coach? What if that guy is running around contradicting the OC?

 

[Hoya81]

I have to say I don't really buy this. I think you can demand full transparency and CBA compliance, etc. out of Guerrero and still find a way to make it work. The entire purpose of the training staff is to prepare guys to play, keep them healthy and, importantly, keep them confident that they are healthy. I know there's more to it, but if that means resistance bands instead of heavy squats, you cater to the players who are putting their bodies on the line and have the best idea what they need. I am sure there were better ways to handle things than BB did.

But the basic problem with Guerrero is that no one in the NFLPA/NFL medical staffs could credibly sign off on him given his lack of qualifications and history of hawking snake oil.
It’d be like getting a lawyer disbarred for misusing client funds accredited as an agent.

 

[johnmd20]

The start of episode 9 was pretty gross.

Needed a trigger warning.

 

[Jinhocho]

RKK put that hat in Tom’s locker and now has his production company runs this hit piece? Also, it wasn’t exactly a public endorsement by Bill, he wrote something in private that got out and he was forced to address it. Leave aside the politics, it’s just completely hypocritical and a bit of a low blow. Also, they won the SB that year, so it must have been quite a problem in the locker room. This entire production is an embarrassment.

Thanks for 24 years of the greatest NFL dynasty ever, Bill!

Didn't Kraft donate a million for the inauguration celebrations for Trump and also have private meetings and meals with him?

 

[brandonchristensen]

It’s annoying that there isn’t an answer to the Butler benching still.

There’s theories but nothing concrete.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Didn't Kraft donate a million for the inauguration celebrations for Trump and also have private meetings and meals with him?

Yes, yes, and yes.

 

[brandonchristensen]

It’s funny that they lose against the Eagles. Then they still win another one.

The dynasty COULD HAVE ended so many times.

 

[Tim Salmon]

If the goal was to make Kraft look good, then the series was an abject failure. I was indifferent to Kraft before the series, and now I see him as a self-important old man desperately trying to write his own epitaph.

If the goal was to make Belichick look bad, it didn't move the needle for me. It just cemented his legacy as a prickly guy whose approach led to both success and failure (with much more of the former). I do think Belichick deserves every bit of flak he got for the Trump letter, given the political climate and what supporting Trump meant to the players who had been instructed to keep their mouths shut outside the locker room.

The players are the real winners in this flawed production.

 

[brandonchristensen]

On the final episode and the chameleon Bill moment belies the narrative the documentary is TRYING to convey.

So that’s cool.

 

[brandonchristensen]

Gilmore with the pick!

It began and ended with the Rams. Fuck ya.

 

[Prodigal Sox]

Yes, yes, and yes.

Where's the player sit-downs talking about how they felt about that. Were they not asked or did the answers end up on the cutting room floor because the didn't fit the narrative arc of the doc.

 

[ColdSoxPack]

Just finished episode 9. Demoralizing. I hated every second of it.

 

[brandonchristensen]

What a lovely outtro to Tom’s Pats career.
Brady comes off terrific. And being distanced from Bill - he’s able to give him his due.

This went softer than I expected it would. Though I guess it’s not over yet.

 

[Ed Hillel]

The players are the real winners in this flawed production.

I don't think the players look very good either tbh. But my guess is they didn't intend for it to come off this way, at least this one-sided. Maybe Amendola, but I have a really hard time believing Matthew Slater was conducting interviews while BB was still his head coach to try and shaft his legacy.

 

[brandonchristensen]

Little shit on Bill at the end there.

Amendola comes off as a child with that dig. They didn’t let him go - he left.

 

[brandonchristensen]

Also 10-6 with Mac Fucking Jones is pretty outstanding.

 

[brandonchristensen]

Botox Tom doing the final speech.

 

[Mystic Merlin]

No mention in the final edit of Bill navigating the kneeling controversy, the height of the Floyd/BLM saga, and refusing the Presidential Medal of Freedom after raising his relationship with Trump and how it bothered many of the players is tough for the filmmakers to explain.

