TheShynessClinic said:No. It's prorated.
Yes sir.The Four Peters said:Also, can we stop posting Felger quotes? Take that to the Felger thread in the media forum.
Only if she sees you with another womankenneycb said:Wouldn't that be a little awkward with your mom?
Ed Hillel said:
If it's prorated, then they wouldn't have needed to create any space for Vanek, right?
FWIW, CapGeek is using the full hit: http://www.capgeek.com/bruins/
Why pay deadline prices for this, though? The deadline should be used to fill holes, not reconstruct the team. What they're doing is working and adding a bit player to it will be beneficial.j44thor said:
See that is the problem, rather than looking at the best value we were looking to fill holes from a relative position of weakness. I'm certainly not going to criticize Chia given his track record but I do think given the position in the standings and the team as constituted they could have looked at value as opposed to marginal upgrades.
ForceAtHome said:Yzerman calls the MSL trade "acceptable." Doesn't sound overly enthused.
Arthur Staple @StapeNewsday 1m
#Isles GM Garth Snow: "It wasn't a very active market... Speaking for today, this was the best deal that was tabled."
The deadline space number capgeek uses is a prorated number. They're doing the work for us.Ed Hillel said:
If it's prorated, then they wouldn't have needed to create any space for Vanek, right?
FWIW, CapGeek is using the full hit: http://www.capgeek.com/bruins/
PedroSpecialK said:
Gotta feel for the guy.
St. Louis fucked him over pretty hard here. Good on Yzerman for getting the return he could.
PedroSpecialK said:
Gotta feel for the guy.
St. Louis fucked him over pretty hard here. Good on Yzerman for getting the return he could.
veritas said:
So simplest way to look at it is that everyone has a cap number for the year, at any given time during the season, the sum of all your current players' cap numbers needs to be under the salary cap
The NHL and press corps unintentionally confuses the bejesus out of fans with the pro-rated nonsense. The team has to compute it daily, but for all intents and purposes the only way to determine if they have room for Player X is to see if they have the cap space to fit his AAV. I''ve been over this countless times and know it's correct, which probably means I'm dead wrong.veritas said:
So simplest way to look at it is that everyone has a cap number for the year, at any given time during the season, the sum of all your current players' cap numbers needs to be under the salary cap
That explains the tie.ForceAtHome said:Burke says he had agreed on terms with one team as part of a three way deal. Third team couldn't work it out though, so it fell apart at 3. Sounds like he was getting picks and eating some salary, likely for Cammalleri. Was willing to take bad contracts to get picks.
FL4WL3SS said:MTL is better, but I'm not sure how much better they actually are. Vanek is a good player, but he's actually fallen off a bit the last few seasons and is definitely a soft player. Montreal has been winning with smoke and mirrors this season - as a team, they are only +6 in goal differential. Vanek will definitely help, but I'm not any more worried about the Canadiens today than I was yesterday.
RedOctober3829 said:Haggerty on with Gresh and Zo: "Getting a Meszaros or a Tallinder was a safety valve in case they couldn't get anything done. With an aging Chara, the defense, and a core in the prime of their career (the trade deadline acquisitions) weren't good enough." Haggs still sticks to his story that something with Columbus was either done or close to being done on Tuesday. Pumps up MacDonald and Robideau("an absolute warrior").
"Lackluster and underwelming moves."
"Right now, for them to win the Cup or get back, something is going to have to happen above the norm. Players will have to play above their talent level. What they have right now isn't good enough."
"Montreal got a lot better."
allstonite said:I fucking hate those arguments. Right now the Bruins are 3 points behind Pittsburgh and have a good hold on 1st in the division. We have as good a chance as anybody in the East at least. Is MacDonald over Meszaros, a marginal improvement at best, really going to be the difference between making the ECF and not?
"It's going to take something above the norm" So winning championships is hard? No shit.
TheRealness said:
He's become like a fat munchkin Felger. I lasted 30 seconds before turning it off on my brief drive to get my lunch.
Yup! That entire thing was a travesty from start to finish. Sabres are one of the big obvious winners at the trade deadline while the Islanders are the most obvious losers.BoSoxFink said:Snow fucked this up beyond belief
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
It's the creeping Fantasy Football-ism into analysis. You're at this level, so just trade for this guy to get to this level, and profit!
Dimwitted and annoying. This all stems IMO from being upset that Vanek, a player who kills the Bruins all the time, went to Montreal, a team we all hate that matches up well against us and who we might face in the playoffs. But that's all emotion and fear and anger talking, not rational hockey analysis.
TheStoryofYourRedRightAnkle said:
Whoa
There's the old fire!Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Shut up you. This ain't no game thread.
Plus I'm now old and tired.
The Bruins watched on Tuesday as the small-ish defenseman Andrew MacDonald was taken off the board for a couple of non-first round picks, and a potential depth defenseman in Stephane Robidas went to Anaheim for a fourth-round pick. MacDonald, who went to the Flyers from the Islanders, was probably the best option in the defenseman rental market for Chiarelli and the Bruins, but the need isn’t as dire as some would lead you to believe.