 

[johnmd20]

If the goal was to make Kraft look good, then the series was an abject failure. I was indifferent to Kraft before the series, and now I see him as a self-important old man desperately trying to write his own epitaph.

If the goal was to make Belichick look bad, it didn't move the needle for me. It just cemented his legacy as a prickly guy whose approach led to both success and failure (with much more of the former). I do think Belichick deserves every bit of flak he got for the Trump letter, given the political climate and what supporting Trump meant to the players who had been instructed to keep their mouths shut outside the locker room.

The players are the real winners in this flawed production.

Kraft looks like a doddering old fool who lucked into having Belichick as his coach and Brady as his QB for 20 years.

Interestingly, I didn't see any coverage of the massage parlor story. I guess it got cut for time. But they got the Belichick Trump letter in there. Absolutely gross.

Kraft sucks. Putin. Rupert. Donald. Quite a great group of people he hangs with.

 

[brandonchristensen]

I enjoyed it as a whole. It’s not perfect but it was amazing to be a part of.

 

[Mystic Merlin]

Kraft looks like a doddering old fool who lucked into having Belichick as his coach and Brady as his QB for 20 years.

Interestingly, I didn't see any coverage of the massage parlor story. I guess it got cut for time. But they got the Belichick Trump letter in there. Absolutely gross.

Kraft sucks. Putin. Rupert. Donald. Quite a great group of people he hangs with.

Hamacheck has been making the rounds on sports talk shows, and he argues that omitting the massage parlor story - which involved a crime - was defensible because it was a ‘personal’ matter that didn’t affect the football team. He, with a straight face, analogizes the massage parlor story to….Belichick’s divorce (huh?) and Brady/Gisele’s relationship (it kind of is covered?).

 

[tims4wins]

Hamacheck has been making the rounds on sports talk shows, and he argues that omitting the massage parlor story - which involved a crime - was defensible because it was a ‘personal’ matter that didn’t affect the football team. He, with a straight face, analogizes the massage parlor story to….Belichick’s divorce (huh?) and Brady/Gisele’s relationship (it kind of is covered?).

LOL. The Hernandez story was also personal and had nothing to do with the football team.

 

[johnmd20]

LOL. The Hernandez story was also personal and had nothing to do with the football team.

Belichick groomed Hernandez to be a serial killer, tho, and supported him murdering people. (as the doc alludes to)

So it was football adjacent.

 

[brandonchristensen]

Belichick groomed Hernandez to be a serial killer, tho, and supported him murdering people. (as the doc alludes to)

So it was football adjacent.

If Bill traded him, all of Hernandez’s victims would still be alive.

 

[johnmd20]

If Bill traded him, all of Hernandez’s victims would still be alive.

Bill should consider himself lucky he wasn't indicted as an accessory.

 

[brandonchristensen]

Bill should consider himself lucky he wasn't indicted as an accessory.

They brought him in for questioning, but he was already onto Cincinnati.

 

[NortheasternPJ]

This is my take from the last 20 years on SoSH and the "Dynasty" series:

1 - There was a huge struggle between BB, Brady and Kraft by 2016 or so, Kraft made some very poor decisions at times but generally wanted to do what was right (outside of the Spa Incident)
2 - BB was and is a historic GOAT coach who couldn't adapt in a lot of ways, which ended his time here. His 2001-2018 era will never likely be reached again. I initially had at as 2016, but the 2018 pivot from man to zone from what they said was a genius move and a ton of work
3 - Brady went full on whacko with Alex and also everything else. I've said on here, he became a complete weirdo, not Schilling or Rodgers level, but he definitely was off the norm
4 - With a little bit of partnership and leeway, BB and Brady could have made it work.
5 - BB wasn't able to adapt (back to point 2) I get why he didn't around Alex since he's a concussion water fraud and has no actual credentials, but could BB have handled it better? I'm guessing he could have but we don't have all the details.
6- Gilselle's influence over TB is very apparent and always has been. I'm not saying this is a bad thing but from the "My Husband can't throw and catch the ball" to her being in the meetings with Kraft is weird. I'm not a multimillionaire but I can't see a situation where I'd bring my wife into a meeting with me, even if it's personal.

Finally and I'll get roasted over this I'm sure, but there were a ton of SoSH posters who said the Wickersham articles were all made up, every negative article was the media against the Pats, glad Mort is Dead! type comments.

If you go through my posting history I'm sure you can find me being wrong 100 times in terms of this, but in general it seems most of the things were mostly true from Jimmy G to the end of the Dynasty.

I know it hit a nerve earlier, but BB came off awful. It was partially because of the series but he didn't help himself. I know he was still coach of the NEP at the time, but there were 20 times where he could have given a human answer but chose to be difficult. Take off the tie and jacket, put on a hoodie and be yourself. You don't have to expose any team secrets or tell us what happened with Butler, but just be normal. He can be, everyone says he's a personable, funny guy. We've seen it as recently as the Pats HOF stuff a few months ago. He chooses to be a giant prick for whatever reason, it's not "for the best interest of the team" in this case, even when he was coach. If he spoke highly of Brady in the 2016 Super Bowl instead of just acknowledging Brady and then giving credit to the rest of the org it'd be fine. A simple "Damn, we were down 28-3, Brady even helped us get there with his pick 6, but we knew with the team we had we'd get back. Tom and the offense led critical drive after critical drive. Hightower put us back in the game with a. huge strip sack and the offense capitalized on it. James White also played a big role, it was a team effort but Tom came through for us"

Instead he acts like an ass.

Kraft was 100% self serving but I don't think BB or Brady did themselves any favors either.

SoSH was so hard pressed against Deflategate and the Wickersham article, the Trump stuff people seem dug in to prove they were right on their posts from 8 years ago. I was dug in on certain points, I was wrong about a number of them, but the media was more right than wrong from everything I can tell.

 

[ColdSoxPack]

This is my take from the last 20 years on SoSH and the "Dynasty" series:

1 - There was a huge struggle between BB, Brady and Kraft by 2016 or so, Kraft made some very poor decisions at times but generally wanted to do what was right (outside of the Spa Incident)
2 - BB was and is a historic GOAT coach who couldn't adapt in a lot of ways, which ended his time here. His 2001-2018 era will never likely be reached again. I initially had at as 2016, but the 2018 pivot from man to zone from what they said was a genius move and a ton of work
3 - Brady went full on whacko with Alex and also everything else. I've said on here, he became a complete weirdo, not Schilling or Rodgers level, but he definitely was off the norm
4 - With a little bit of partnership and leeway, BB and Brady could have made it work.
5 - BB wasn't able to adapt (back to point 2) I get why he didn't around Alex since he's a concussion water fraud and has no actual credentials, but could BB have handled it better? I'm guessing he could have but we don't have all the details.
6- Gilselle's influence over TB is very apparent and always has been. I'm not saying this is a bad thing but from the "My Husband can't throw and catch the ball" to her being in the meetings with Kraft is weird. I'm not a multimillionaire but I can't see a situation where I'd bring my wife into a meeting with me, even if it's personal.

Finally and I'll get roasted over this I'm sure, but there were a ton of SoSH posters who said the Wickersham articles were all made up, every negative article was the media against the Pats, glad Mort is Dead! type comments.

If you go through my posting history I'm sure you can find me being wrong 100 times in terms of this, but in general it seems most of the things were mostly true from Jimmy G to the end of the Dynasty.