Sure, the Bruins need another veteran defenseman to complement Zdeno Chara and Johnny Boychuk among their D corps, and it’s clear the Bruins are giving up more goals -- and power play goals -- since Seidenberg tore up his knee at the end of December.
But names like Andrej Meszaros, Henrik Tallinder and Nick Schultz are still out there for rentals, and the Bruins have been consistently tracking the Columbus Blue Jackets team for a reason with Jack Johnson and Nikita Nikitin both potential players of interest, along with Slovakian sniper Marian Gaborik.
The Bruins are still one of the elite teams in a wide open Eastern Conference no matter what move they make at the trade deadline, and they are in a much better position than a Penguins team that’s limping to the finish line.
It’s difficult to sometimes maintain perspective when the hockey team closest to you has their problems magnified by the local fandom, but Chiarelli has always given his Bruins teams exactly what they need headed into the playoffs.
mikeford said:A dude from a Devils podcast dropped this line today:
The Devils got more from the league today than the Islanders got for Vanek yesterday.
Great line...and true.mikeford said:A dude from a Devils podcast dropped this line today:
The Devils got more from the league today than the Islanders got for Vanek yesterday.
cshea said:These sorts of things always come out after the fact, but FWIW Neely says they had "bigger" deal agreed to in principle. It was contingent on the other team making a separate move that never happened, and everything fell apart. I know Chiarelli said yesterday he was somewhat disappointed that something on Tuesday fell through, but he said it at least laid some groundwork for potential offseason moves.
I think the B's did well yesterday, but with F&M, Haggs, etc., all up in arms and jumping off the Tobin, Neely could've just been trying to do some after the fact damage control. But coupled with Chiarelli's quotes yesterday though it may be something to keep in mind for the offseason.
I'm going to have to totally agree. Young players do not develop under him. He tends to make them self-conscious and worse. Look at what he's doing to Gelinas' confidence right now. Look at what happened to Reid Boucher's game after having DeBoer on him. DeBoer just doesn't know how to build up a young player. His coaching tends to break them down and not only do they not improve their shortcomings, they tend to lose their strengths. I thought that Loktionov was improving and the kid has skills. I'm going to miss him and I think the Devils are going to miss him as well. Ruutu is not the answer to any question the Devils have. A slow team just got a heckuva lot slower.mikeford said:DeBoer effectively ruins the career of any young player he touches
cshea said:To follow up on Neely's comments from earlier, Chiarelli was on the pre-game show tonight and basically confirmed what Neely said. "We were in on a defensemen with term, and a no-trade and he would've waived for us." Chiarelli also said he wasn't in on any of the "big guys" which I took to be Vanek, Gaborik, St. Louis and the group of forwards.
My guess is either Christian Ehrhoff or maybe Mark Giordano. Giordano seems more likely, perhaps the B's deal was contingent on a Cammalleri trade. Interesting.
both he and Neely also said this is something that they laid groundwork for and could revisit in the futurecshea said:To follow up on Neely's comments from earlier, Chiarelli was on the pre-game show tonight and basically confirmed what Neely said. "We were in on a defensemen with term, and a no-trade and he would've waived for us." Chiarelli also said he wasn't in on any of the "big guys" which I took to be Vanek, Gaborik, St. Louis and the group of forwards.
My guess is either Christian Ehrhoff or maybe Mark Giordano. Giordano seems more likely, perhaps the B's deal was contingent on a Cammalleri trade. Interesting.
Greg29fan said:
Michael Augello @MikeInBuffalo 1h
@TSNBobMcKenzie says that the #leafs & #wild had offers for Vanek significantly better than the MTL's, but NYI would not retain any salary.
The Canucks would have received an NHL center in Sutter in return for Kesler. But Sutter is best suited for a third-line role. It’s likely Vancouver would have asked the Bruins for either AHLers Ryan Spooner or Alexander Khokhlachev, both more offensive-minded than Sutter.
Vancouver would have also needed a defensive replacement for Edler. The top candidate would have been Matt Bartkowski.
You left out the worst (best) example: Adam LarssonPumpsie said:I'm going to have to totally agree. Young players do not develop under him. He tends to make them self-conscious and worse. Look at what he's doing to Gelinas' confidence right now. Look at what happened to Reid Boucher's game after having DeBoer on him. DeBoer just doesn't know how to build up a young player. His coaching tends to break them down and not only do they not improve their shortcomings, they tend to lose their strengths. I thought that Loktionov was improving and the kid has skills. I'm going to miss him and I think the Devils are going to miss him as well. Ruutu is not the answer to any question the Devils have. A slow team just got a heckuva lot slower.
Larsson was who I thought of.mikeford said:You left out the worst (best) example: Adam Larsson