I know it hit a nerve earlier, but BB came off awful. It was partially because of the series but he didn't help himself. I know he was still coach of the NEP at the time, but there were 20 times where he could have given a human answer but chose to be difficult. Take off the tie and jacket, put on a hoodie and be yourself. You don't have to expose any team secrets or tell us what happened with Butler, but just be normal. He can be, everyone says he's a personable, funny guy. We've seen it as recently as the Pats HOF stuff a few months ago. He chooses to be a giant prick for whatever reason, it's not "for the best interest of the team" in this case, even when he was coach. If he spoke highly of Brady in the 2016 Super Bowl instead of just acknowledging Brady and then giving credit to the rest of the org it'd be fine. A simple "Damn, we were down 28-3, Brady even helped us get there with his pick 6, but we knew with the team we had we'd get back. Tom and the offense led critical drive after critical drive. Hightower put us back in the game with a. huge strip sack and the offense capitalized on it. James White also played a big role, it was a team effort but Tom came through for us"

Instead he acts like an ass.

Kraft was 100% self serving but I don't think BB or Brady did themselves any favors either.

SoSH was so hard pressed against Deflategate and the Wickersham article, the Trump stuff people seem dug in to prove they were right on their posts from 8 years ago. I was dug in on certain points, I was wrong about a number of them, but the media was more right than wrong from everything I can tell.

I am signing on to your takeaways 100%. Nothing to add here. If forced I would question if Kraft Sr. and Jr. ever saw a dentist.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

My main takeaway from this series is that Kraft has regrets: he wishes he could have become Jerry Jones, utterly in charge of everything and getting all the credit when they win. Instead he had to settle for 6 Super Bowl wins led by the GOAT QB and HC, and that gnaws at him.

I can’t believe no one told him how poorly he comes off in this thing.

 

[gtmtnbiker]

I enjoyed the series. Yeah, I wish BB and Tom didn’t fracture their relationship.

There was a scene where Brady was clearing the snow off his truck. I was surprised that it wasn’t inside a heated 6 car garage or similar.

Did people think BB did the right thing by banning Alex Guerrero from the facilities? Should he have handled the situation in a different way?

 

[Van Everyman]

No mention in the final edit of Bill navigating the kneeling controversy, the height of the Floyd/BLM saga, and refusing the Presidential Medal of Freedom after raising his relationship with Trump and how it bothered many of the players is tough for the filmmakers to explain.

I’ve never believed for a moment that a word of what Trump read was written by Bill. He maybe wrote a letter to Trump as a friend but that wasn’t it. And once Trump did, he wasn’t going to sell him out on his lie either. Which is kind of Bill in a nutshell.

 

[kenneycb]

I enjoyed the series. Yeah, I wish BB and Tom didn’t fracture their relationship.

There was a scene where Brady was clearing the snow off his truck. I was surprised that it wasn’t inside a heated 6 car garage or similar.

Did people think BB did the right thing by banning Alex Guerrero from the facilities? Should he have handled the situation in a different way?

I have no idea if it was the right or wrong thing but I understand why he did it. He’s running an organization. Brady only cares about himself (not that that’s a bad thing). Who knows if it could’ve been handler better (probably?) but Bill was justified IMO.

 

[Hoya81]

This is my take from the last 20 years on SoSH and the "Dynasty" series:

1 - There was a huge struggle between BB, Brady and Kraft by 2016 or so, Kraft made some very poor decisions at times but generally wanted to do what was right (outside of the Spa Incident)
2 - BB was and is a historic GOAT coach who couldn't adapt in a lot of ways, which ended his time here. His 2001-2018 era will never likely be reached again. I initially had at as 2016, but the 2018 pivot from man to zone from what they said was a genius move and a ton of work
3 - Brady went full on whacko with Alex and also everything else. I've said on here, he became a complete weirdo, not Schilling or Rodgers level, but he definitely was off the norm
4 - With a little bit of partnership and leeway, BB and Brady could have made it work.
5 - BB wasn't able to adapt (back to point 2) I get why he didn't around Alex since he's a concussion water fraud and has no actual credentials, but could BB have handled it better? I'm guessing he could have but we don't have all the details.
6- Gilselle's influence over TB is very apparent and always has been. I'm not saying this is a bad thing but from the "My Husband can't throw and catch the ball" to her being in the meetings with Kraft is weird. I'm not a multimillionaire but I can't see a situation where I'd bring my wife into a meeting with me, even if it's personal.

I feel in general we’ve only really scratched the surface on the whole Guerrero situation. He’d became so entangled in Brady’s life by that point it began causing serious friction that it would have been impossible for BB or Kraft to set some reasonable boundaries without it generating resentment with Tom. If the rumors that Guerrero was telling players to ignore the team medical staff are true, BB probably didn’t have a choice.

 

[kenneycb]

I’m also against the blanket shitting on Guerrero for his past misdeeds. No idea if his methods worked better than others but the guys he trained thought they did and it translated to results on the field. Yeah he probably had some stupid aspects but it’s hard to argue that Brady and Gronk and probably others suffered. Pliability is really really important for everyone.

That doesn’t mean he should get carte blanche access to the team.

 

[riboflav]

I’m also against the blanket shitting on Guerrero for his past misdeeds. No idea if his methods worked better than others but the guys he trained thought they did and it translated to results on the field. Yeah he probably had some stupid aspects but it’s hard to argue that Brady and Gronk and probably others suffered. Pliability is really really important for everyone.

That doesn’t mean he should get carte blanche access to the team.

And, this sums up why you cannot have a charlatan like Guerrero in your facility.

 

[RG33]

I actually enjoyed the last two episodes.

I was a bit surprised at how honest and direct some of the players were — DMac, Slater, Gronk, Amendola and others were all pretty openly pissed off with Belichick and on Brady’s side about pretty much everything. I loved the Amendola dig at the end “any guy from Foxboro High could tell you that you don’t get rid of Tom Brady”. I am glad to see how much tumult the Trump support created in the lockerroom — that was a massive misstep by all 3, and Slater (as usual) put it perfectly, that when the faces of the franchise make you “Team Trump”, it is really hard on everyone and super hypocritical of an organization that always preached you don’t go there on those things.

I kind of land where I think Brady landed — 20 years was a long time, it was a complicated, imperfect relationship, but it was a perfect journey. It doesn’t need to be any more or less than that.

 

[boca]

Tom got a free pass in the documentary on the Trump stuff as well.

If the players were that pissed off about being viewed as “team Trump”, and Tom was the leader in the locker room and perceived as a Trump guy, then it would have been interesting to hear his views on it if asked.

 

[Spelunker]

After skimming this thread I feel pretty good about not bothering to watch this

 

[ZMart100]

I hadn't really considered it before, but I've been thinking about what if BB had been allowed to move Brady? It's not clear if he actually would have traded him, but I imagine he would have gotten a haul rather than watching him walk for nothing. One way to tell the story is that as Kraft's meddling increased, the dynasty fell apart.

 

[Petagine in a Bottle]

We are now blaming RKK for not letting Belichick trade Brady?

 

[DJnVa]

Tom got a free pass in the documentary on the Trump stuff as well.

If the players were that pissed off about being viewed as “team Trump”, and Tom was the leader in the locker room and perceived as a Trump guy, then it would have been interesting to hear his views on it if asked.

Player after player clearly state they love Tom. If they can still love a guy that supported a different politician then I’m fine not hearing about it.

 

[DJnVa]

Finally and I'll get roasted over this I'm sure, but there were a ton of SoSH posters who said the Wickersham articles were all made up, every negative article was the media against the Pats, glad Mort is Dead! type comments.

Who said they were glad Mort died?

 

[DennyDoyle'sBoil]

After skimming this thread I feel pretty good about not bothering to watch this

Same. Some day maybe but the timing is not right.